Biggest Loss From Our SB Roster

[Jokerraven]

for some reason I still believe boldin was not as big of a loss and ravens fans think, maybe I'm crazy. But I agree with the center remark, I never believed center was a huge concern, but man the difference after Bork left was mind boggling

he was one of my favorite players even when he was with Arizona so I may not be objective about him I hate watching him in red and gold, but your correct if Pitta had not got injured Boldin wouldn't have been a big loss . Birk was devastating and we didn't do Gino any favors either this year.

[Tru11]

Brown was a draft pick. He had nothing to do with Boldin being released or paid. We got Huff, and Spears, and Dumervil for the Boldin money. Yeah, great pick ups those. Spears and Huff were a waste of time and money. Dumervil was a great pick up but I think we could have kept Boldin and still work out Doom.

 

 I have been watching the 49ers/Panthers game and Boldin sure looks good. Not that the Ravens needed a feisty receiver that could fight for the ball and get TDs.Things like that lead to victories and post season play. Nasty stuff. 

 

Water under the bridge.Just sucks seeing Q help that idiot Kapernick win. I hate that egotistical turd.

 

 

marlon brown was not drafted lol.

 

And he would not play if boldin was here.

 

theTDs he scored would have been boldin TDs at best.

 

some fans think that the TDs Boldin scored in san Frans  would have been added to the TDs we scored this season.

thats not correct.

[1/28/01]

Boldin. No question. Look what he continues to do. Hated the decision then and hate it now!

[wayne]

No, a lot of you guys on here was talking about how Boldin under achieved while he was here and the play of our QB made Boldin more so than Boldin play making a great impact to help out the QB as well as the team. You guys said Doss along with a few others should be able to produce Boldin numbers, maybe even more.

 

Seriously, in hindsight, he was the perfect ingredient to the Air Coyell scheme with two blazers and a possession guy to work the middle that still can beat you deep and can go up and get the ball. He was a TE in a WR body so with him and Pita working the middle and Jacoby and Smith taking the top off the defense..... what more can you ask for for balance.

[ccflraven]

Boldin,Boldin,Boldin did i mention Boldin was are biggest loss.

[busterblue52]

Ray Lewis. If I have to say anything more then just wow.

[Gordo52]

I said Boldin.

He wouldn't have the #'s he has in San Fran but he would still be our best WR. His blocking, leadership and physicality was missed. Joe needed a go to guy and they're chemistry steadily improved year after year it seemed.

[rondubs]

id have to say there are too many guys that could have been the biggest loss. bolden was obviously the guy that hurt the OF the most. i think thats where the front office failed us this season. they let go the guy that demanded the most respect in the passing game and somehow thought Pitta was the answer. Pitta can catch and has good chemistry wih Joe but i dont know what our Ravens fans and brass were (and are) thinking when they thought Pitta could replace Bolden. Bolden is a probowl caliber player with an excellent resume. It was a mistake to believe that you can replace him with a guy who basically benefited mostly from Bolden's presence. Just remember a year before that Ed Dickson looked fair and had numbers close to Pitta's last season yet for some reason Pitta because the nee hot guy on the Ravens. this guy is just another complimentory piece. i have no clue why you would spend a Franchise Tag on a player that most likely will never reach a probowl (especially without a Bolden like player to help him out). it was also some of the GAINS versus LOSSES that hurt just as much. harbaugh hurt his team by bringing along Castillo and now keeping him on the staff. if its not broken then dont fix it. also, if you want to TWEAK it, dint bring in someone that changes the scheme. he really should have just coached the linemen to improve technique. the scheme COST THE RAVENS 3-5 wins or more. If we had the run game if a year ago, we would have been 10-6 or better. so GAINING Castillo hurt us alot and will also next season if he isnt removed. while at it please remove Jim Caldwell too. He im sure is more of a fit as a head coach then as a coordinator.! or maybe a Qb coach. Just take him out the OC role if where gonna have a chance next year. lastly, why in the world did the Ravens pass on bring WR Josh Gorden to us in exchange for a 2nd round pick this year (before last years trade deadline)?? if the Ravens make that move, you have Josh and Torrey on thr same team. so hell youd have another guy becoming the Dennis Pitta because he would get single coverage all the time. come on Ozzie. thats on you. we missed a huge opportunity not trading to get Josh Gordon (browns). He was a top receiver this year. Hell if you look at our draft picks lately in the second round, hell we wouldnt have lost anything. IL Brown was none existent last year, DL Cody never panned out. LB Sergio Kindle was a bust. who else??? you mean to tell me you dont take a 1st round talent for a 2nd round pick?? oh, and jus imagine if we kept Ed Reed and paired him with S Elam? im sure Elam would have learned his role much faster havinh Ed along. Ed had 3 interceptions last year in just a few games with NY Jets. people thought he was a old washed up guy but again he was a player that lost his playmaking based on a SCHEME that the Texans was using. SCHEME (...Castillo hint hint)...I hope harbs is watching because players do need COACHES. and bad coaches make for bad players (at least statistically). come on harbs because there is no excuse to lose 2 years in a row. if we dont make it this year blame the coaches and the Ravens brass. we still have a good team. were not talking the Browns here where talking about the Ravens roster. we still have probowlers and proven players at many positons on offense and defense. lets go!!

[TSizzle00]

14 votes for Ray Lewis? wow some people really do not watch the games! Some of those votes should of been stuffed into Pitta.

[TSizzle00]

No, a lot of you guys on here was talking about how Boldin under achieved while he was here and the play of our QB made Boldin more so than Boldin play making a great impact to help out the QB as well as the team. You guys said Doss along with a few others should be able to produce Boldin numbers, maybe even more.

 

Seriously, in hindsight, he was the perfect ingredient to the Air Coyell scheme with two blazers and a possession guy to work the middle that still can beat you deep and can go up and get the ball. He was a TE in a WR body so with him and Pita working the middle and Jacoby and Smith taking the top off the defense..... what more can you ask for for balance.

 

Marlon Brown and Pitta would have easily made up his numbers. Marlon matched his TDs by himself. Doss shouldn't even be on the team in my opinion.

[TonyTone1192]

Boldin. No question. Look what he continues to do. Hated the decision then and hate it now!

 

Out of everyone that was traded or let go he did hurt more than any of them. 

 

But if we had a healthy Pitta all season, do you think that Boldin wouldn't have been missed as much?

[TonyTone1192]

14 votes for Ray Lewis? wow some people really do not watch the games! Some of those votes should of been stuffed into Pitta.

 

Pitta would've been my second option. I'm convinced that we let Boldin go knowing that Pitta would've stepped up this past season and Joe's go to guy and a premiere TE in the league. When I heard that he was out for the season, or most of it, I almost cried. lol

 

But Lewis wasn't picked based off of production, but solely on the field leadership. Which is something that we lacked just as much as a balanced run game and a decent o-line.

[HoldingCall]

marlon brown was not drafted lol.

 

And he would not play if boldin was here.

 

theTDs he scored would have been boldin TDs at best.

 

some fans think that the TDs Boldin scored in san Frans  would have been added to the TDs we scored this season.

thats not correct.

It's wrong to assume Marlon would not have played. I see no biases for that statement. The team probably wouldn't have brought in Stokley with Boldin on the roster. Doss would probably be another casualty.  

[TonyTone1192]

id have to say there are too many guys that could have been the biggest loss. bolden was obviously the guy that hurt the OF the most. i think thats where the front office failed us this season. they let go the guy that demanded the most respect in the passing game and somehow thought Pitta was the answer. Pitta can catch and has good chemistry wih Joe but i dont know what our Ravens fans and brass were (and are) thinking when they thought Pitta could replace Bolden. Bolden is a probowl caliber player with an excellent resume. It was a mistake to believe that you can replace him with a guy who basically benefited mostly from Bolden's presence. Just remember a year before that Ed Dickson looked fair and had numbers close to Pitta's last season yet for some reason Pitta because the nee hot guy on the Ravens. this guy is just another complimentory piece. i have no clue why you would spend a Franchise Tag on a player that most likely will never reach a probowl (especially without a Bolden like player to help him out). it was also some of the GAINS versus LOSSES that hurt just as much. harbaugh hurt his team by bringing along Castillo and now keeping him on the staff. if its not broken then dont fix it. also, if you want to TWEAK it, dint bring in someone that changes the scheme. he really should have just coached the linemen to improve technique. the scheme COST THE RAVENS 3-5 wins or more. If we had the run game if a year ago, we would have been 10-6 or better. so GAINING Castillo hurt us alot and will also next season if he isnt removed. while at it please remove Jim Caldwell too. He im sure is more of a fit as a head coach then as a coordinator.! or maybe a Qb coach. Just take him out the OC role if where gonna have a chance next year. lastly, why in the world did the Ravens pass on bring WR Josh Gorden to us in exchange for a 2nd round pick this year (before last years trade deadline)?? if the Ravens make that move, you have Josh and Torrey on thr same team. so hell youd have another guy becoming the Dennis Pitta because he would get single coverage all the time. come on Ozzie. thats on you. we missed a huge opportunity not trading to get Josh Gordon (browns). He was a top receiver this year. Hell if you look at our draft picks lately in the second round, hell we wouldnt have lost anything. IL Brown was none existent last year, DL Cody never panned out. LB Sergio Kindle was a bust. who else??? you mean to tell me you dont take a 1st round talent for a 2nd round pick?? oh, and jus imagine if we kept Ed Reed and paired him with S Elam? im sure Elam would have learned his role much faster havinh Ed along. Ed had 3 interceptions last year in just a few games with NY Jets. people thought he was a old washed up guy but again he was a player that lost his playmaking based on a SCHEME that the Texans was using. SCHEME (...Castillo hint hint)...I hope harbs is watching because players do need COACHES. and bad coaches make for bad players (at least statistically). come on harbs because there is no excuse to lose 2 years in a row. if we dont make it this year blame the coaches and the Ravens brass. we still have a good team. were not talking the Browns here where talking about the Ravens roster. we still have probowlers and proven players at many positons on offense and defense. lets go!!

 

This upcoming season would've been Pitta's 4th year in the league, so after 3 seasons you can tell that he would never have been a pro-bowl caliber player? His numbers, as well as his chemistry w/ Flacco grew in each of his first three seasons. Boldin was a big play maker, yes! But, he NEVER got open and it took Joe a while to trust Boldin and give him a chance to make a play.

 

Honestly, Pitta helped Boldin. Pitta is a better route runner and quicker than Boldin. He is too quick to be defended by a TE and too big to be defended by a Safety. Therefore, Pitta was constantly double teamed while Smith had help over the top and Boldin was single covered. IMHO Pitta is the 3rd best TE in the game behind Graham and a healthy Gronk. We were okay with letting Boldin go because we felt that Pitta would've had his breakout season. 

 

I guess we'll just have to wait another year for that

[TonyTone1192]

I said Boldin.

He wouldn't have the #'s he has in San Fran but he would still be our best WR. His blocking, leadership and physicality was missed. Joe needed a go to guy and they're chemistry steadily improved year after year it seemed.

 

Their chemistry did grow, but so was Joe and Dennis'. I felt that Pitta was primed for a breakout year

[Tru11]

It's wrong to assume Marlon would not have played. I see no biases for that statement. The team probably wouldn't have brought in Stokley with Boldin on the roster. Doss would probably be another casualty.  

 

you can only use 11 players.

 

who would you think they would take out?

 

jacoby stokley and torrey where our 3 WR sets.

after stokley and jacoby got injured brown saw more snaps.

with boldin it would be jacoby boldin and torrey.

boldin and torrey would be starters.

 

sure brown would see some snaps but not as much as he has seen this season.

he got most snaps in absence of boldin and stokley and jacoby being injured.

if they where all healthy i doubt he would see the same amount of snaps he did this season.

[TonyTone1192]

No, a lot of you guys on here was talking about how Boldin under achieved while he was here and the play of our QB made Boldin more so than Boldin play making a great impact to help out the QB as well as the team. You guys said Doss along with a few others should be able to produce Boldin numbers, maybe even more.

 

Seriously, in hindsight, he was the perfect ingredient to the Air Coyell scheme with two blazers and a possession guy to work the middle that still can beat you deep and can go up and get the ball. He was a TE in a WR body so with him and Pita working the middle and Jacoby and Smith taking the top off the defense..... what more can you ask for for balance.

 

I know that we didn't expect Brown to have the season that he did, and we surely didn't expect Pitta to be out for 14 games. Besides physicality and veteran leadership, Brown was a solid replacement. Imagine having Pitta all season long, he would've demanded more attention then our TE's got(which is understood) which would've opened up so much more on the outside for Brown and Smith.

 

Did we miss Boldin? OF COURSE! But I don't see him as our biggest loss from the SB roster.

[TonyTone1192]

you can only use 11 players.

 

who would you think they would take out?

 

jacoby stokley and torrey where our 3 WR sets.

after stokley and jacoby got injured brown saw more snaps.

with boldin it would be jacoby boldin and torrey.

boldin and torrey would be starters.

 

sure brown would see some snaps but not as much as he has seen this season.

he got most snaps in absence of boldin and stokley and jacoby being injured.

if they where all healthy i doubt he would see the same amount of snaps he did this season.

 

Stokley would've never been added if we kept Boldin and Doss would've been playing somewhere else. 

 

I believe that if Brown played well in practice then he and Jones would've split reps on offense.

[HoldingCall]

you can only use 11 players.

 

who would you think they would take out?

 

jacoby stokley and torrey where our 3 WR sets.

after stokley and jacoby got injured brown saw more snaps.

with boldin it would be jacoby boldin and torrey.

boldin and torrey would be starters.

 

sure brown would see some snaps but not as much as he has seen this season.

he got most snaps in absence of boldin and stokley and jacoby being injured.

if they where all healthy i doubt he would see the same amount of snaps he did this season.

Simple, Stokley would not have been here and Jacoby was hurt. Torrey, Boldin and Marlon! When Jacoby returned both would have seen the field.

[Tru11]

Stokley would've never been added if we kept Boldin and Doss would've been playing somewhere else. 

 

I believe that if Brown played well in practice then he and Jones would've split reps on offense.

 

its possible for sure but my point is that the stats brown put up this season would not have happend if boldin was still around.

 

the ravens dont use alot of 3 wrs  and 4 wrs sets.

 

it was tnx to boldin being trade and jacoby stokley and pitta being injured that marlon got his shot .

 

having boldin and marlon stats on the same team is wishfull thinking lol.

[Gordo52]

Their chemistry did grow, but so was Joe and Dennis'. I felt that Pitta was primed for a breakout year

Same. Q just brought a lot more to the table IMO.

[Tru11]

Simple, Stokley would not have been here and Jacoby was hurt. Torrey, Boldin and Marlon! When Jacoby returned both would have seen the field.

 

to bad real life is not that simple......

 

brown played alot from the slot in 3 WR sets.

 

guess where boldin or pitta lines up .........

[Claire]

I think we can agree that of the Ravens who left the team last season and continued to play the game, Boldin has experienced the most success.  He's had a great season and is havng a wonderful playoff season thus far.  Funny, he is going to his 3rd conference championship game in a row with a Harbaugh.

 

To me he's forever a Raven, he plays like a Raven.  Always one of Oz's best acquisitions.

[admartian]

For me it's:

 

1a and 1b. Q and Pita: Losing Q alone, was bad. But we got to find Marlon in the end and JJ did ok when he was healthy. But losing both for the majority of the season meant we possibly dropped 2-4 close games where they may have been the difference.

 

2. Birk: Gradkowski was a sieve. Worse off than when we were whining about Birk getting run over by Wilfork etc.

 

3. Ray Lew: Not really for his play, but his leadership (on D). I feel part of the reason our D wasn't as clutch was because there was no Ray Ray to set a leading example - that intangible.

 

In terms of paly, I thought Darryl Smith outplayed Ray (comparing 12 to the 13 season).

[The Raven]

Are you guys even watching the 49er's game?  The biggest lost is Boldin.  Who is responsible for letting him go?  SMH 

 

Boldin played on the oline?

[wayne]

Marlon Brown and Pitta would have easily made up his numbers. Marlon matched his TDs by himself. Doss shouldn't even be on the team in my opinion.

It's not just about making his numbers up though, it's obviously deeper than that. I hope I don't have to go into detail to explain it but I will.

[wayne]

Boldin played on the oline?

A lot of those sacks Joe took were coverage sacks also due to either people not getting open or him missing his guys when the window presents its self. Don't make it out like the O-line was just getting whooped every time man on man from the jump. No..... alot of sacks also resulted in coverage sacks, Joe holding on to the ball too long / poor pocket presence or overload blitzes which I would say the QB factors in on that also b/c he has to make the right offensive line adjustments. Looking at Manning, he's the king of making offensive line adjustments and like I said b4, that's why you rarely ever see overload blitzes work on him. Again, the O-line looked more bad for the run game rather than the pass game.

[The Raven]

A lot of those sacks Joe took were coverage sacks also due to either people not getting open or him missing his guys when the window presents its self. Don't make it out like the O-line was just getting whooped every time man on man from the jump. No..... alot of sacks also resulted in coverage sacks, Joe holding on to the ball too long / poor pocket presence or overload blitzes which I would say the QB factors in on that also b/c he has to make the right offensive line adjustments. Looking at Manning, he's the king of making offensive line adjustments and like I said b4, that's why you rarely ever see overload blitzes work on him. Again, the O-line looked more bad for the run game rather than the pass game.

 

That's a fair point, but if the run game works, the passing game gets opened up more. 

[jimmypowder]

Even Harbaugh at the end of the season said we had no replacement for Anquan . Nothing like treating a guy who was a huge factor in us winning the Super Bowl and asking him to take a pay cut ! Let's say you just landed the biggest contract for your company that they ever had and they ask you in a few months to take a pay cut because we need some more employees in finance ? Laughably bad and Bisciotti knows it .

[wayne]

That's a fair point, but if the run game works, the passing game gets opened up more. 

..... and vice versa..........