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What kind of WR do you want?

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I want a reliable playmaker that will go up and get the ball.  If they have speed so be it, but someone who when they are one on one, Joe feels comfortable lobbing one up to them and knowing they will either come down with it or knock it from the defender.  Wouldn't hurt either if they could play inside our out.  Is that asking too much? 

 

I blame the Cowboys for us not having Dez...

 

 

I also don't see us just taking one WR.  If we do, I see us taking a TE early as well and still looking again in a later round.

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Good question. We've got our burner, Torrey Smith, to stretch the field. Marlon Brown is pretty much another T.J. Houshmandzadeh IMO, a possession receiver and redzone weapon. Jacoby, I don't see coming back. Missing from our group is a quick receiver ala Andrew Hawkins/Wes Welker and one who is physical ala Anquan Boldin/Brandon Marshall.

You said it all about our needs in WR...

 

But we need a better OC who can help those guys excel....

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Good question. We've got our burner, Torrey Smith, to stretch the field. Marlon Brown is pretty much another T.J. Houshmandzadeh IMO, a possession receiver and redzone weapon. Jacoby, I don't see coming back. Missing from our group is a quick receiver ala Andrew Hawkins/Wes Welker and one who is physical ala Anquan Boldin/Brandon Marshall.

 

I want a reliable playmaker that will go up and get the ball.  If they have speed so be it, but someone who when they are one on one, Joe feels comfortable lobbing one up to them and knowing they will either come down with it or knock it from the defender.  Wouldn't hurt either if they could play inside our out.  Is that asking too much? 

 

I blame the Cowboys for us not having Dez...

 

 

I also don't see us just taking one WR.  If we do, I see us taking a TE early as well and still looking again in a later round.

I know he's not on a par with Boldin, Marshall or Bryant, but I'm really hoping that Mellette could be that guy for us. He's got the body type and hands to be physical.

 

Maybe it's just wishful thinking...I'm a sucker for the small school and late round success stories.

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I want receiver that is crafty route runner, plays aggressive, try to get open no matter what, that's consistently on the same page with the quarterback, fight for the ball and eventually catches it,a solid blocker, and a leader . The ravens haven't had that since Mason  and receiver doesn't have to 6'3" or 6'5" to have these traits

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One that has the athleticism and speed of Randy Moss, with the hands of Cris Carter, and the toughness of Anquan Boldin, and the route running and dedication to detail of Jerry Rice. He should also have the ability to generate multiple clone versions of himself that all operate in unison with one brain. And those clones should also be able to double their body mass and play offensive line as needed

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I'm torn. One part of me wants us to get the big, fast beast like Evans, Benjamin or even Coleman(project) who could be around in the second round. The other part wants a compact, quick, tough possession type guy that can move the chains like Beckham or Cook.

How about both? :D

The bigger need seems to be in the slot. The OP is right. We are missing that quick possession type guy that seems to be the common thread for big passing game success.

problem is, if we had a guy like Welker, we would send him on 15 yard posts 80% of the time.

it is true that we need a guy who can move the chains, but let's say we get Evans or Benjamin. we could play him and Torrey outside, and Pitta and Marlon can be our short yardage/middle of the field guys...assuming of course, that we add a few quick passes to the offense other than dump it off to Rice

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One that has the athleticism and speed of Randy Moss, with the hands of Cris Carter, and the toughness of Anquan Boldin, and the route running and dedication to detail of Jerry Rice. He should also have the ability to generate multiple clone versions of himself that all operate in unison with one brain. And those clones should also be able to double their body mass and play offensive line as needed

I guess it would be asking too much if he could also get some YAC, since none of our current guys do it with any regularity. :D

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It's simple. We need a Brandon Marshall/Alshon Jeffrey sized guy. Speed isn't my main concern. I feel we need a guy who can go up and high point the ball over defenders. And, most importantly, a guy with good hands to catch the ball. These guys don't grow on trees, but this is what we need. 

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A huge, strong guy who can play Center.

 

Priorities, people.

 

Adding more pass-catching talent is the bigger priority. Gino was poor for most of the year but the FO will undoubtedly bring in some competition for him. They don't have to invest a first round pick in one though.  

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Someone with strong hands and is a hands catcher!

 

I do not really care about size-- it could be someone built like Boldin/Dez/Decker/Crabtree (strong, big, physical), Marshall/Jeffery (tall, athletic), Derrick Mason/Kendall Wright (smaller, quick), or Reqqie Wayne/Jordy Nelson (well rounded).

 

As long as they catch the ball well, come back to the ball and attack it, and is someone Joe can trust in all situations. They will all get open in their own ways. I think we have the potential to be balanced enough with Pitta, Torrey and Marlon, thus any style I think will find a spot. If there is anything I do prefer is if they have experience on the outside as I love both Marlon and Pitta inside.

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It's simple. We need a Brandon Marshall/Alshon Jeffrey sized guy. Speed isn't my main concern. I feel we need a guy who can go up and high point the ball over defenders. And, most importantly, a guy with good hands to catch the ball. These guys don't grow on trees, but this is what we need. 

 

OT: I thought this was Pitta?? Oh, oh... my bad. Pitta's value is complete OVERRATED.

 

Sorry, I had to go there.

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Adding more pass-catching talent is the bigger priority. Gino was poor for most of the year but the FO will undoubtedly bring in some competition for him. They don't have to invest a first round pick in one though.  

No it isn't. It doesnt matter who the wr's are if the line sucks and the playcalling is vanilla.

There are plenty of teams that would kill with our receivers. Patriots have played with scraps and probably double the Ravens offensive output

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A huge, strong guy who can play Center.

 

Priorities, people.

 

 

Adding more pass-catching talent is the bigger priority. Gino was poor for most of the year but the FO will undoubtedly bring in some competition for him. They don't have to invest a first round pick in one though.  

 

 

I agree that we may be able to find a center/O lineman somewhere other than the first round of the draft, but fixing the O line is PRIORITY ONE, not only for the pass game, but the run as well and the offense as a whole. Any other needs take a back seat.

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I agree that we may be able to find a center/O lineman somewhere other than the first round of the draft, but fixing the O line is PRIORITY ONE, not only for the pass game, but the run as well and the offense as a whole. Any other needs take a back seat.

 

I'm not placing upgrading at pass-catcher above the entire o-line but if we're breaking down individual positions, I'd definitely say finding a play-maker at WR or TE is above C. 

 

Monroe being re-signed/franchised and Osemele returning healthy will be huge. I'm interested to see how the team will address center and finding a RT will be huge too but those positions are arguably easier to upgrade or at least patch up than WR. 

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I'm not placing upgrading at pass-catcher above the entire o-line but if we're breaking down individual positions, I'd definitely say finding a play-maker at WR or TE is above C. 

 

Monroe being re-signed/franchised and Osemele returning healthy will be huge. I'm interested to see how the team will address center and finding a RT will be huge too but those positions are arguably easier to upgrade or at least patch up than WR. 

 

Though it'd be nice to have another WR, evaluating them has not been a strength of the Ravens coaching/scouting staff. I would much rather bring in a FA like Hakeem Nicks than risking a high pick on a WR.

 

The OLine is nothing without strong communication between the Center and Guard. Monroe was a top 10 LT in Jacksonville with a horrid LG and Center. This past year, he proved himself to be above average considering starting next to two of the *worst* linemen in the NFL, Shipley and Gino.

 

The priority should be a C/RT, then FS, then WR.

 

I agree that we may be able to find a center/O lineman somewhere other than the first round of the draft, but fixing the O line is PRIORITY ONE, not only for the pass game, but the run as well and the offense as a whole. Any other needs take a back seat.

 

Yup. This is the reason we won the SB last year, and the reason we aren't in the playoffs this year.

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Though it'd be nice to have another WR, evaluating them has not been a strength of the Ravens coaching/scouting staff. I would much rather bring in a FA like Hakeem Nicks than risking a high pick on a WR.

 

The OLine is nothing without strong communication between the Center and Guard. Monroe was a top 10 LT in Jacksonville with a horrid LG and Center. This past year, he proved himself to be above average considering starting next to two of the *worst* linemen in the NFL, Shipley and Gino.

 

The priority should be a C/RT, then FS, then WR.

 

I disagree. The failures of past WRs weren't strictly an evaluation problem. QB play, scheme and veterans WR being consistently brought in have hindered the progress of young WRs. I don't see how you let past failures dictate what you do in the present. Torrey has developed (maybe not to the degree some would like but he's still a solid WR nonetheless) and the team got more production from a UDFA WR in their history. I highly doubt the team makes a play for Nicks. They've never thrown money at FA WRs and even coming off a down year, he could easily get over-paid. 

 

Again, I think the team can find solid centers and certainly a RT in FA or later in the draft. Same applies to FS. Improving the o-line overall is priority but the offense has lacked multiple pass-catching weapons for too long. That needs to change. 

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a RT can be found in the 2nd round and a C as well or later.

we have ryan jensen who for some reason must have been kept on the 53 man rosten even though he was injured.

 

1st round should be an upgrade at a skill position IMO.

either WR or TE or CB/FS is a stud is there.

 

i still believe the o-line wasent as bad as it looked and most issues where scheme related.

it was basicially the same players that played together on that SB run.

ofcourse health issues played a part.

 

Monroe osemele yanda are solid and perhaps with a full year experience starting gino can take the next step.

we should not already throw him away since C is a difficult position to be good at as well...

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This isn't a "who do you want us to get thread"? Rather a what kind of WR do you think WR should get?

WR is a huge need(duh). But what kind? Some will say possession WR(Boldin esq dude. Matthews, Nicks) Others will say big body WR. (Cooper, Benjamin, Evans, Barden), some will say playmaker(Lee, Watkins, Beckham).

Me? Well what do Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Brady all have in common.

They have a tough slot WR that will go over the middle and take a hit, but still have the chance to make a big play afterwards.

I think we are missing a little quickie slot WR, and it's obvious Marlon can't be that.

I may have us getting Beckham Jr, but I'm also an advocate for us getting a Hawkins, a Brandin Cooks. A little out WR.

Hopefully we can nab a cheap FA..someone like Julian Edelman would be perfect. 

 

I could also see James Jones thrive in our offense, he is a playmaker with some talent.

 

Then look to attack the draft hard for receivers: Mike Evans, Marqise Lee, or Jace Amaro with our 1st pick. 

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OT: I thought this was Pitta?? Oh, oh... my bad. Pitta's value is complete OVERRATED.

 

Sorry, I had to go there.

 

Pitta is a TE, an inside presence. He's a very solid security blanket for Flacco, that can't even be disputed. What I'm talking about is an outside, vertical receiver. Very different, and an odd place to bash Pitta, to be honest. 

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Mike Evans Texas A&M 6'4 220... Big physical wide out great hands.... #3 wideout superstar in the making

Late pick   Jeremy Gallon Michigan .....speed great route runner and can get separation

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Pitta is a TE, an inside presence. He's a very solid security blanket for Flacco, that can't even be disputed. What I'm talking about is an outside, vertical receiver. Very different, and an odd place to bash Pitta, to be honest. 

 

I hear you. My point is that the team has the qualities that you / we look in a WR in Pitta. However, I think Pitta is not much more than a more athletic version of Kelly Washington.-  A TE that can't block. - A WR that can't outmatch/outrun/overwhelm you. I truly don't see what Pitta does that Marlon Brown can't do besides be Flacco's besty.

 

I agree with you; I just had to stir the pot. I couldn't resist.

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Mike Evans Texas A&M 6'4 220... Big physical wide out great hands.... #3 wideout superstar in the making

Late pick   Jeremy Gallon Michigan .....speed great route runner and can get separation

 

This is my guy.

 

+ add a shifty, quick, (could be undersized, don't care), yet tough slot  guy in the late rounds.

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How about a hard hat, hard hitter that is in the mold of Anquan Boldin? Not just a clutch receiver but one that will block down field to free up some more yards for Joe, Ray, etc.... A blue collar lunch pail type. An I just want to play football type. Just a thought.

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