RB coach Wilbert Montgomery leaving

[Gordo52]

Please Gord, let that be true.

I'll try my best. ;)

[SizzleSuggs55]

Call me an optimist, but I don't think he'll be the only one who goes this offseason. I can't see us making a flurry of personnel changes (unlike a certain team in Ohio), but I do think the FO knows something big needs to happen. Wouldn't be surprised if they were waiting to see what was happening re Caldwell and Castillo.

 

Then again, I don't think our rushing problems really stemmed from our RBs techniques. I could well see Montgomery being a scapegoat or him just being sick of working as an RBs coach. There's a lot going on that we don't know about.

Exactly. It's really hard to try to understand the inner dealings of the franchise. Montgomery looks like the scapegoat but who really knows?

[jazz1988]

Tbh the only guy I'd like to see brought in as an OC at this point is Chudzinski. Wouldn't be opposed to Norv at all, but it sounds like Cleveland's waiting to see what the new boss thinks of him before dipping into their supplies of pink paper again.

 

And if they do hire McDaniel and target Manziel in the draft, I could see them moving on from Norv too. I understand your point, but I don't think we need to stress just yet.

 

 Chud to my understand runs a offense just as similar to the one the ravens ran last year and this  goes for Norv as well. I know they better play callers but it's getting tiresome to see vertical routes used 90% of the time

[Jillester]

VontaLeach44 ‏@vleach44
I hate it for coach that he looks like the fall guy for our running game problems. Coach have had pro bowlers for years in the backfield.

Vonta not happy.

 

 

Hegonetoo

 

Yep!  No one puts Leach in a doghouse. 

[Militant X 1]

We could run the ball with Montgomery for years and then Castillo comes in 1 season and we can't run the ball worth a damn for an entire season.  And Montgomery is leaving?  Wow!  It may be his decision to leave but Castillo needs to be FIRED!!  Smh!

 

#Mili

[Inqui]

 Chud to my understand runs a offense just as similar to the one the ravens ran last year and this  goes for Norv as well. I know they better play callers but it's getting tiresome to see vertical routes used 90% of the time

Personally I don't mind the system, and if we go for another Air Coryell kinda guy then that'll make the transition easier. It's just the playcalling and personnel I'm not satisfied with.

 

The playcalling's an easy one - just bring in a different guy who can make better calls based on what how the game's gone and what kind of situation you're in.

 

However, I really think the personnel is something we're missing. Earlier in the week someone posted a quality article on how the Air Coryell works, and when you look at the plays and the key principles of it, we still have some big missing pieces. The idea is to stretch the field vertically, but to stretch them you need some guys who are better at the short and intermediate routes than the guys we have. You also need to use the deep "home run" plays more sparingly than once a drive (which comes back to the caller).

 

But we need to be able to run those 15-yard routes so the defence doesn't get comfortable and start dropping deep safeties on every play. Jacoby's good, but he's likely gone next year (love the guy, but I suspect he'll be a cap casualty) and Marlon isn't too flash with his routes just yet. The point is that the system's struggling to work with what we have and that's huge for any OC.

 

Anyway, I'll leave it at that because we've probably gone far enough off topic. Feel free to quote this in one of the OC threads or take it up in PM. But the bottom line is that, like I said on the first page, I think staff changes are coming. I'd like to stick to our offensive philosophy, but we need better components to make it work.

[T3hRaven]

VontaLeach44 ‏@vleach44
I hate it for coach that he looks like the fall guy for our running game problems. Coach have had pro bowlers for years in the backfield.

Vonta not happy.

 

He can whine all he wants, he won't be on the team next year.

 

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider17m

More changes to Ravens' staff likely, but nothing final yet, per sources. Offensive side of ball expected to be impacted most heavily

 

 

Hostler needs to be next.  Hopefully someone else hires Caldwell and Castillo.  Wouldn't mind jettisoning Moeller either.

[rmw10]

He can whine all he wants, he won't be on the team next year.

 

 

Hostler needs to be next.  Hopefully someone else hires Caldwell and Castillo.  Wouldn't mind jettisoning Moeller either.

 

Blow it up and restart on offensive coaches basically?  I'm on board.

[dhstandard]

I've ignored it before but, if Castillo stays, then it's clear that Harbaugh protects his friends.  I've been liking the guy less and less each year.  Unfortunately I can't tell if our success has anything to do with him or not.

[T3hRaven]

Blow it up and restart on offensive coaches basically?  I'm on board.

 

After that massive failure this last season, it's not the worst idea.

[Gordo52]

Blow it up and restart on offensive coaches basically? I'm on board.

We let go the one coach on offense I wanted to keep. -_-

[rmw10]

After that massive failure this last season, it's not the worst idea.

 

What can it hurt?  I don't see anyone worth keeping at this point.

 

We let go the one coach on offense I wanted to keep. -_-

 

Yeah Montgomery was clearly the scapegoat here.  A guy that had fantastic RB's for 5 straight seasons under Harbaugh doesn't suddenly lose his touch.

[monkeycatt]

Earnest Byner just got let go during the bucs coach cleanup....might he be a viable RB coach? 

[T3hRaven]

Earnest Byner just got let go during the bucs coach cleanup....might he be a viable RB coach? 

 

Is he Harbaugh's friend?

[monkeycatt]

Is he Harbaugh's friend?

not sure but he is a former Raven..lol

[ratedr]

not sure but he is a former Raven..lol

But...is he Harbaugh's friend?

[ellicottraven]

The unfortunate scapegoat to ensure Juan Castillo stays. This kind of game is going to get John Harbaugh fired soon...

[BloodRaven]

Was he fired or did he leave?

[Guest Im An Ozzie Newsome Guy]

I'll wait-and-see who else gets fired before making a real judgment on Wilbert Montgomery's "leave". Although, at the moment, I like to think this is just Montgomery wanting a new challenge, seeing how he's been in Baltimore for a good 6 years, already.

 

He can whine all he wants, he won't be on the team next year.

 

While it's 99.9% likely Leach gets cut to save money, I've been thinking about how Vonta Leach has a chance to wind-up back in Baltimore, albeit at a lower price, simply due to no other team wanting a "true" fullback, anymore...

 

Was he fired or did he leave?

 

The way Harbaugh put it made it seem like it was Montgomery's decision to leave (and he wasn't actually fired): “Wilbert has decided to pursue other coaching and life opportunities...”

[TDubbs]

Apparently, it was his choice...  he is taking on a job that is less demanding and he'll be able to spend more time with family as well.

 

I like to hear that, seems like a good solid family man. Assuming maybe he is taking a college job close to home? Have to respect that. 

[T3hRaven]

The unfortunate scapegoat to ensure Juan Castillo stays. This kind of game is going to get John Harbaugh fired soon...

 

We've got another two years of Harbaugh, at least.

[berad]

I don't think this is Harbaugh - he brought Wilbert in originally. Might this be Caldwell filling in his staff? Or Wilbert really just leaving for something else? Don't know, can't judge.

Either way, sad to see him go. Our RBs, outside of this year, were pretty consistently great with him.

[TDubbs]

The idea is to stretch the field vertically, but to stretch them you need some guys who are better at the short and intermediate routes than the guys we have. You also need to use the deep "home run" plays more sparingly than once a drive (which comes back to the caller).

 

But we need to be able to run those 15-yard routes so the defence doesn't get comfortable and start dropping deep safeties on every play. 

 

Yes, this right here is the key. The Air Coryell System in and of itself it pretty solid in theory. Run the ball effectively, throw some short/intermediate routes for completions, and THEN try and hit the home run play. Far too many times we go for the home run on 1st and 2nd down and find ourselves in 3rd and 10 with terrible odds to convert the down, and zero confidence to do so. 

[jazz1988]

Was he fired or did he leave?

 

Im starting to believe that he left on his own.Wilbert has accomplished a lot here as a ravens coach and even has a super ring maybe he truly feels like starting some where new. He's been here for about six years sometimes things just get old after such a span of time also maybe Wilbert has the desires of being offensive coordinator but know he's not going to get it here.

[Guest Im An Ozzie Newsome Guy]

Might this be Caldwell filling in his staff?

 

I highly doubt this theory, to be honest. It doesn't make sense for Montgomery to leave BEFORE Caldwell gets a head coaching job somewhere, especially since Teryl Austin was the only "rumored" Ravens coach that might go with Caldwell. Plus, it appears Jim Caldwell isn't going to get hired by either the Lions or Redskins, as other names have been linked to those teams since Caldwell was first mentioned.

 

I agree with the theory that Wilbert Montgomery might have left to pursue a new opportunity, however.

[berad]

I highly doubt this theory, to be honest. It doesn't make sense for Montgomery to leave BEFORE Caldwell gets a head coaching job somewhere, especially since Teryl Austin was the only "rumored" Ravens coach that might go with Caldwell. Plus, it appears Jim Caldwell isn't going to get hired by either the Lions or Redskins, as other names have been linked to those teams since Caldwell was first mentioned.

I agree with the theory that Wilbert Montgomery might have left to pursue a new opportunity, however.

I meant that Caldwell told Wilbert to bounce so he could have someone else as our RB coach. I actually had not thought that far ahead. Don't think Caldwell will be an HC this year anyways. God I hope Castillo leaves.

[omar586]

Ravens in need of a coaching change on their offense.

Naturally, they change the wrong coach on their offense.

true

[AsianRice]

I meant that Caldwell told Wilbert to bounce so he could have someone else as our RB coach. I actually had not thought that far ahead. Don't think Caldwell will be an HC this year anyways. God I hope Castillo leaves.

Why would he leave when his friend about to promote him to OC?  It is speculation but we all know about Harbaugh; he keeps saying team, team, team and he still considers his friend over the benefit of the team.  

 

I got a feeling that Castillo will be here couple years.....

[ravensdfan]

Blow it up and restart on offensive coaches basically?  I'm on board.

 

I'm all for this idea as well. Just do it NOW, early, while we have the entire off season to get everyone on board and on the same page.

 

Let's face it, while we've had a good running game for years, overall the offense has never been consistently productive since our inception. We need a new offensive philosophy and it all starts with the coaching staff.

[Guest Omerta]

Yes, this right here is the key. The Air Coryell System in and of itself it pretty solid in theory. Run the ball effectively, throw some short/intermediate routes for completions, and THEN try and hit the home run play. Far too many times we go for the home run on 1st and 2nd down and find ourselves in 3rd and 10 with terrible odds to convert the down, and zero confidence to do so.

Coryell looks for the QB to read from deep to short. They look big play first in passing situations.