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Keep WRs Smith and Brown, cut everyone else and start anew (what do you think?)

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(Just the WR core were talking about here)

Would replacing the majority of the WR roster help our passing game? I know our biggest issue comes along the Oline but think about this:

The most common issue was that WRs were not able to get separation - coverage sacks are not the fault of the Oline, its the WRs.

In addition, Deonte was a great option but never able to stay on the field due to the injury bug - and last year had not really proved himself to be a consistent down field threat either.

JJ, who makes great a return man, have not turned his ability into enough game changing plays this season to really deserve a #2 spot(or any spot higher than #3 really.

Doss exploded for a few games and then fizzled out. In addition, I never really saw the consistent hands the coaches raved about in training camp. - Too many drops since the SB to really have trust in him.

Stokley is retiring so there is not much to say there. - Great man, great career, sometimes you just gotta know when to hang them up.

Would it be that far off that via the draft and FA that we replace these spots with more suitable WRs that can get Flacco to the point in which he can be that QB we expected to come along with that 120M price tag? What say you Ravens nation?

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I think Doss is an asset to have in transition. Let a more talented player beat him out. However, I would wipe the slate unless the coaching slate is swiped.

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Jacoby deserves to stay but, you're right, only at a #3 role. He was a much better option this past year than any other one, from what I've seen of him.

 

Before going all-in with Marlon, I'd like to see him do it again. He was excellent but we've seen young guys fizzle out - Williams, Moore - or just never improve - Clayton. He was worlds ahead of any of those guys at this stage but there is still that possibility plus he has a history of injuries.

 

There probably are not too many realistic options to upgrade over him - not unless we draft a guy in the 1st or spend big money on a FA, which I don't think will happen.

 

Doss could probably stay as a reserve and he has ST experience

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I'm sorry the main reason why our wideouts couldn't get separation was because our offensive coordinator suck when it came to calling creative or non predictable passing plays. Torrey Smith, Marlon Brown, Jacoby Jones, Tandon Doss, and Deonte Thompson in my opinion would have been much better  if our offensive coordinator would had called better passing plays.

 

The Ravens can decide to sign a better receiver  or draft  a good receiver but in the end they will most likely receive the Boldin treatment. The Boldin treatment to me is a wideout that  makes plays  here and there but never produce like  he should because he not being used right( San Francisco have shown us that Boldin was not used properly). None of our receivers are being use in a way to maximize their abilities and it's quite sad but for some reason  they still are the problem which to me doesn't make sense.

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I would love to see Jacoby stay and try to keep consistent targets for Joe .  I would love for the fo to  get Boldin back , if he agrees to it. IF ozzie is going to use a high pick not a developmental wideout then why not trim the fat . if he is going to draft more ir players no thanks . how about new coaches . wr;s has been an issue for a very long time we are atrocious at developing young wideouts

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(Just the WR core were talking about here)

Would replacing the majority of the WR roster help our passing game? I know our biggest issue comes along the Oline but think about this:

The most common issue was that WRs were not able to get separation - coverage sacks are not the fault of the Oline, its the WRs.

In addition, Deonte was a great option but never able to stay on the field due to the injury bug - and last year had not really proved himself to be a consistent down field threat either.

JJ, who makes great a return man, have not turned his ability into enough game changing plays this season to really deserve a #2 spot(or any spot higher than #3 really.

Doss exploded for a few games and then fizzled out. In addition, I never really saw the consistent hands the coaches raved about in training camp. - Too many drops since the SB to really have trust in him.

Stokley is retiring so there is not much to say there. - Great man, great career, sometimes you just gotta know when to hang them up.

Would it be that far off that via the draft and FA that we replace these spots with more suitable WRs that can get Flacco to the point in which he can be that QB we expected to come along with that 120M price tag? What say you Ravens nation?

With all due respect, this post is absurd! How long did it take 1st round pick Mike Crabtree to become a stud? You don't just cut your whole offense. Once the O-line is fixed the Wr will look better. When you have no run game, it's not hard for the D to know what is coming at them!

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Yes, it's time to cut ties with all of these underachievers. We need to learn our lesson and stop taking guys in the middle rounds and hoping our horrible coaches can develop them. We have never developed a mid round-late round WR... EVER!!!! Marlon is the closest, and he is far from a complete receiver. Its partly the players and partly the coaches.... But I think it's time to move on. There is a plethora of talent at the WR position in the draft, and we could defiantly use an upgrade.

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Besides Torrey and Marlon, I do think Jacoby should be re-signed. Say what you will about him, but he is always a big play away from making a touchdown when he has the ball in his hands. I think he was even more effective than Torrey when a deep ball was thrown to him. I also think Mellette is a wildcard to make the team. I liked what I saw last pre-season. It's probably unrealistic that we draft Mike Evans, but I'd love for that to happen. With the last WR spot going to a good special teams player, I honestly think that could be a good WR corps. And I agree with jazz1988. I think the WRs would've looked much better with a more creative and inventive OC. There is still potential to have a great offense if the O-Line can be fixed.

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It all depends on free agency/draft - Jacoby is a valuable asset as a number 3 WR/return man, but that's all - if some team wants to pay him starter money I don't think the Ravens will match it.  The others are decent depth/ST, but as with any player, getting rid of them means you have to have a viable alternative in place.  For instance, in the case of our TEs, whether we resign Pitta or not, I suspect neither Dickson nor Clark will be on this team next year, necessitating us drafting or signing at least one.  It's all well and good so say "all of our receivers suck, lets replace them" but it's not something I feel you can do in the course of one offseason.  Certainly my hope is that there will be at least one promising young prospect at both the receiver and tight end position next year, but these things take time.  For instance, Green Bay's current roster includes 7 years worth of draft investments.

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So in this thread's logic:

1) We are cutting every WR on the team

2) Trading with SF to get Boldin back

3) Keeping Doss

Most of these players were on the team last year (Brown is the exception). We cut a number of WR this pre-season, Streeter being one.

To effectively dispatch our entire WR corps we would need money. We are already struggling with the cap. What is the proposal? Cut all of the WR, turn away Leach, Koch, and Suggs and use the money to bring in a new group.

Save the drastic cuts. Invest in the offensive line and see what this useless WR are capable of when their QB has a solid pocket to throw from. Forget all about the impact the O Line will have on the running game. From a solid running threat we develop a nasty play action pass.

Or just fire the entire WR group and hope that the table scrap group we bring in is better.

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It all depends on free agency/draft - Jacoby is a valuable asset as a number 3 WR/return man, but that's all - if some team wants to pay him starter money I don't think the Ravens will match it.  The others are decent depth/ST, but as with any player, getting rid of them means you have to have a viable alternative in place.  For instance, in the case of our TEs, whether we resign Pitta or not, I suspect neither Dickson nor Clark will be on this team next year, necessitating us drafting or signing at least one.  It's all well and good so say "all of our receivers suck, lets replace them" but it's not something I feel you can do in the course of one offseason.  Certainly my hope is that there will be at least one promising young prospect at both the receiver and tight end position next year, but these things take time.  For instance, Green Bay's current roster includes 7 years worth of draft investments.

Totally agree; we can wait until August to make release decisions. We will likely have Pitta, Furstenburg, and hopefully Amaro or Ebron. At WR -- Torrey, Marlon, Aaron, Doss and Thompson, maybe Jacoby, plus (hopefully) a 2nd round draft pick. Add in PS and UdFAs and the coaches//FO will have their release options.

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This is something you wait until training camp to do. I don't think there's much question that Jacoby won't be back. You're left with Thompson, Mellette, and maybe Doss. Why cut them now? They're all cheap labor in NFL terms. If they don't work out in training camp, you cut them at little to no cost.

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If Jacoby didn't ask for too much like more than he is paid right now, then I think we can keep him for ST and #3 WR.

 

The rest will be tested in the training camp...

 

We need to draft good OT, WR, and TE....

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This is something you wait until training camp to do. I don't think there's much question that Jacoby won't be back. You're left with Thompson, Mellette, and maybe Doss. Why cut them now? They're all cheap labor in NFL terms. If they don't work out in training camp, you cut them at little to no cost.

Doss isn't under our control, I don't think, since we cut him and brought him back.  He's an URFA

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Doss isn't under our control, I don't think, since we cut him and brought him back.  He's an URFA

 

That's why I threw the maybe in front of him.  Even if we bring him back, it's going to be for very cheap with little, if any, guaranteed money.

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Yes, it's time to cut ties with all of these underachievers. We need to learn our lesson and stop taking guys in the middle rounds and hoping our horrible coaches can develop them. We have never developed a mid round-late round WR... EVER!!!! Marlon is the closest, and he is far from a complete receiver. Its partly the players and partly the coaches.... But I think it's time to move on. There is a plethora of talent at the WR position in the draft, and we could defiantly use an upgrade.

 

After watching the whole offense go down the tube including the OL, RBs, QB, and WRs, I think it's more of a coaching problem.

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After watching the whole offense go down the tube including the OL, RBs, QB, and WRs, I think it's more of a coaching problem.

If the offensive line is a bust, the team is a bust. Everything starts with the front five. They suck the whole team sucks.

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With all due respect, this post is absurd! How long did it take 1st round pick Mike Crabtree to become a stud? You don't just cut your whole offense. Once the O-line is fixed the Wr will look better. When you have no run game, it's not hard for the D to know what is coming at them!

I get what your saying to a point but:

The Oline can only be blamed for so much. a good portion of those sacks Flacco got were coverage sacks, which means even when the Oline held up, which I admitt was not as often as they should, the WR were still not getting open, causing Flacco to eat it or throw up picks. And as much as I would love to agree with you about Crabtree, lets not forget hes not doing it all on his own. Vernon Davis is one of if not the most dangerous vertical TEs in the game, Gore can be even more of a threat on the ground, Bodlin can still win one on ones even in tight coverage, and Kap can freeze any defense with his legs. So im sorry but your logic is a bit off. If Crabtree was the only consistent weapon on that team, the 49ers would not be in the playoffs.

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Whoever is brought in, the play-calling has to improve. PFF just released an article on screens during the regular season. The team got 102 yards off RB screens, good for a respectable 13th. How did they do in WR yards? An embarrassing 34th out of 38 QBs that threw the rock. The team got 24 screen yards from WRs. 

 

Torrey isn't a YAC beast like Demaryius Thomas or Dez Bryant but he's more than capable of picking up yards after the catch. Same goes Jacoby and even Marlon.   

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So in this thread's logic:

1) We are cutting every WR on the team

2) Trading with SF to get Boldin back

3) Keeping Doss

Most of these players were on the team last year (Brown is the exception). We cut a number of WR this pre-season, Streeter being one.

To effectively dispatch our entire WR corps we would need money. We are already struggling with the cap. What is the proposal? Cut all of the WR, turn away Leach, Koch, and Suggs and use the money to bring in a new group.

Save the drastic cuts. Invest in the offensive line and see what this useless WR are capable of when their QB has a solid pocket to throw from. Forget all about the impact the O Line will have on the running game. From a solid running threat we develop a nasty play action pass.

Or just fire the entire WR group and hope that the table scrap group we bring in is better.

.....continue wasting band width here.......

Im looking and....................nope, no where in the threat was it mentioned to release ALL our WRs, just the ones not named Marlon Brown and Torrey Smith. I can understand the OLine issue but to a certain extent. I can even understand the coaches being to blame but when you go a whole season and almost every game you hear a commentator mention how the WRs don't get separation, sometimes you just have to come to terms that the bench players and reserve guys are not doing their job. 2014 is loaded with WR talent all over the board and honestly, we can find another return man, a #2, and potentially a cheap #4 and #5 in FA. We need to stop kicking the dead horse, these guys shine for a game or two and then go stat AWOL afterwards. Sorry but cannot see your point on this one.

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The point is financially this idea will not work. How do you realistically expect to dismiss the majority of our WR corp and pay for it? Who are you going to bring in to do better? An entire rookie class consisting of players deeper and deeper in the draft? Can't afford a big name WR and additional replacements. Would like to see these drastic ideas discussed with some realization that financially they can not be done.

Agreed- the post did mention saving Brown and Smith. This board is unglued with inane ideas of drastic cuts and firings right now. We are not even dethroned yet as reigning SUPER BOWL champs, and fan after fan is calling for gutting the team.

Remain calm, accept a bad season, and trust that it is not the norm. Drastic measures like the one outlined in this point just are not the Raven's way.

Does that explain my intention?

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I would love to see Jacoby stay and try to keep consistent targets for Joe .  I would love for the fo to  get Boldin back , if he agrees to it. IF ozzie is going to use a high pick not a developmental wideout then why not trim the fat . if he is going to draft more ir players no thanks . how about new coaches . wr;s has been an issue for a very long time we are atrocious at developing young wideouts

Thats the thing though, a lot of these guys are not rookies, they were here last year and still had the same issues. Doss dropped passes in the SB, Deonte cannot seem to stay off IR, and Jones is a big play threat but compared to the production he provides outside of KR and PR, its not worth his current salary. Besides, De'Anthony Thomas could drop to us in the draft and he would be much cheaper and younger, and faster then our own dragonfly.

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Whoever is brought in, the play-calling has to improve. PFF just released an article on screens during the regular season. The team got 102 yards off RB screens, good for a respectable 13th. How did they do in WR yards? An embarrassing 34th out of 38 QBs that threw the rock. The team got 24 screen yards from WRs. 

 

Torrey isn't a YAC beast like Demaryius Thomas or Dez Bryant but he's more than capable of picking up yards after the catch. Same goes Jacoby and even Marlon.

Jeremy Macklin could be a cheap choice since he is coming off of injury. He is a solid WR that can excel off screens, crossing routes, and the deep 9. Having him and Torrey as our 1 and 2, along with JJ, Marlon, and potentially a draft pick player as our slot guy would give us a serious boost.

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Would like to see us draft Mike Evans or even Sammy Watkins, though the latter is more doubtful to be available at our position. If we got Evans, he could be the answer at our third swinging door receiving spot, and he adds something different than the skillset speedsters like Jacoby and Torrey have. We need a possession receiver.

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Jeremy Macklin could be a cheap choice since he is coming off of injury. He is a solid WR that can excel off screens, crossing routes, and the deep 9. Having him and Torrey as our 1 and 2, along with JJ, Marlon, and potentially a draft pick player as our slot guy would give us a serious boost.

Word is Maclin is heading back to Philly.

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Thats the thing though, a lot of these guys are not rookies, they were here last year and still had the same issues. Doss dropped passes in the SB, Deonte cannot seem to stay off IR, and Jones is a big play threat but compared to the production he provides outside of KR and PR, its not worth his current salary. Besides, De'Anthony Thomas could drop to us in the draft and he would be much cheaper and younger, and faster then our own dragonfly.

this post is not going to go over well  but here goes. I do not trust the fo to draft a  top wide receiver . aren't we up to like 20 and torrey had his first 1000 pus year, and no one else has. doss I think we can let go . I would like to see Mellette see what he has. I also think we need better coaches  wr and oc . cam was here  the offense was plain vanilla conservative, we change to caldwell and get the same thing how is that even possible. Look at how  the niners use boldin,,,, Jacoby is a favorite of mine but if we can find a better returner cheaper perhaps one with better hands,, then I'm all for it  we definitely have to resign Pitta . we saw life without him. this is my first year not following college and I'm not up to speed with options. but will ozzie pick the one who can start day one or one we have to stash on ir  like all the rest.  

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I get what your saying to a point but:

The Oline can only be blamed for so much. a good portion of those sacks Flacco got were coverage sacks, which means even when the Oline held up, which I admitt was not as often as they should, the WR were still not getting open, causing Flacco to eat it or throw up picks. And as much as I would love to agree with you about Crabtree, lets not forget hes not doing it all on his own. Vernon Davis is one of if not the most dangerous vertical TEs in the game, Gore can be even more of a threat on the ground, Bodlin can still win one on ones even in tight coverage, and Kap can freeze any defense with his legs. So im sorry but your logic is a bit off. If Crabtree was the only consistent weapon on that team, the 49ers would not be in the playoffs.

My logic is Run the ball better to open up the pass! I just used Crab as an example!

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