What kind of WR do you want?

[BloodRaven]

How is that? Please elaborate? I see a few differences in their game

 

Every player will have differences to other players of the same "type", it's not worth debating. I'm interested in the bigger picture and having receivers who can complement each other and do different things.

[Cville-Raven]

there is a reason why I didn't include them. Kelvin is raw/unmotivated player

And what exactly was the reasoning for not including Adams?

[The Raven]

Every player will have differences to other players of the same "type", it's not worth debating. I'm interested in the bigger picture and having receivers who can complement each other and do different things.

 

I agree with you. Lee does play a lot like Torrey. Almost the same player. 

[Dnyce215]

Every player will have differences to other players of the same "type", it's not worth debating. I'm interested in the bigger picture and having receivers who can complement each other and do different things.

Ok understood. I am not worried bout complimenting other receivers on the roster. I am bout the Ravens picking the best skill set at WR. Not the boards flavor of the week. I want a receiver that know how to run routes. Not a project that develops a few years later

[Dnyce215]

I agree with you. Lee does play a lot like Torrey. Almost the same player.

How does Lee play a lot like torrey? I see Lee is a better route runner than torrey. But I thought we wanted guys who can run slants, crossing paterns? What I am missing here?

[The Raven]

How does Lee play a lot like torrey? I see Lee is a better route runner than torrey. But I thought we wanted guys who can run slants, crossing paterns? What I am missing here?

 

I'm watching him right now, and all I see him do is curls, screens, comebacks, outs, and nines. I haven't seen him go over the middle much. Maybe it's just the play calling, but I don't see him as a physical, over the middle, possession guy that would so perfectly complement Torrey. 

 

From what I've gathered, he's a slightly more physical Torrey with a little bit wider route tree. He's not the best against press, like Torrey. There were a few times I saw him try and go east-west and dance too much instead of getting north-south and converting on third. Torrey does that too

[Dnyce215]

I'm watching him right now, and all I see him do is curls, screens, comebacks, outs, and nines. I haven't seen him go over the middle much. Maybe it's just the play calling, but I don't see him as a physical, over the middle, possession guy that would so perfectly complement Torrey.

From what I've gathered, he's a slightly more physical Torrey with a little bit wider route tree. He's not the best against press, like Torrey. There were a few times I saw him try and go east-west and dance too much instead of getting north-south and converting on third. Torrey does that too

I seen some what you talking about, bout the curls, screens and the comebacks. I saw some footage of him doing crossing routes and working the middle of the field.

He is a little more physical than Torrey, that can be worked on and he can gain experience doing that thru reps. He does dance instead of North and south. But he can learn to do that here. I know he can be successful here.

[jazz1988]

I agree with you. Lee does play a lot like Torrey. Almost the same player. 

 

 I dont know about the Torrey Smith comparison  but when I look at Lee he reminds me of  Derrick Mason .  

[Ravenseconbeast]

And what exactly was the reasoning for not including Adams?

 

 

Nothing.  I have no idea what kind of player he is.   Just like no one really have an idea how Derek Carr would do in NFL.    Both of them competed against low lvl/non ranked/no-name schools all season.     

 

The only competitive team fresno faught was USC, which isn't really a tough school, but they completely destroyed fresno in vegas bowl.    

[Dnyce215]

I dont know about the Torrey Smith comparison but when I look at Lee he reminds me of Derrick Mason .

Yes I can see that comparison also, to me is a complete receiver in the Draft. In my eyes he is

[BloodRaven]

Ok understood. I am not worried bout complimenting other receivers on the roster. I am bout the Ravens picking the best skill set at WR. Not the boards flavor of the week. I want a receiver that know how to run routes. Not a project that develops a few years later

 

"Flavor of the week" says the guy driving the Lee bandwagon. If you're sold on Mark Clayton 2.0 thats your prerogative.

[Dnyce215]

"Flavor of the week" says the guy driving the Lee bandwagon. If you're sold on Mark Clayton 2.0 thats your prerogative.

But you want mike evans? Right cause he is a big target? So can he run routes? How bout a complete receiver for once, I guess you like Lego players then. Always a project player we Draft and don't pan out. I guess that is what you prefer?

[BloodRaven]

But you want mike evans? Right cause he is a big target? So can he run routes? How bout a complete receiver for once, I guess you like Lego players then. Always a project player we Draft and don't pan out. I guess that is what you prefer?

 

Pass, I'm not interested in talking in circles. My opinion is unchanged.

[Dnyce215]

Pass, I'm not interested in talking in circles. My opinion is unchanged.

mines isn't changing either, we agree to disagree

[Robbo15]

there is a reason why I didn't include them. Kelvin is raw/unmotivated player

how Do you feel about Devante Adams ?

[margar500]

If Sammy Watkins somehow slips to us i think Ozzie takes him without thinking about it. If he doesn't i think we should get Eric Ebron in the 1st rd. And target Beckham Jr or Brandon Cooks in the 2nd rd. Those 2 guys could also replace jacoby who i think we should release in order to have better chance at resigning Arthur Jones. If matthews still available in 2nd rd id be happy with him to.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Since we're now going WCO, I want a Jordan Matthews type of WR, preferably Jordan Matthews himself.

[DomMcRaven]

 

 

I want a Jordan Matthews type of WR, preferably Jordan Matthews himself.

Lol but I agree with you. 

[Inqui]

Jordan Matthews and Allen Robinson are my favourites now. I think they'll fit Kubiak's short game really well.

[jdynamite]

Given the descriptions in OP. I find myself leaning more towards wanting a playmaker. This needs also stems from watching Torrey not get used creatively enough for him to become a dynamic playmaker. I want a WR that can play multiple positions outside or inside slot to create mismatches.

I'm not that hung up on the big bodied guys like Mike Evans & K.Benjamin, because Marlon has the height and with a solid offseason can get stronger and more durable.

I did want Alshon Jeffrey after we traded out of the first round 2 years ago because I still loved the kid from his Sophomore year although his junior year wasn't as good . ( but I never looked at Evans or Benjamin in that manner ) I also liked M. Floyd coming out of ND.

WR is a position that used to take a longer develop in the nfl do to kids not running routes in college but with NFL passing rules now WRs seem to be making impacts early and often.

I feel like Evans or Benjamin could be the next Jon Baldwin ( big WR that dominated in college but can't put it together yet in NFL) I hope not

[jdynamite]

I agree with you. Lee does play a lot like Torrey. Almost the same player.

I don't think Lee plays like Torrey. Lee runs some really good routes , when he had Barkley at QB they often sent Lee on a variety of routes, Lee scored a lot of long TDs but when you look at the TDs he often caught screens, slants, or posts then he broke free and created the long TD.

If I had to compare him right now it would probably be to a young Issac Bruce deep speed to beat anyone but runs good enough routes to get underneath defenders to open up the deep pass later.

Torrey has really improved his route running and his catching but I think Torrey has been used as a Deep Threat first and that opens up the occasional short pass ( while Lee was utilized as a complete WR when he had a capable QB)

[Dnyce215]

I don't think Lee plays like Torrey. Lee runs some really good routes , when he had Barkley at QB they often sent Lee on a variety of routes, Lee scored a lot of long TDs but when you look at the TDs he often caught screens, slants, or posts then he broke free and created the long TD.

If I had to compare him right now it would probably be to a young Issac Bruce deep speed to beat anyone but runs good enough routes to get underneath defenders to open up the deep pass later.

Torrey has really improved his route running and his catching but I think Torrey has been used as a Deep Threat first and that opens up the occasional short pass ( while Lee was utilized as a complete WR when he had a capable QB)

Lee is the type of player that can come in and play right away

[JoeyFlex5]

were running a west coast, I think its clear what WR we need to get in this draft. Jordan Matthews is the 2nd best receiver after Watkins, and hes gonna slip pretty far due to everyone reaching for big tall project receivers and a run on qb's. not only does he have the best hands out of all the receivers in the draft, but he is tough and physical and runs routes so well that he doesn't even need speed, he would be incredible in a kubiak system.

[juanman7]

I saw an article on NFL.com talking about how Danny Amendola of the Patriots could possibly be a cap casualty for them this year seeing as how Julian Edelman, who cost way less, produced way more for them and Amendola greatly failed to live up to the expectations his contract set for him as a Wes Welker type of player. I know it sounds stupid to ask this as he had a pretty bad season, but would anybody be up for signing him if he became a casualty? And can anyone explain to me how much money would the team acquiring have to pay of his last contract or would it only be the Patriots paying him the money from the previous contract? He showed some flashes but he is very inconsistent both on the field and health wise. If he can find a way to improve on staying healthy though, he could pay off with a more appropriate contract.

[Inqui]

I saw an article on NFL.com talking about how Danny Amendola of the Patriots could possibly be a cap casualty for them this year seeing as how Julian Edelman, who cost way less, produced way more for them and Amendola greatly failed to live up to the expectations his contract set for him as a Wes Welker type of player. I know it sounds stupid to ask this as he had a pretty bad season, but would anybody be up for signing him if he became a casualty? And can anyone explain to me how much money would the team acquiring have to pay of his last contract or would it only be the Patriots paying him the money from the previous contract? He showed some flashes but he is very inconsistent both on the field and health wise. If he can find a way to improve on staying healthy though, he could pay off with a more appropriate contract.

If he got cut (ie, was a cap casualty), my understanding is that the Patriots would live with the guaranteed money/signing bonus on his contract, while he'd have to negotiate a new one with any other team he chose to sign with. Although I do realise you basically need a PHD in accounting and an insane retentive memory to understand the cap, much less master it, so I could well be wrong.

 

Tbh, I wouldn't be a fan of the signing. I think he'd be too expensive for what he'd offer.

[HoldingCall]

I saw an article on NFL.com talking about how Danny Amendola of the Patriots could possibly be a cap casualty for them this year seeing as how Julian Edelman, who cost way less, produced way more for them and Amendola greatly failed to live up to the expectations his contract set for him as a Wes Welker type of player. I know it sounds stupid to ask this as he had a pretty bad season, but would anybody be up for signing him if he became a casualty? And can anyone explain to me how much money would the team acquiring have to pay of his last contract or would it only be the Patriots paying him the money from the previous contract? He showed some flashes but he is very inconsistent both on the field and health wise. If he can find a way to improve on staying healthy though, he could pay off with a more appropriate contract.

Nope! Not likely since the Ravens just recently had the Evans and Stokley experience. 

[Ravenslifer]

I saw an article on NFL.com talking about how Danny Amendola of the Patriots could possibly be a cap casualty for them this year seeing as how Julian Edelman, who cost way less, produced way more for them and Amendola greatly failed to live up to the expectations his contract set for him as a Wes Welker type of player. I know it sounds stupid to ask this as he had a pretty bad season, but would anybody be up for signing him if he became a casualty? And can anyone explain to me how much money would the team acquiring have to pay of his last contract or would it only be the Patriots paying him the money from the previous contract? He showed some flashes but he is very inconsistent both on the field and health wise. If he can find a way to improve on staying healthy though, he could pay off with a more appropriate contract.

 

Not for anything more than vet minimum - you hit the nail on the head when you said "if he can stay healthy".  He would probably still be in St. Louis if not for all the injuries, but you're talking about a guy who's played in 15 games the last 3 seasons.  We really need a dependable starting receiver, and I don't think you can count on Amendola to stay healthy.

[thieverycorporation]

We need a #2 who could be used as Torrey's doppelganger, both in speed and reliability. A threat that can take a small gain to the house and make the D back up, opening our TE's and Rice to make more plays - Someone like:

In the slot, I totally agree, Edlemen, Welker, Amendola, all these guys are quick, fast WRs that may not burn you down the field 100% of the time but excel in getting separation with their quickness, being a huge benefit on first downs. We need someone with the skills like:

Both these types of players can play all over the field, both in the slot and outside, maybe even the backfield on some plays. This is not saying we should get these guys but get some picks like them. They have a ton of versatility, something The ravens and OZ love in a player.

Like your picks and totally agree. With D'Anthony being a Percy Harvin type. Kubiak  would have a field day with hybrid player. Rice has proven to be an asset in the dump-off but D'A would provide a real passing threat. He should available in the second. Thanks for thinking outside the box

[tolucaraven]

Chain mover, reliable hands with quickness and suddeness. Like an Antonio Brown type. Benjamin too slow. Evans big not a route runner. Someome like Hilton.

Watkins is really the only SPECIAL first round talent, IMO.

[52520Andrew]

Like your picks and totally agree. With D'Anthony being a Percy Harvin type. Kubiak  would have a field day with hybrid player. Rice has proven to be an asset in the dump-off but D'A would provide a real passing threat. He should available in the second. Thanks for thinking outside the box

 

We could probably get D'Anthony Thomas much later than the second. Wouldn't mind getting him at value however, he is a good player. Another guy we could get is Oklahoma WR Jalen Saunders if we are looking for a similar player.