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What kind of WR do you want?

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t. smith and m. brown work best outside the numbers. last season, had too many split-flanker types and not one dependable slot guy, which is why brown had to shift inside. pitta is a flexed TE, need a shifty athletic type to work the middle of the field and get YAC.  

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Cyrus plays DB, while Christion Jones plays WR (special teams stud)

I think he means LT Cyrus Kouandjio. Not that I want him (or anyone who'll play RT for us) in the first, but I think that's what he was saying is all.

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I think he means LT Cyrus Kouandjio. Not that I want him (or anyone who'll play RT for us) in the first, but I think that's what he was saying is all.

Gotcha. I think Kouandijo needs to go back to school to improve his footwork against speed rushers

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Gotcha. I think Kouandijo needs to go back to school to improve his footwork against speed rushers

I agree. It kinda grates me to see him mocked to us in the first round all around the interwebs - even after he got abused by OU's rushers. Ah well, it's not like mocks mean all that much in January I suppose, and Ozzie pretty much dispelled the idea of RT being a priority during the State of the Ravens press conference.

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Cyrus plays DB, while Christion Jones plays WR (special teams stud)

It doesnt have to be Cyrus. I'd love to see Taylor lewan or even Greg Robinson(both Sr) be picked @ 1st round. I know that the talent of OTs drops fast after 1st round, so thats just the emphasis im making.

I also think Jordan Matthews can fall to us @2nd round. WR isnt such a major need for other NFL teams and there is Maqer Lee/Sammy Watkins/Evans ahead of them.

jmo...

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Something like Jeffery or Vincent Jackson. ;)

Tough and physical who can go up and fight for the ball.

Someone with Matt Elams initials.

WORD!!!

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As of now, here is the 2014 Free Agent WRs. In Bold is guys I would want. Obviously the talent level isn't all the same but there are a few bargain buys that would be upgrades of what we have now.

 

Eric Decker
Anquan Boldin
Hakeem Nicks

Golden Tate
Emmanuel Sanders
Jeremy Maclin
Riley Cooper
Jacoby Jones
Devin Hester
Ted Ginn, Jr.
Julian Edelman
Jacoby Ford
Robert Meachem
James Jones
Dexter McCluster
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Mario Manningham
Santana Moss
Kenny Britt
Domenik Hixon
Brandon LaFell
Dane Sanzenbacher
Andre Cladwell
Kevin Ogletree
Chad Hall
Jerome Simpson
Austin Collie
Josh Cribbs
Jerrico Cotchery
Kassim Osgood
Kyle Williams
Damian Williams

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Not sure if we would go the FA route but Riley Cooper looks like an interesting option.  Pretty big guy and can get yards after catch.  Also a pretty good blocking WR which is something we are missing.

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This isn't a "who do you want us to get thread"? Rather a what kind of WR do you think WR should get?

WR is a huge need(duh). But what kind? Some will say possession WR(Boldin esq dude. Matthews, Nicks) Others will say big body WR. (Cooper, Benjamin, Evans, Barden), some will say playmaker(Lee, Watkins, Beckham).

Me? Well what do Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Brady all have in common.

They have a tough slot WR that will go over the middle and take a hit, but still have the chance to make a big play afterwards.

I think we are missing a little quickie slot WR, and it's obvious Marlon can't be that.

I may have us getting Beckham Jr, but I'm also an advocate for us getting a Hawkins, a Brandin Cooks. A little out WR.

we have couple speedsters in torry & deonte, JJ. we need a Q clone besides brown.

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I want an Anquan Boldin like receiver with a lot more speed for separation .

 

Is there one like that in the draft?

 

One of these decades we will get a stud receiver.

 

I agree with you! The Small Welker type will not do well because they need QBs who are precision passers, which Joe is not. Welker was barely average before getting to New England and Denver. This may be the reason Thompson hasn't prospered well. Joe needs a Boldin or Dez Bryant type of receiver with a wide catch radius. 

 

Aaron Mellette nearly got killed during preseason attempting to catch a pass across the middle against the Panthers. It was due to where Joe put the ball. Joe's lack of accuracy shows up more in crossing routes as balls are often in front or behind the receivers (not in stride) which is why we don't see more of those routes.  Harbs stated that Marlon Brown needs to improve on his catch radius. That statement is partly due to the reason stated above.

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I hope this draft we pick like this.

 

1. Offensive Weapon

2. Offensive Weapon

3. Offensive Protection

4. Offensive Protection 

5. BPA

6. BPA

6. BPA

7. BPA

 

We need to address our offense through this draft and need to give Flacco as many weapons and protection as possible.

 

We all saw what that dismal offensive personals and scheme did to Eli Manning and Colin Kaepernick.

 

All those guys have been to the Super Bowl and can play elite football. They just need talent and right scheme to make them unstoppable.

 

Ozzie make it happen by bringing in a gun-slinging madman as our offensive coordinator, resigning Eugene Monroe, drafting players like Mike Evans to wreck havoc on DBs, and stocking up on TEs, OLs, and more weapons for Flacco. We can't do any worse than last year and heck Flacco should be able to play like Peyton Manning by now since he's getting paid like him.

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Somebody who will go up and catch a freaking pass with their hands. Tired of seeing deep balls go off of shoulder pads because a receiver is playing it like a punt.

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Ozzie revealed to us in the presser exactly what kind of receiver they're going to target. They want a WR with sure hands, who can convert on 3rd downs; which means he has to be able to get separation, and - that is strong enough to take a hit and gain some YAC (yards after catch). Now I know some on this board are using process of elimination to suggest that a shifty, smaller Wes Welker type is the obvious choice to what our WR corp is lacking - but that couldn't be further from the truth.

 

What we need to compliment our Speed is a tough, over-the-middle, physical presence who can contend for catches, act as a true #1 possession WR and be a difference a maker. Like:

 

-Vincent Jackson

-Brandon Marshal

-Antonio Brown 

-Aj Green

-Demayrius Thomas

 

I've spent a lot of time studying this years WR draft prospects, free agency, and other teams salary cap situations in order to provide some sort of insight as to who we could go after. The player that makes the most sense to me given all the financial factors and compensation that would have to be given up, is: 1st round draft prospect Mike Evans. Definitely a big time playmaker and @ 6'5'' 220 lbs he plays fierce, his hands are made of glue and his game is completely based around physicality. He would be the perfect compliment to Torrey Smith and Marlon Brown and he would immediately become a go to option for Joe Flacco. Love this guy.

 

Other players we could target (and highly unlikely) would have to come through trade because as of right now, I just don't see that many WRs in free agency that both Ozzie and Harbaugh would be overly enthusiastic to have.

 

So thru unlikely trades:

 

Larry Fitzgerald (30). The Cards are in really, really bad shape cap-wise and the way his contract is structured they're going to have no other choice but to release him after next season. The problem with trading for him now though is two-fold, 1) the compensation that would have to be given up and 2) his contract would have to be cleverly restructure because he's due crazy $$ in base salaries for the remainder of his career do to all the restructuring he's done.

 

Andre Johnson (33). The Texans are really tight in cap space as well and the only way for them to get around it is by releasing players. But when it comes to Andre Johnson the only way to save cap is by restructuring his deal and then trading him. Releasing him outright saves them less than a mill for this year and they're at a point where they cant keep pushing money into the future without it coming back to haunt them, so further restructuring seems unlikely.. There's no incentive for them to get rid of a great player if they don't have to. However, the pending years of his contract will inevitably force them to part ways with him sooner rather than later. So now might be the best time to recoup as much value as they can while he's still a productive player. But, similar to Fitzgerald, his contract is another nightmare to take on because of all the restructuring he's done in the past. I don't know the in's-and-out's of how trading players work, or if there are ways to work around that kind of thing but a new deal with him would no doubt ensure that an aging Andre Johnson (33yr) would be on our team for at least the next 2-3 years with the final years coming at a hefty price both $$ and cap wise. But he is Andre Johnson so....

 

Vincent Jackson (30). Being that he plays for a crappy team like the Bucs this is more plausible than feasible but none the less it's a possibility. He just signed a huge contract in 2012 which keeps him in Tampa for the next 3 years. Essentially, we would have to give up draft picks for the rights to pay him a ton of $$. Only way he's on our team is if we're willing to pay $8+ mill for every year he's here in addition to giving up picks (or Suggs wink wink).

 

Free Agent-wise there's:

 

Jimmy Graham (1% chance there)

Hakeem Nicks (has never played a full 16 games in any season and he's looking for a big contract)

Kenny Britt (has never really done anything other than flash potential, look up his numbers they're shocking)

Malcom Floyd...

Eric Decker :/ (we already have our version of him in Dennis Pitta)

 

Slim pickings.  

 

Aside from Sammy Watkins, the draft has two WRs that I think could come in right away and fill the role we're looking for:  Mike Evans (personal choice) he compares well to Vincent Jackson. And Marques Lee (really really like his game) he compares exactly to Antonio Brown. Watch his games and tell me that isn't Antiono Brown playing in a Trojans uniform

 

But my bet is in the end we find another free agent steal that as usual no one expects to be as good as he winds up being. Anyway here's rooting for Mike Evans!

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To have another 6'5 - 6'6 WR with 4.4-.4.5 speed, great hands and previous college basketball experience so that he can win jump ball situations. that would pull the double teams off Torrey and allow him to blow the top off like hes used to.

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This is my guy.

 

+ add a shifty, quick, (could be undersized, don't care), yet tough slot  guy in the late rounds.

 

 

yup... I feel you bro!

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I want two type of WRs added to this team "this" year. First and foremost I want a Derrick Mason type WR added. A guy that can get open against any coverage and has great hands. He's tough and comes up in the biggest moments. Most people will say a Boldin type because he's the most recent WR to really have success here, but having a Mason type guy is just as good. I think you're more likely to find a Mason type then a physical Boldin type because those types aren't around much. Physical and a strong route runner is rare.

 

The 2nd type of guy I want added is a strong outside guy who can really take over a game. We've never really had that type guy. I've always wanted a Marshall Vincent Jackson, Calvin Johnson, Fitz, Bowe type WR on this team and TO was the closest we came to it. Boldin has the potential to take over games but he has to be used the right way. I want a guy who teams come into a game scared to death to match up with and have to account for ways to stop him all week.

 

I actually think we can come away with both these type of guys in this draft. Also think Aaron Mellete can be that Mason type WR. I also want to find a really good inline TE in this draft and make teams really fear the weapons we have on offense. I get sick to my stomach to see the type of talent that a guy like Andy Dalton or Matt Ryan has and wonder what we could do with that type of offense.

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Evans in the first, and then cooks in the 2nd or 3rd.. Not sure which round he's projected in. Then we get a slot guy and a second big body jump ball man to scare defenses when he lines up opposite maroon brown. Evans obviously is a bigger stronger and better catching version but 2 guys at 6'5" with a massive catch radius is enough to scare a defense, add a top 5 deep threat in Torrey, and an elite possession type guy in pitta, and a possible huge playmaker in the YAC dept if we could also get cooks, then BOY OH BOY we'd have a we corps incredible enough to make us cry when our passing game fails every week due to no pass protection. That being said, I think we should address offensive weapons HEAVILY in this draft and hope for a healthy KO, a respectfully productive rick Wagner, and hope for a cheap stop gap veteran center. Dream scenario I know but it actually is possible with the wizard of oz calling the shots. If we can fill just 1 hole on the o line before April then this should be a VERY exciting draft, we finally get to see some splash players in the first instead of conservative picks and trade backs!

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We need a big slot guy who can go across the middle as hard as a tight end but has the reliable hands of a wide receiver. We need the guy who plays the role that Q and Pitta play as the 3rd down reliable player. Smith is great on the huge bomb throws and Brown is just not that reliable WR yet. So we need that guy who Flacco can go through when a play seems to fall apart.

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To have another 6'5 - 6'6 WR with 4.4-.4.5 speed, great hands and previous college basketball experience so that he can win jump ball situations. that would pull the double teams off Torrey and allow him to blow the top off like hes used to.

This isn't a shot at you, but those aren't the easiest to find.  I would all love that, but for me the height, physicality and reliable hands would be enough for now.  Decent route running would help too and the speed would just put him over the top.

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This isn't a shot at you, but those aren't the easiest to find.  I would all love that, but for me the height, physicality and reliable hands would be enough for now.  Decent route running would help too and the speed would just put him over the top.

I agree, I was drinking the Mike Evans Coolaid to hard when I wrote that lol. I seriously think Lee would be a better fit. Two elite speedsters in Lee and Smith would do a lot for that offense and Lee's elusiveness will open up the D enough for Smith to hit home deep a few times in the game.

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I agree, I was drinking the Mike Evans Coolaid to hard when I wrote that lol. I seriously think Lee would be a better fit. Two elite speedsters in Lee and Smith would do a lot for that offense and Lee's elusiveness will open up the D enough for Smith to hit home deep a few times in the game.

I'm not sold on Lee, he dropped 12% of the catchable passes thrown at him last season. We already have a problem with drops from our receivers.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metrics

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Aha! So you use the titans.....how could you lol? :laff :laff

 

nah i always trade for him in online franchise lol.

or scoop him up  if the titans release him hahahha

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I'm not sold on Lee, he dropped 12% of the catchable passes thrown at him last season. We already have a problem with drops from our receivers.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metrics

 

good read.

 

lee would be an underneath WR , probaly a slot guy.

Benjamin seems to be the most all round guy.

Evans seems to be the best coming back towards the QB but doesent seem to be fit for the slot.

watkins would be useless since we dont use WR screens lol.

 

Benjamin and Evans  would be outside WRs and probaly move torrey inside.

lee would probaly be the closest to a welker role.

he does have the highest drop rate but from what i read most drops came on go routes and we already have torrey who can do those.

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A true slot WR, Torrey's speed and size on the outside mixed with Marlon's even bigger size are quite potent on their own. If we could get Flacco a TE and a slot WR to move the chains on third down, Marlon and Torrey would be very effective. 

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The next "Q"! Catch, YAC, block down field physical. A lot of good players put forth in this post. One of them is the answer, keep putting them out there and we will all see. We need a Raven!!

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