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#1 rmw10

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:17 AM

Good news in Ravens land!  It looks like the Ravens will have the option to wait on Jimmy's contract for 1 more year if they so choose.  I'll spare you the details and have you read the below article from Brian McFarland.  If there's one guy I trust to get all of this stuff right regarding cap and contracts, it's Brian.

 

http://russellstreet...for-5th-season/


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:32 AM

Steep price to pay. You'd have to assume he'd be then cut or extended
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:36 AM

Steep price to pay. You'd have to assume he'd be then cut or extended

 

Expensive, no doubt.  But if Torrey doesn't get extended, this basically gives another "franchise tag" to give us another year of control.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:01 PM

I don't see that happening tbh. 8M is a lot.
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:35 PM

I don't see that happening tbh. 8M is a lot.

Webb is getting paid $10M and Jimmy played better than him this year, if he continues to grow then 8M could be peanuts in two years time with the cap expected to move up


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:41 PM

I don't see that happening tbh. 8M is a lot.


I'm going to open a can of worms here, but does anyone know the repercussions of releasing Webb?

The only reason I ask is because if we were ever in a position to choose between Webb and Jimmy, adios Webby.
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:53 PM

I'm going to open a can of worms here, but does anyone know the repercussions of releasing Webb?

The only reason I ask is because if we were ever in a position to choose between Webb and Jimmy, adios Webby.

rumours circulating we coukd be extending him to reduce his cap number by 5 mil or so this year
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:58 PM

rumours circulating we coukd be extending him to reduce his cap number by 5 mil or so this year

 

They're talking about a restructure.  It would save $5M and increase his cap number by $1.7M in 2015, 2016, and 2017.  It's actually pretty manageable since most of his cap hit in those years in base salary, and not guaranteed bonus money.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:59 PM

I'm going to open a can of worms here, but does anyone know the repercussions of releasing Webb?

The only reason I ask is because if we were ever in a position to choose between Webb and Jimmy, adios Webby.

 

Yep!  Adios!!

 

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:27 PM

Cornerbacks rarely stay on one team. Don't see him staying here forever.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:28 PM

If Jimmy continues to improve and play better than 2013 and Webb returns to his old form, we better make a move now to keep both of them; the sooner we deal with Jimmy and extending Webb, the better cap space we are looking at.  If we wait another year for Jimmy, he's going to be too expensive to afford if he has a breakout 2014 year.

 

If it comes down to choose between Webb and Jimmy, Jimmy will be the Ravens for life.  His technique and ball skills improve tremendously; with his body size and physicality, he will control his own island....

 

PS: We might have another clone of Chris McAlister........


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:29 PM

Cornerbacks rarely stay on one team. Don't see him staying here forever.

All we need is his best 5 years; during that time, we should win 1-2 SBs.....


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:30 PM

They're talking about a restructure.  It would save $5M and increase his cap number by $1.7M in 2015, 2016, and 2017.  It's actually pretty manageable since most of his cap hit in those years in base salary, and not guaranteed bonus money.

Yeah.  Almost certainly. 

And the other thing about Jimmy, and this is my only knock on him, he has trouble over the slot.  So if someone goes in motion he's a lot less effective.  Webb on the other hand can move around a lot more.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:33 PM

All we need is his best 5 years; during that time, we should win 1-2 SBs.....

should is the key word here lol 

But yeah 5 years is probably our best bet. Anyone remember Samari Rolle? 

lol Dominque Foxworth


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:40 PM

should is the key word here lol 

But yeah 5 years is probably our best bet. Anyone remember Samari Rolle? 

lol Dominque Foxworth

We have stable FO, Coaching staffs, and QB; 1-2 SBs shouldn't be too much to ask.

 

Washington and Chris Carr looks so bad that Foxworth is the only option we went for during that time span, and Webb is still in developing.....


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:47 PM

We have stable FO, Coaching staffs, and QB; 1-2 SBs shouldn't be too much to ask.

 

Washington and Chris Carr looks so bad that Foxworth is the only option we went for during that time span, and Webb is still in developing.....

I bet half the people on these boards don't even know who those dudes are. lol Those were the days.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:51 PM

I'm going to open a can of worms here, but does anyone know the repercussions of releasing Webb?

The only reason I ask is because if we were ever in a position to choose between Webb and Jimmy, adios Webby.


I don't think it would be too bad, but Webb is still a very good corner. I don't think the FO would release him to create space to sign Jimmy.

8M is just a lot for a 1 year Tag.
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:54 PM

I don't think it would be too bad, but Webb is still a very good corner. I don't think the FO would release him to create space to sign Jimmy.

8M is just a lot for a 1 year Tag.

 

It's a lot, but I think it would only come into play if we can't get Torrey signed to an extension before the deadline to pick up Jimmy's option.  Or you at least pick up the option and talk extension all year in hopes of getting something done with Jimmy before 2016 free agency.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:58 PM

It's a lot, but I think it would only come into play if we can't get Torrey signed to an extension before the deadline to pick up Jimmy's option. Or you at least pick up the option and talk extension all year in hopes of getting something done with Jimmy before 2016 free agency.


I doubt there is cap room to "Tag" both Smiths if neither has signed an extension. That's 20M between the two of them. Ideally one or both get extended now so its not an issue next off season.

I'm not really sure either is a tag-worthy player though.
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 03:02 PM

I doubt there is cap room to "Tag" both Smiths if neither has signed an extension. That's 20M between the two of them. Ideally one or both get extended now so its not an issue next off season.

I'm not really sure either is a tag-worthy player though.

 

That's what I was referring to.  If Torrey gets his extension before we have to make a decision on Jimmy's option, then we don't go for that $8M.  If Torrey doesn't get the extension, I think you have to at least pick up the option on Jimmy so we don't have to technically deal with both in the same offseason.  It's not like picking up the $8M or so option means we're stuck with it.  That number goes away once we sign him to an extension.

 

Even if Torrey signs an extension and we have Jimmy under the tag, I'm willing to bet that Torrey's first year number is pretty low since we usually backload contracts.


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