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The Savior vs. Multiple Wide Receivers

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I watched the state of the ravens yesterday and I heard Ozzie mention a certain type of player the team is looking for at WR. He basically said by the time the 2014 season starts, he will have his "guy." Now I was as excited as most when I heard this but then I got to thinking.... Instead of us finding our "guy", why can't we go out and find our "guys?"

I mean, every time we go searching for help at receiver (or help on offense in general), we always look for that one guy, then we ignore the WR position for the next few years, in hopes of this "one" guy being the savior. Meanwhile, on defense we bring in 2 or 3 players for each position of need to try to improve those positions.

Well we need to do what we did in 2005, when we signed a free agent receiver (Derrick Mason), and drafted one as well (Mark Clayton). That's almost ten years since we made any kind of serious effort to bring in high level guys at wideout. Even before 2005, we always depended on the savior. Remember Travis Taylor anyone? Once we drafted Taylor in 2000, we didn't really try to bring in any top level receiver until 05.

We need to sign multiple free agent WRs, or draft 2 or 3 guys in the draft, two of them being high draft picks (1st, 2nd, or 3rd rounders), or a mixture of both.

Whatever the case may be, we need to bring in at least 3 highly talented guys that could compete for the second receiver spot. I'm not saying we should break the bank for receivers, but teams like the Packers, Saints, Giants, Eagles, 49ers, Seahawks, Broncos, etc.... those teams bring in multiple guys each year to compete for a roster spot and we need to do the same.

And no... 6th or 7th rounders, UDFAs, waiver and practice squad guys don't count. That's the Ravens way of doing things. We need to switch things up and start making an assertive effort to CONSTANTLY bring in talented WRs. Not just this off-season, but moving forward as well. The front office set Joe up for failure by trading Boldin, now it's time to make it up to him by finding him multiple guys to throw to. Ozzie said it himself at the presser, "finding a good wide receiver is hit or miss".

Basically Ozzie was saying that it's a 50/50 chance a WR will come in and fit our (or any team) system (or in a rookie's case play well in the NFL, like he did in college). Well, if that's the case, then bringing in multiple guys would be the smart thing to do IMO. I mean why bring in one guy in hopes of him being the savior, if it's either hit or miss? We've done this for the last 7 years. We put the weight of the world on "one" guy shoulders, and hoped and prayed that he can turn around our always struggling offense.

 

What ends up happening is....

We scrutinize every single mistake our so called savior makes and he ends up being the scapegoat for why our O still sucks. But if we bring in 3 or more guys, we put ourselves in position to have a guy most likely hit, rather than miss because the more guys we bring in, the higher the chance someone steps up to be that guy. Look at what happened with Pitta and Dickson. We didn't have to put all the pressure on one guy to replace Heap. We brought in 2 guys that was competing against each other to replace him. We didn't have to worry about our one guy not stepping up because we had two guys competing and we knew that one of them would rise to the occasion.

You can use Gino for comparison on the opposite end of the speculum. Instead of bringing in another high talented guy to push Gino at center, we stuck with Gino and hoped that he could replace Birk and look how that worked out.

Anyway, I truly hope the front office recognize that bringing in "one" guy at WR is not going to be the answer for us (it hasn't worked in the last 7 years). Since WRs are so hit or miss, we need to bring in multiple guys, so Joe and hopefully the new offensive coordinator can have some weapons to work with on offense. And let's stick to talented guys with upside this time too, instead of low level receivers who is already at their ceiling when we sign them.

 

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I watched the state of the ravens yesterday and I heard Ozzie mention a certain type of player the team is looking for at WR. He basically said by the time the 2014 season starts, he will have his "guy." Now I was as excited as most when I heard this but then I got to thinking.... Instead of us finding our "guy", why can't we go out and find our "guys?"

I mean, every time we go searching for help at receiver (or help on offense in general), we always look for that one guy, then we ignore the WR position for the next few years, in hopes of this "one" guy being the savior. Meanwhile, on defense we bring in 2 or 3 players for each position of need to try to improve those positions.

Well we need to do what we did in 2005, when we signed a free agent receiver (Derrick Mason), and drafted one as well (Mark Clayton). That's almost ten years since we made any kind of serious effort to bring in high level guys at wideout. Even before 2005, we always depended on the savior. Remember Travis Taylor anyone? Once we drafted Taylor in 2000, we didn't really try to bring in any top level receiver until 05.

We need to sign multiple free agent WRs, or draft 2 or 3 guys in the draft, two of them being high draft picks (1st, 2nd, or 3rd rounders), or a mixture of both.

Whatever the case may be, we need to bring in at least 3 highly talented guys that could compete for the second receiver spot. I'm not saying we should break the bank for receivers, but teams like the Packers, Saints, Giants, Eagles, 49ers, Seahawks, Broncos, etc.... those teams bring in multiple guys each year to compete for a roster spot and we need to do the same.

And no... 6th or 7th rounders, UDFAs, waiver and practice squad guys don't count. That's the Ravens way of doing things. We need to switch things up and start making an assertive effort to CONSTANTLY bring in talented WRs. Not just this off-season, but moving forward as well. The front office set Joe up for failure by trading Boldin, now it's time to make it up to him by finding him multiple guys to throw to. Ozzie said it himself at the presser, "finding a good wide receiver is hit or miss".

Basically Ozzie was saying that it's a 50/50 chance a WR will come in and fit our (or any team) system (or in a rookie's case play well in the NFL, like he did in college). Well, if that's the case, then bringing in multiple guys would be the smart thing to do IMO. I mean why bring in one guy in hopes of him being the savior, if it's either hit or miss? We've done this for the last 7 years. We put the weight of the world on "one" guy shoulders, and hoped and prayed that he can turn around our always struggling offense.

 

What ends up happening is....

We scrutinize every single mistake our so called savior makes and he ends up being the scapegoat for why our O still sucks. But if we bring in 3 or more guys, we put ourselves in position to have a guy most likely hit, rather than miss because the more guys we bring in, the higher the chance someone steps up to be that guy. Look at what happened with Pitta and Dickson. We didn't have to put all the pressure on one guy to replace Heap. We brought in 2 guys that was competing against each other to replace him. We didn't have to worry about our one guy not stepping up because we had two guys competing and we knew that one of them would rise to the occasion.

You can use Gino for comparison on the opposite end of the speculum. Instead of bringing in another high talented guy to push Gino at center, we stuck with Gino and hoped that he could replace Birk and look how that worked out.

Anyway, I truly hope the front office recognize that bringing in "one" guy at WR is not going to be the answer for us (it hasn't worked in the last 7 years). Since WRs are so hit or miss, we need to bring in multiple guys, so Joe and hopefully the new offensive coordinator can have some weapons to work with on offense. And let's stick to talented guys with upside this time too, instead of low level receivers who is already at their ceiling when we sign them.

 

I agree with everything you have said , we don't need developmental wide outs. I get that it can be a crap shot . but 20 and only one has a 1000 yard season that's not good. why draft someone who can't run routes, doesn't have a full route tree, lots of drops, can't box out defenders. ...don't we have enough of those already.

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I feel your pain no late round WR(we got lucky with brown)I hope we draft Ebron in the first and get a WR in the second a center in the 3rd or 4th and I am good
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If somehow Mike Evans falls in our 18th pick, it would be ecstatic..........

 

I wish I wish.......can't wait for the draft....

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If somehow Mike Evans falls in our 18th pick, it would be ecstatic..........

 

I wish I wish.......can't wait for the draft....

my fear is this Evans is there and so is Clinton dix ,,,,,,,,,or a pass rusher he likes. will he still take evans

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I will reiterate my opinion... I don't believe that Mike Evans is around at 17 (unless we trade up)...  Only because you look at the teams making picks prior to us....  Teams that NEED WR's BAD.... Cardinals... Fitz is getting older, Houston or NY Jets,   Cleveland, Jacksonville, Oakland, even the Steelers...  To get Mike Evans we will need to trade up.  He's at least Top 10.

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The thing is if you're talking about multiple receivers, it gets hard to get all these guys on the field at the same time. You have Torrey, Marlon, Pitta, New WR A, and New WR B. That's a five wide set right there.

 

So the question becomes, would you rather add one guy who can take over a game and earn that starting job? Or add multiple guys who become role players in various situations?

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I'm going to say the team needs to go all in this draft.  There are enough pieces here now to build around.  You fill in some holes here by trading up, or trading back into the first to get solid players you want, not just guys who fall to you and build.  It might sound stupid, but the team is good, minus a few positions.  If Ozzie is willing to give up next years 1st and second to get the guys we need now I feel this team will be better in the long and short term. 

 

I don't think we go into the season without adding at least 2 receivers or a wr and a te before camp starts.  And the team should stop with this power in numbers game.  Go get the guy who will get the job done and keep them on the field unless you're mixing it up with 2 TEs.

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We may even be surprised at who is still around next year...  I mean, do we dump Doss and some others to keep Jones???  So you have your two outside speedsters too...  This offseason could get REALLY REALLY interesting...  yeah, you are exactly right...  who can be on the field at one time??? 

 

The thing is if you're talking about multiple receivers, it gets hard to get all these guys on the field at the same time. You have Torrey, Marlon, Pitta, New WR A, and New WR B. That's a five wide set right there.

 

So the question becomes, would you rather add one guy who can take over a game and earn that starting job? Or add multiple guys who become role players in various situations?

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I will reiterate my opinion... I don't believe that Mike Evans is around at 17 (unless we trade up)... Only because you look at the teams making picks prior to us.... Teams that NEED WR's BAD.... Cardinals... Fitz is getting older, Houston or NY Jets, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Oakland, even the Steelers... To get Mike Evans we will need to trade up. He's at least Top 10.


Evans has top ten talent, but between the QBs, LT, pass rushers and other WR who are just as talented and in as high demand, a lot of guys, including Evans, could fall to us in the middle of the first. He has some question marks, I don't think he is a lock to go in the top 20, much less top ten.

That said, Evans is my "dream scenario". Really hope we land him.
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I'm going to say the team needs to go all in this draft.  There are enough pieces here now to build around.  You fill in some holes here by trading up, or trading back into the first to get solid players you want, not just guys who fall to you and build.  It might sound stupid, but the team is good, minus a few positions.  If Ozzie is willing to give up next years 1st and second to get the guys we need now I feel this team will be better in the long and short term. 

 

I don't think we go into the season without adding at least 2 receivers or a wr and a te before camp starts.  And the team should stop with this power in numbers game.  Go get the guy who will get the job done and keep them on the field unless you're mixing it up with 2 TEs.

So true...  but don't forget...  We got Furstenburg sitting back there learning.  I didn't understand why we didn't use him when Pitta was out...  I just think that guy has sooooo much potential.  He remninds me so much of Todd Heap sometimes... 

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Evans has top ten talent, but between the QBs, LT, pass rushers and other WR who are just as talented and in as high demand, a lot of guys, including Evans, could fall to us in the middle of the first. He has some question marks, I don't think he is a lock to go in the top 20, much less top ten.

That said, Evans is my "dream scenario". Really hope we land him.

That and they're gonna be looking at Linemen Fiy.  Which we need WAY MORE!

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my fear is this Evans is there and so is Clinton dix ,,,,,,,,,or a pass rusher he likes. will he still take evans

I'm hoping the Ravens don't draft Evans at all or Clinton Dix atleast in the first round but if it happens well I won't question Ozzie

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I'm hoping the Ravens don't draft Evans at all or Clinton Dix atleast in the first round but if it happens well I won't question Ozzie

will he go offense or go defense that's all I meant . I prefer amaro personally . Clinton dix I like as well but evans is the popular name here

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Since we only have 4 WRs under contract going into next year, I think it is fair to say we will bring in at least 2 new guys. Whether via draft or FA is hard to say, but I would guess we draft a couple, perhaps one early and one later, and also sign a free agent or two.
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Yeah lets draft a TE and WE first and second and watch them do nothing as Flacco is sacked 50 times a year.

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Yeah lets draft a TE and WE first and second and watch them do nothing as Flacco is sacked 50 times a year.


I'm pretty sure we will draft an OL early as well, and KO coming back healthy could be a big improvement.
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Yeah lets draft a TE and WE first and second and watch them do nothing as Flacco is sacked 50 times a year.

There are so many good weapons though this draft.  We can find a stop gap at center and there is no way they can be worse than Gino.  I think KO comes back and is productive as well and you can pick up a RT later in the draft who will most likely put up more resistance than the Michael "Turnstile" Oher.

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I agree with everything you have said , we don't need developmental wide outs. I get that it can be a crap shot . but 20 and only one has a 1000 yard season that's not good. why draft someone who can't run routes, doesn't have a full route tree, lots of drops, can't box out defenders. ...don't we have enough of those already.

 

Exactly. It's basically a crap shoot when it comes to receivers, Ozzie stated this himself. Your chances decrease dramatically if you are bringing in low level guys that are low round draft picks or guys you pick up off the waiver wire. So we need to go after 2 or 3 guys that could possiblly become a 1,000 yard receiver within a year or two of being in the league.

 

The thing is if you're talking about multiple receivers, it gets hard to get all these guys on the field at the same time. You have Torrey, Marlon, Pitta, New WR A, and New WR B. That's a five wide set right there.

 

So the question becomes, would you rather add one guy who can take over a game and earn that starting job? Or add multiple guys who become role players in various situations?

 

But that's the thing. It's not about getting all these guys out on the field. We was able to get guys like Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson, Kevin Johnson, Mark Clayton, D- Will, Doss, etc., out on the field and they still didn't produce. But if you bring in 2 or 3 guys, we don't have to worry about them not producing because the chances are, at least one of those 3 guys will most likely step
up. The ones that don't produce can spend another year developing until they are ready.

Developing good wideouts is more so about options than it is finding that one guy that can "hopefully" come in and produce. And BTW, having 5 potentially good receivers is a good thing. It give us more the reason to play 4 or 5 wide sets, which is what most great modern offenses run.
 

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That and they're gonna be looking at Linemen Fiy.  Which we need WAY MORE!

 

Yeah lets draft a TE and WE first and second and watch them do nothing as Flacco is sacked 50 times a year.

 

I don't think O-line is a necessarily a bigger need than wideout. If we're going to stick with the air coryell, then yes O-line is a more pressing need. But if we bring in a offensive coordinator that's willing to go deep and short, 50/50, then I think WR is going to be a bigger need than O-line. A good offensive scheme can mask a lot of things. The air coryell is a intermediate to deep offensive system which forces the linemen to have to hold their blocks longer than guys who play in a west coast offense. So if we bring in a OC that's going to not only attack down field but also run short routes, I think WR is a bigger need than O-line.

We was in the same predicament in 2009. The situation was... do we draft Oher and sew up the RT (or in Ozzie case long term, LT) or draft a guy like Desean Jackson, Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt. Well Oher has been average at best, while Jackson, Nicks and Britt has shown they are capable of being number one receivers. Look at the Packers.... their O-line isn't all that great, but their offensive scheme makes up for that because of the short, quick passes they they constantly run.
 

 

Since we only have 4 WRs under contract going into next year, I think it is fair to say we will bring in at least 2 new guys. Whether via draft or FA is hard to say, but I would guess we draft a couple, perhaps one early and one later, and also sign a free agent or two.

 

I hope you're right! Cause bringing in "one" guy and hoping he can be that guy is obviously not going to work.
 

 

There are so many good weapons though this draft.  We can find a stop gap at center and there is no way they can be worse than Gino.  I think KO comes back and is productive as well and you can pick up a RT later in the draft who will most likely put up more resistance than the Michael "Turnstile" Oher.

 

No doubt. If Ozzie can't find 2 or 3 guys he like at WR in this draft, then something is wrong. I mean why is it ok to go all out to restock on D, but when the offense needs to be revamp it's, "we're going to find our "guy". I mean we signed multiple D linemen, linebackers, and safeties last year. It's time to do the same at WR and get Joe some weapons that can really contribute in a major way.

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I don't think O-line is a necessarily a bigger need than wideout. If we're going to stick with the air coryell, then yes O-line is a more pressing need. But if we bring in a offensive coordinator that's willing to go deep and short, 50/50, then I think WR is going to be a bigger need than O-line. A good offensive scheme can mask a lot of things. The air coryell is a intermediate to deep offensive system which forces the linemen to have to hold their blocks longer than guys who play in a west coast offense. So if we bring in a OC that's going to not only attack down field but also run short routes, I think WR is a bigger need than O-line.

We was in the same predicament in 2009. The situation was... do we draft Oher and sew up the RT (or in Ozzie case long term, LT) or draft a guy like Desean Jackson, Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt. Well Oher has been average at best, while Jackson, Nicks and Britt has shown they are capable of being number one receivers. Look at the Packers.... their O-line isn't all that great, but their offensive scheme makes up for that because of the short, quick passes they they constantly run.



I hope you're right! Cause bringing in "one" guy and hoping he can be that guy is obviously not going to work.



No doubt. If Ozzie can't find 2 or 3 guys he like at WR in this draft, then something is wrong. I mean why is it ok to go all out to restock on D, but when the offense needs to be revamp it's, "we're going to find our "guy". I mean we signed multiple D linemen, linebackers, and safeties last year. It's time to do the same at WR and get Joe some weapons that can really contribute in a major way.


In Ozzie defense, he had to basically build a whole new defense. Both safeties, 3/4 lbs a and a d lineman, not counting Williams cause we had Jimmy. I think the same urgency is show towards fixing the offense this year and thought it was going to be done regardless seeing how it was made clear the defense was going to be addressed.
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Exactly. It's basically a crap shoot when it comes to receivers, Ozzie stated this himself. Your chances decrease dramatically if you are bringing in low level guys that are low round draft picks or guys you pick up off the waiver wire. So we need to go after 2 or 3 guys that could possiblly become a 1,000 yard receiver within a year or two of being in the league.

 

 

But that's the thing. It's not about getting all these guys out on the field. We was able to get guys like Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson, Kevin Johnson, Mark Clayton, D- Will, Doss, etc., out on the field and they still didn't produce. But if you bring in 2 or 3 guys, we don't have to worry about them not producing because the chances are, at least one of those 3 guys will most likely step
up. The ones that don't produce can spend another year developing until they are ready.

Developing good wideouts is more so about options than it is finding that one guy that can "hopefully" come in and produce. And BTW, having 5 potentially good receivers is a good thing. It give us more the reason to play 4 or 5 wide sets, which is what most great modern offenses run.
 

my favorite formation is 5 wide  I love seeing the defenders trying to cover all of them I also Love big athletic tight ends going across the middle.i hope we can find some young wr's and get a high powered offense going.

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But that's the thing. It's not about getting all these guys out on the field. We was able to get guys like Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson, Kevin Johnson, Mark Clayton, D- Will, Doss, etc., out on the field and they still didn't produce. But if you bring in 2 or 3 guys, we don't have to worry about them not producing because the chances are, at least one of those 3 guys will most likely step up. The ones that don't produce can spend another year developing until they are ready.

Developing good wideouts is more so about options than it is finding that one guy that can "hopefully" come in and produce. And BTW, having 5 potentially good receivers is a good thing. It give us more the reason to play 4 or 5 wide sets, which is what most great modern offenses run.
 

 

Adding multiple developmental receivers is not the solution. What if nobody steps up? We've had guys like Doss, Thompson, LaQuan Williams, Streeter, and others on the roster for multiple seasons, yet they still haven't stepped up and earned a starting job, let alone significant playing time. Joe needs weapons now, not seasons down the road, and that's if the two or three guys you bring in ever develop into anything.

 

Of course it's good to have five potentially good receivers. What's not good is spending big money or using multiple high picks to acquire some of these guys when they won't see the field on a regular basis, but only in 5 WR sets or similar situations. You already said that the chances of hitting on a receiver decrease dramatically if they are late round guys, so therefore it seems that the best plan would be to invest in as close as you can get to a sure thing. Going after a Marqise Lee type of player in the draft or a Hakeem Nicks type of player in free agency seems to be a much better plan than going after project players in the draft and washups in free agency.

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my favorite formation is 5 wide  I love seeing the defenders trying to cover all of them I also Love big athletic tight ends going across the middle.i hope we can find some young wr's and get a high powered offense going.

Only if we have a legit OC........Our playbooks right now are just as thin as a paper....

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Only if we have a legit OC........Our playbooks right now are just as thin as a paper....

agreed

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In Ozzie defense, he had to basically build a whole new defense. Both safeties, 3/4 lbs a and a d lineman, not counting Williams cause we had Jimmy. I think the same urgency is show towards fixing the offense this year and thought it was going to be done regardless seeing how it was made clear the defense was going to be addressed.

 

True. But Ozzie has always favored the defensive side of the ball. He always goes all out to bring in quality defensive guys, while signing low end guys on offense. It was understandable back when Boller and Wright was our QB's, but now that we have a top 10 QB like Joe, he needs to get him as many guys as possible. The front office is the reason Joe and the offense struggled this year. You can't make steak and potatoes out of beef jerky and lays chips.
 

 

my favorite formation is 5 wide  I love seeing the defenders trying to cover all of them I also Love big athletic tight ends going across the middle.i hope we can find some young wr's and get a high powered offense going.

 

Only if we have a legit OC........Our playbooks right now are just as thin as a paper....

 

 

agreed

 

Yeah, I agree also. What good are those players if we don't have the coaches to use them the right way? When we had Boldin, instead of running plays for him over the middle where he's good at, we tried to fit him into our system. We need a OC that's not only creative but who also plays to his players strengths. Since Harbs been the coach, our offense pretty much lined up and tried to beat the guy in front of them. We need a OC that's smart enough to switch things up when lining up and beat your man isn't working.

When rarely ran plays over the middle, we rarely sent guys in motion or shifted the formation. We rarely ran short passes or rub plays. We need to get someone who isn't buddy, buddy with Harbs as our OC, and let him run things how he see fit IMO.

 

So for us, getting the rihgt players and OC goes hand and hand this off season if you ask me.

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heres an idea that ive been feeling really partial to. 

 

if we are confident kelvin benjamin will be there in the early 20's, try to trade back there, and grab him, then in the early 2nd, grab brandin cooks. then automatically we have a dominant, big bodied, super physical, box out receiver, and maybe the quickest, fastest,shiftiest player in the entire draft(this years tavon austin, if not better) who is criminally underrated at this point. 

 

slot man and a true number 1 in 2 picks. now its thedraft so no player is a guarantee, but im liking the idea.

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my fear is this Evans is there and so is Clinton dix ,,,,,,,,,or a pass rusher he likes. will he still take evans

ill go out on a limb and say he gets the pass rusher. ozzie has a strong tendency to pick the player we all think is the least likely choice. of course he normally has a plan and believes we have a chance at a much better value pick later on, so there is a method to the madness. but something like this would really irritate me

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ill go out on a limb and say he gets the pass rusher. ozzie has a strong tendency to pick the player we all think is the least likely choice. of course he normally has a plan and believes we have a chance at a much better value pick later on, so there is a method to the madness. but something like this would really irritate me

I know he is smarter then I I just want an amaro, or evans . I want a calvin Johnson wanna be or a Vernon davis clone ,,,I hope this year is the year for that .

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heres an idea that ive been feeling really partial to. 

 

if we are confident kelvin benjamin will be there in the early 20's, try to trade back there, and grab him, then in the early 2nd, grab brandin cooks. then automatically we have a dominant, big bodied, super physical, box out receiver, and maybe the quickest, fastest,shiftiest player in the entire draft(this years tavon austin, if not better) who is criminally underrated at this point. 

 

slot man and a true number 1 in 2 picks. now its thedraft so no player is a guarantee, but im liking the idea.

another forum member mentioned cooks and I checked him out he is tiny but he also has return capabaility big plus esp if we can't retain jacoby

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True. But Ozzie has always favored the defensive side of the ball. He always goes all out to bring in quality defensive guys, while signing low end guys on offense. It was understandable back when Boller and Wright was our QB's, but now that we have a top 10 QB like Joe, he needs to get him as many guys as possible. The front office is the reason Joe and the offense struggled this year. You can't make steak and potatoes out of beef jerky and lays chips.
 

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So for us, getting the rihgt players and OC goes hand and hand this off season if you ask me.

will we get a new oc this year though doesn;t look like it

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heres an idea that ive been feeling really partial to.

if we are confident kelvin benjamin will be there in the early 20's, try to trade back there, and grab him, then in the early 2nd, grab brandin cooks. then automatically we have a dominant, big bodied, super physical, box out receiver, and maybe the quickest, fastest,shiftiest player in the entire draft(this years tavon austin, if not better) who is criminally underrated at this point.

slot man and a true number 1 in 2 picks. now its thedraft so no player is a guarantee, but im liking the idea.

I had a similar thought where we trade back and draft Beckham, then take his teammate Landry in the second. They compliment each other well and played in Cam Camerons offense so they already know much of the playbook lol.

I doubt either scenario happens but it would be kinda interesting.
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Get the stud who can do it all.  No point in getting specialists who take up a roster spot to play 15 snaps on 3rd down.

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We need a true number 1... by draft or signing at least 2 lineman that's if we can resign Monroe... then find a replacement for C and RT. And a true free safety. So I don't think just bringing in a bunch of draft picks wrs will help... they will end with weird injuries on the IR or special teams until they sign with someone else.

Its time to start swapping picks for the right positions we need instead of BPA and putting them on the shelf. The defense just needs to resign Jones if possible and extend Suggs. I can live with letting D. Smith go if we can keep Jones. If not Smith has to return. Then its offense (true number 1, lineman and te)next a true free safety or corner depth.
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Honestly. Im not worried. We have a bad history with WRs but recently ours have seemed to have developed somewhat.

 

Marlon Brown is getting better

Torrey def got better  (broke 1k for the first time. Led all Wrs in Yards until about week 6)

Jacoby is a better receiving target than when we got him.

Doss got it together and contributed. 

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Honestly. Im not worried. We have a bad history with WRs but recently ours have seemed to have developed somewhat.

Marlon Brown is getting better
Torrey def got better (broke 1k for the first time. Led all Wrs in Yards until about week 6)
Jacoby is a better receiving target than when we got him.
Doss got it together and contributed.


I like draft pick smith brown and doss as our 4 wrs for next year. Brown and doss working the inside and middle as slots and torrey and the draft pick as the deep threats or big time targets. Also and i will take flack but Dickson and pass catching draft pick as our te's.
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heres an idea that ive been feeling really partial to. 

 

if we are confident kelvin benjamin will be there in the early 20's, try to trade back there, and grab him, then in the early 2nd, grab brandin cooks. then automatically we have a dominant, big bodied, super physical, box out receiver, and maybe the quickest, fastest,shiftiest player in the entire draft(this years tavon austin, if not better) who is criminally underrated at this point. 

 

slot man and a true number 1 in 2 picks. now its thedraft so no player is a guarantee, but im liking the idea.

 

You're a lot higher on Cooks than I am. He's quick for sure, but I don't find him nearly as explosive as Tavon Austin. Austin was an absolute gamechanger, I don't think Cooks was quite on his level in college. In fact, I think Cooks will be more of a role player than a premier receiver.

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So, what you're trying to say is, that we should give Eric Reed another chance. Right? :D

 

Hahaha, we are so clueless at solving the WR situation, it's comical.

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I'm excited for the draft like the next guy and hope we can pick up a solid WR in the draft but no one is really talking about a few good options in free agency that should not cost an arm and a leg. Assuming we let Suggs go ( we would need his money to make this happen )....I would rather go after a Decker ( might be too pricey) or a Riley Cooper or heck bring Boldin back. Cooper and Boldin should be around 5 mill each ( just a guess ).  We could sign a good vet WR and prob a center for the money Suggs cost us. Boom 2 major holes filled before the draft. This way we could take top lineman or a replacement for Suggs like Mack who could fall to us or a TE ( another weapon for Joe ) or even a Clinton-Dix. We get sooooo wrapped up in taking a WR in the 1st ( and rightfully so ) that with a simple FA signing at WR it opens that all important 1st round pick up for us. All im saying is if we fill our #2 WR via FA. Then that changes the major concern for most and opens up ALOT of options in the first 3 rounds. I mean heck i'd be just fine with our first WR pick being lets say a Brandin Cooks with our 3rd round comp we should get. There is going to be a major run on QB's this year, imo there could be 5 taken in the first 10-15 picks. That means a few are going to fall a lot further then they should.....and fall to us. We aint picking at the bottom this year boys and girls. There is no reason why we cant fix our o-line issues ( KO coming back to form next year is a big piece to that ) and we will pick up a good TE in the draft. I like C.J Fiedorwicz personally ( talk about a good blocker and a HUGE red zone presence ). Add that FA WR and boom our O is rocking now. Anyway its just a thought but after the FO interview yesterday......I believe this is the route they will go.

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I'm with you.We should find a guy in free agency and draft a wr too.Torrey Smith is our highest paid wr and hes making 1,078,392 next year.The next two guys(Brown and Thompson) are each making half of that.You get what you pay for.With the game being biased towards the pass like it is,we need to devote a larger portion of our cap towards our wrs.There are plenty of very good wrs on the free agent market this year that could be had for $4-7 million per year or maybe even lower.We need to bring one in on a 2 or 3 year deal.Since virtually nobody feels the same way about Britt like I do,I'm gonna suggest James Jones.He's only 29(but turns 30 in two months),he runs great routes,has a long body with long arms and makes tough catches just like Boldin did but has more speed than Boldin.

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I think we definitely need to get a top end WR. I think it'll have to come from the draft as FA will just cost too much. I feel a top end stud type WR will improve everyone around him. I'm bias to my Noles but I look at a guy like Kelvin Benjamin. I won't compare him to Calvin Johnson because CJ is a once in a generation type talent, but K.B is a similar type of player and if you can add him to this team then I feel that Torrey and Brown would be even better then they are now and guys like Doss, Mellette and Thompson will look better as well. The reason being is because when you have a guy like Benjamin(or whoever) defenses have to really pay a lot of attention to him. Not like with Torrey, you can play off coverage on Torrey and take him out of most games because speed is his thing. Or play press and not just let him off the line.

 

But with a guy like K.B you can't just play him one way all game. You don't even plan to stop him, you just hope to limit him. Much like Green, Fitz, Juilo, Dez and other top end WRs. We don't have a system that allows us to maximize the talents of developmental/rotational WRs like Doss and Thompson. Those guys either need the system to get them open or they get open off a teammate's route. Having a guy like K.B on the other side of Torrey is deadly imo. If someone else can take coverage away from Torrey he becomes that much better. We need a WR who can dominate at every level and take over games. If this were baseball, Torrey would be your Home Run hitter while a guy like Kelvin Benjamin(or whoever) is more like a 5 tool player that can give you what you need in ever area. Give me a guy like Kelvin Benjamin and I feel much more comfortable with Doss, Mellette and Thompson bring up the rear at WR.

 

With the number of really good WRs in this draft, paired with the comments of Ozzie, I have no doubt the Ravens will look for a top end WR for 2014. Ultimately I think we'll look for a guy who can consistently get open against any coverage, if he happens to be a stud great. Torrey will be back at more of the #2 WR which is perfect for him and Brown will be used inside and out to take advantage of mismatches.

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I watched the state of the ravens yesterday and I heard Ozzie mention a certain type of player the team is looking for at WR. He basically said by the time the 2014 season starts, he will have his "guy." Now I was as excited as most when I heard this but then I got to thinking.... Instead of us finding our "guy", why can't we go out and find our "guys?"

I mean, every time we go searching for help at receiver (or help on offense in general), we always look for that one guy, then we ignore the WR position for the next few years, in hopes of this "one" guy being the savior. Meanwhile, on defense we bring in 2 or 3 players for each position of need to try to improve those positions.

Well we need to do what we did in 2005, when we signed a free agent receiver (Derrick Mason), and drafted one as well (Mark Clayton). That's almost ten years since we made any kind of serious effort to bring in high level guys at wideout. Even before 2005, we always depended on the savior. Remember Travis Taylor anyone? Once we drafted Taylor in 2000, we didn't really try to bring in any top level receiver until 05.

We need to sign multiple free agent WRs, or draft 2 or 3 guys in the draft, two of them being high draft picks (1st, 2nd, or 3rd rounders), or a mixture of both.

Whatever the case may be, we need to bring in at least 3 highly talented guys that could compete for the second receiver spot. I'm not saying we should break the bank for receivers, but teams like the Packers, Saints, Giants, Eagles, 49ers, Seahawks, Broncos, etc.... those teams bring in multiple guys each year to compete for a roster spot and we need to do the same.

And no... 6th or 7th rounders, UDFAs, waiver and practice squad guys don't count. That's the Ravens way of doing things. We need to switch things up and start making an assertive effort to CONSTANTLY bring in talented WRs. Not just this off-season, but moving forward as well. The front office set Joe up for failure by trading Boldin, now it's time to make it up to him by finding him multiple guys to throw to. Ozzie said it himself at the presser, "finding a good wide receiver is hit or miss".

Basically Ozzie was saying that it's a 50/50 chance a WR will come in and fit our (or any team) system (or in a rookie's case play well in the NFL, like he did in college). Well, if that's the case, then bringing in multiple guys would be the smart thing to do IMO. I mean why bring in one guy in hopes of him being the savior, if it's either hit or miss? We've done this for the last 7 years. We put the weight of the world on "one" guy shoulders, and hoped and prayed that he can turn around our always struggling offense.

 

What ends up happening is....

We scrutinize every single mistake our so called savior makes and he ends up being the scapegoat for why our O still sucks. But if we bring in 3 or more guys, we put ourselves in position to have a guy most likely hit, rather than miss because the more guys we bring in, the higher the chance someone steps up to be that guy. Look at what happened with Pitta and Dickson. We didn't have to put all the pressure on one guy to replace Heap. We brought in 2 guys that was competing against each other to replace him. We didn't have to worry about our one guy not stepping up because we had two guys competing and we knew that one of them would rise to the occasion.

You can use Gino for comparison on the opposite end of the speculum. Instead of bringing in another high talented guy to push Gino at center, we stuck with Gino and hoped that he could replace Birk and look how that worked out.

Anyway, I truly hope the front office recognize that bringing in "one" guy at WR is not going to be the answer for us (it hasn't worked in the last 7 years). Since WRs are so hit or miss, we need to bring in multiple guys, so Joe and hopefully the new offensive coordinator can have some weapons to work with on offense. And let's stick to talented guys with upside this time too, instead of low level receivers who is already at their ceiling when we sign them.

 

 

Great post, agree 99.9%.

It would be 100% but for this:



You can use Gino for comparison on the opposite end of the speculum.

 

A speculum is what gynecologists use to examine their patients.

Spectrum, on the other hand, while not as hilarious, is a more proper word choice.

 


 

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I watched the state of the ravens yesterday and I heard Ozzie mention a certain type of player the team is looking for at WR. He basically said by the time the 2014 season starts, he will have his "guy." Now I was as excited as most when I heard this but then I got to thinking.... Instead of us finding our "guy", why can't we go out and find our "guys?"

I mean, every time we go searching for help at receiver (or help on offense in general), we always look for that one guy, then we ignore the WR position for the next few years, in hopes of this "one" guy being the savior. Meanwhile, on defense we bring in 2 or 3 players for each position of need to try to improve those positions.

Well we need to do what we did in 2005, when we signed a free agent receiver (Derrick Mason), and drafted one as well (Mark Clayton). That's almost ten years since we made any kind of serious effort to bring in high level guys at wideout. Even before 2005, we always depended on the savior. Remember Travis Taylor anyone? Once we drafted Taylor in 2000, we didn't really try to bring in any top level receiver until 05.

We need to sign multiple free agent WRs, or draft 2 or 3 guys in the draft, two of them being high draft picks (1st, 2nd, or 3rd rounders), or a mixture of both.

Whatever the case may be, we need to bring in at least 3 highly talented guys that could compete for the second receiver spot. I'm not saying we should break the bank for receivers, but teams like the Packers, Saints, Giants, Eagles, 49ers, Seahawks, Broncos, etc.... those teams bring in multiple guys each year to compete for a roster spot and we need to do the same.

And no... 6th or 7th rounders, UDFAs, waiver and practice squad guys don't count. That's the Ravens way of doing things. We need to switch things up and start making an assertive effort to CONSTANTLY bring in talented WRs. Not just this off-season, but moving forward as well. The front office set Joe up for failure by trading Boldin, now it's time to make it up to him by finding him multiple guys to throw to. Ozzie said it himself at the presser, "finding a good wide receiver is hit or miss".

Basically Ozzie was saying that it's a 50/50 chance a WR will come in and fit our (or any team) system (or in a rookie's case play well in the NFL, like he did in college). Well, if that's the case, then bringing in multiple guys would be the smart thing to do IMO. I mean why bring in one guy in hopes of him being the savior, if it's either hit or miss? We've done this for the last 7 years. We put the weight of the world on "one" guy shoulders, and hoped and prayed that he can turn around our always struggling offense.

 

What ends up happening is....

We scrutinize every single mistake our so called savior makes and he ends up being the scapegoat for why our O still sucks. But if we bring in 3 or more guys, we put ourselves in position to have a guy most likely hit, rather than miss because the more guys we bring in, the higher the chance someone steps up to be that guy. Look at what happened with Pitta and Dickson. We didn't have to put all the pressure on one guy to replace Heap. We brought in 2 guys that was competing against each other to replace him. We didn't have to worry about our one guy not stepping up because we had two guys competing and we knew that one of them would rise to the occasion.

You can use Gino for comparison on the opposite end of the speculum. Instead of bringing in another high talented guy to push Gino at center, we stuck with Gino and hoped that he could replace Birk and look how that worked out.

Anyway, I truly hope the front office recognize that bringing in "one" guy at WR is not going to be the answer for us (it hasn't worked in the last 7 years). Since WRs are so hit or miss, we need to bring in multiple guys, so Joe and hopefully the new offensive coordinator can have some weapons to work with on offense. And let's stick to talented guys with upside this time too, instead of low level receivers who is already at their ceiling when we sign them.

 

Thank God!!! Finally someone else who is sick of the mediocre WR talent we have on this team...and have had ever since drafting Flacco. I absolutely agree 10000%.

 

In any general discussion about the Ravens offense I always say that the most talented WRs Joe has had the opportunity to throw to were Anquan Boldin, Derrick Mason, and Torrey Smith. When you think about that its kind of pothetic. Derrick Mason was great for us but wasnt a bigtime playmaker, Anquan Boldin is probably the best #2 WR in the NFL and Torrey Smith is also still not capable of being a dominant WR in the NFL...yet. He still lives off the deep ball and seems way more like a big play receiver than a reliable chain moving one. In other words Torrey is more likely to go for 4rec/120/td...and someone like Brandon Marshall, Reggie Wayne or Vincent Jackson will put up a 10rec/120yds/td. Torrey is a home run hitter but so far thats about it...he needs to get stronger and really develop his route running skills and catching some more. But I love Torrey and am very glad we have such an explosive weapon for Flacco.

 

I think Ozzie is right we do need 1 type  of "guy" at WR and that is a #1 WR. Someone who can dominate on the field...stretch the defense vertically on deep routes, but more importantly be there to make to tough grabs in order to convert 1st downs. Run clean crisp routes and ultimately as Ozzie said is sure handed. I think that guy could be Mike Evans who is getting compared to a lot of successful physical #1 WRs like Vincent Jackson. Evans is a guy who will win every catch with his physicality and actually runs some pretty good routes too combined with good speed and athleticism and a nice set of hands.

 

BUT I think we have to go out and pick up a couple cheap free agents this year and there are actually some good looking prospects to consider too. I really would love for us to get Julian Edelman...some people are going to say he is a product of Tom Brady but I think he is a younger, quicker, and better Brandon Stokely. Edelman has pretty good hands and he is looking more and more like Wes Welker coming out of the slot. He posted 100 catches and 1000  yards this year and the Patriots already secured Danny Amendola last year and have a lot of young WRs so I think Edleman wont be too big of a priority to them (hopefully). For Flacco Edelman could be everything and way way more than what Brandon Stokely was supposed to be for us last year.

 

Also I like Kenny Britt as a cheap 1 year guy for us...like how we went after Rolando Mcclain last year on a cheap 1 year contract. Kenny Britt is injury prone, and arrest prone, but has talent and wont have a whole lot of offers to work with. If we could get him on a cheap deal with an exit strategy in place in case he messes up...it will be like more of a tryout because if he cant play up to par or if he gets in trouble we can just part ways. Kenny Britt has massive potential to become a dominant WR in the NFL if he can work hard and overcome injuries and stay out of trouble he could be a steal.

 

Jeremy Maclin is another free agent to consider too, coming off an ACL tear and playing through injuries his entire career...Maclin wont have any type of chips to put down and will likely fall to the bottom of the market where Ozzie loves to pick up cheap guys with potential. Maclin was always a play making WR and could definitely upgrade what we have going on right now.

 

All in all I think ozzie knows we have to get Joe Flacco weapons and just 1 aint gonna cut it. I think we will draft one with one of our first 2 picks and also look to free agency to pick up another couple.

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I too am interested in Edelman. He's not the best all around WR out there, but he's one of the best slot guys out there. 

 

He's sure handed, he gets the ball on 3rd and 7, and he gets YACs. Maybe this is the guy Ozzie is talking about? Lol. It sounds like an Ozzie move to me. Good value, low key, not a splash move. 

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I too am interested in Edelman. He's not the best all around WR out there, but he's one of the best slot guys out there. 

 

He's sure handed, he gets the ball on 3rd and 7, and he gets YACs. Maybe this is the guy Ozzie is talking about? Lol. It sounds like an Ozzie move to me. Good value, low key, not a splash move. 

People keep talking about a Boldin clone but what we need is a chain mover who forces the defense to gameplan for him in the middle of the field,regardless of how he does it. It can be a Traffic catching specialist or a route running specialist. As for Marlon in the slot he is going to have to get ready to move outside and that means getting stronger and developing better technique against the press. That being said I think Edelman worked outside quite a bit,right?

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People keep talking about a Boldin clone but what we need is a chain mover who forces the defense to gameplan for him in the middle of the field,regardless of how he does it. It can be a Traffic catching specialist or a route running specialist. As for Marlon in the slot he is going to have to get ready to move outside and that means getting stronger and developing better technique against the press. That being said I think Edelman worked outside quite a bit,right?

 

Edelman worked all over the field in the games I saw. He's best suited in the slot though. 

 

Only concern with him is he's not great beating man and press coverage, which wouldn't help us. 

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Atlanta knows all about Drafting a premier WR, signing a pro bowl TE, Brining in a feature RB and still not having it work out . First and foremost, in order to have a successful offense you have to have a successful offensive line. I think the initial reaction fans have to our failures are the obvious ones - WRs catch TDs, RBs run for TDs, when you're offense isn't producing TDs, you have to upgrade these positions. But really...when your play makers aren't given enough time to get open or run effectively it doesn't matter how good they are if the play is being blown up in the backfield and your QB is being sacked 2 seconds from the snap. I agree that we need to upgrade the talent across our skill positions in order to help spread more of the offensive burden evenly, across all 11 positions...but in past years we just didn't have the financial resources to do that. We relied more on an upfront attack to run the ball and have our offense score just enough to let our defense win games. Now that our defense isnt as dominant as we've been accustomed to in the past and cant seem to win those close games any longer, it's time we shift our focus to the other side of the ball and invest in new ways to win. But before we do that we HAVE to address the line or everything else is a mute point.

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I watched the state of the ravens yesterday and I heard Ozzie mention a certain type of player the team is looking for at WR. He basically said by the time the 2014 season starts, he will have his "guy." Now I was as excited as most when I heard this but then I got to thinking.... Instead of us finding our "guy", why can't we go out and find our "guys?"

I mean, every time we go searching for help at receiver (or help on offense in general), we always look for that one guy, then we ignore the WR position for the next few years, in hopes of this "one" guy being the savior. Meanwhile, on defense we bring in 2 or 3 players for each position of need to try to improve those positions.

Well we need to do what we did in 2005, when we signed a free agent receiver (Derrick Mason), and drafted one as well (Mark Clayton). That's almost ten years since we made any kind of serious effort to bring in high level guys at wideout. Even before 2005, we always depended on the savior. Remember Travis Taylor anyone? Once we drafted Taylor in 2000, we didn't really try to bring in any top level receiver until 05.

We need to sign multiple free agent WRs, or draft 2 or 3 guys in the draft, two of them being high draft picks (1st, 2nd, or 3rd rounders), or a mixture of both.

Whatever the case may be, we need to bring in at least 3 highly talented guys that could compete for the second receiver spot. I'm not saying we should break the bank for receivers, but teams like the Packers, Saints, Giants, Eagles, 49ers, Seahawks, Broncos, etc.... those teams bring in multiple guys each year to compete for a roster spot and we need to do the same.

And no... 6th or 7th rounders, UDFAs, waiver and practice squad guys don't count. That's the Ravens way of doing things. We need to switch things up and start making an assertive effort to CONSTANTLY bring in talented WRs. Not just this off-season, but moving forward as well. The front office set Joe up for failure by trading Boldin, now it's time to make it up to him by finding him multiple guys to throw to. Ozzie said it himself at the presser, "finding a good wide receiver is hit or miss".

Basically Ozzie was saying that it's a 50/50 chance a WR will come in and fit our (or any team) system (or in a rookie's case play well in the NFL, like he did in college). Well, if that's the case, then bringing in multiple guys would be the smart thing to do IMO. I mean why bring in one guy in hopes of him being the savior, if it's either hit or miss? We've done this for the last 7 years. We put the weight of the world on "one" guy shoulders, and hoped and prayed that he can turn around our always struggling offense.

 

What ends up happening is....

We scrutinize every single mistake our so called savior makes and he ends up being the scapegoat for why our O still sucks. But if we bring in 3 or more guys, we put ourselves in position to have a guy most likely hit, rather than miss because the more guys we bring in, the higher the chance someone steps up to be that guy. Look at what happened with Pitta and Dickson. We didn't have to put all the pressure on one guy to replace Heap. We brought in 2 guys that was competing against each other to replace him. We didn't have to worry about our one guy not stepping up because we had two guys competing and we knew that one of them would rise to the occasion.

You can use Gino for comparison on the opposite end of the speculum. Instead of bringing in another high talented guy to push Gino at center, we stuck with Gino and hoped that he could replace Birk and look how that worked out.

Anyway, I truly hope the front office recognize that bringing in "one" guy at WR is not going to be the answer for us (it hasn't worked in the last 7 years). Since WRs are so hit or miss, we need to bring in multiple guys, so Joe and hopefully the new offensive coordinator can have some weapons to work with on offense. And let's stick to talented guys with upside this time too, instead of low level receivers who is already at their ceiling when we sign them.

 

 

 


 

 


 

Jones is a return specialist first, then a receiver second. So, just looking at our pure receivers: Smith, Doss, Thompson, Mallete and Brown. NO one has more than four years of NFL experience. So I'd much rather see us make moves within free agency or trades rather than drafting ANOTHER young receiver. 

Plus we must not forget that our FO didn't account for losing Pitta for 14 games. I'm almost certain that if they knew Pitta would miss a majority of the season then they wouldn't have let Boldin go. But hindsight is 20-20

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