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So the way I see it, Free Safety is the position we will need to address with free agency.  I have two reasons for this assumption.

 

First, I suspect we go receiver with the first pick.  If we re-sign Pitta and Monroe then our biggest needs will be C, FS, WR, RT, TE in no specific order.  The only position out of those which is worth a 1st round would be receiver.  Considering we draft at 16/17, it is too high to use on most other positions in my opinion.  There are some great receivers in this draft and I think we could snag a great one with our pick.  Probably go TE/RT/C in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.  

While going offense three straight rounds seems a bit much, we get Kapron Lewis Moore from injury which is like a free second round pick.

 

Secondly, we don't want a very young secondary.  Obviously we have some vets at the corner position, but pairing Elam and a rookie FS doesn't sit well with me.  I think it would be better to get a guy with experience rather than throw two young guys back there.  

 

With all that said.  Who is out there?

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Kendrick Lewis is about the only affordable option, but the Chiefs might want him back because of that.  Chris Clemons would be too expensive, and I don't know why the Dolphins wouldn't bring him back.  There are a lot of swing safeties available, like Jim Leonhard and one of the kids from Carolina, but I'm not sure they put us in a better position than where we are now.  It'll be a tough year to get better at the safety position.

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There is also MD Jennings, Ryan Clark, and Brandon Merriweather. Antoine Bethea, TJ Ward, and Jarius Byrd are all prob out og the Ravens price range

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Coming off a season-ending injury and likely to be a salary dump, Daniel Manning could be worth considering. He'd be an ideal stop-gap. 

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There is also MD Jennings, Ryan Clark, and Brandon Merriweather. Antoine Bethea, TJ Ward, and Jarius Byrd are all prob out og the Ravens price range


I would stop being a Ravens fan if we signed this <butt>hole!
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Safety? I don't wanna talk about Safetys? Safetys?! I wanna just re-sign Art Jones! Don't talk to me about Safetys.

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I would stop being a Ravens fan if we signed this <butt>hole!

 

It would be very, very hard to watch the games. I can't stand him. People give Pollard crap for being a "dirty" player. This guy wrote the book on being a dirty player, Hines Ward wrote the forward, and then this guy dedicated the book to Suh.

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It would be very, very hard to watch the games. I can't stand him. People give Pollard crap for being a "dirty" player. This guy wrote the book on being a dirty player, Hines Ward wrote the forward, and then this guy dedicated the book to Suh.


Ha, well said.
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Personally, I'm comfortable with bringing back Ihedigbo. I revert back to what Harbaugh said at his presser, the fact that nowadays Safeties are more interchangeable in where they can line up or end up. 

 

While I think everybody agrees that Elam is much better suited at SS, I mean the guy is a tackling machine when he's around the line of scrimmage. I think the problem is there is no solid FS out there and bringing back Diggs might be the only way to go. 

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Restructure Webb release suggs and get BYRD and MACK as our FA signings.

 

Go big or go home. The draft is an uncertainty. BYRD AND MACK are not.

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There is also MD Jennings, Ryan Clark, and Brandon Merriweather. Antoine Bethea, TJ Ward, and Jarius Byrd are all prob out og the Ravens price range

 

Ward is also a SS not a FS.

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Is Omar Brown that bad now ? I remember him making a lot of plays.

 

If Omar Brown was someone they viewed as an answer, I'm sure he would have seen some time back there by now.

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Restructure Webb release suggs and get BYRD and MACK as our FA signings.

 

Go big or go home. The draft is an uncertainty. BYRD AND MACK are not.

 

 

Who is Mack?

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Just read on Rotoworld that Louis Delmas may not be coming back to the Lions next year, as they need to get under the cap. If he gets cut, could be someone we look at. Played 16 games this year for the first time in his career. May be priced out of our range though

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Wouldn't mind seeing Lardarius tested out at FS if we can't find anyone suitable through free agency or the draft (though I don't particularly like the idea of him having to tackle players down the field).  He was pretty darn bad as a corner this year, he was beat numerous times on play-action passes and doesn't look anywhere near his 2011 form.

 

However, that move would leave us fairly light on corners, so we'd have to pick up one or two players there for insurance anyway, so it may be better to just look at people accustomed to playing FS.  It would also be really expensive to have him as FS, since generally safeties make a lot less than corners.

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Wouldn't mind seeing Lardarius tested out at FS (though I don't particularly like the idea of him having to tackle players down the field).  He was pretty darn bad as a corner this year, he was beat numerous times on play-action passes and doesn't look anywhere near his 2011 form.

 

However, that move would leave us fairly light on corners, so we'd have to pick up one or two players there for insurance anyway, so it may be better to just look at people accustomed to playing FS.

 

It's probably a move that should be considered if the Webb we saw last year is the Webb we'll get this year.  I'm not convinced it is, however.  He came back in less than a year from an ACL tear and had his obvious struggles coming back from that.  Then, later in the year, it was reported that he had been playing with a sports hernia, which I can imagine must feel very unpleasant.  In between all of this, he still had his games that were reminiscent of the Webb we signed to a big deal.  Moving him to FS is something that is probably worth considering, but I don't think we can make that move until he gets a chance to prove he's healthy and back to the Webb we're used to.

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Alex Mack, Cleveland's Center. Has FS potential :P

now I have visions of a 300 pound  man trying to run around defending the middle of the field ,,,,wow lol

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now I have visions of a 300 pound  man trying to run around defending the middle of the field ,,,,wow lol

that's just disturbing and I forgot what I wanted to say lol

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The more I think about it, the more I agree with myself on moving Webb to FS. Yes, I said I agree with myself.
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I would stop being a Ravens fan if we signed this <butt>hole!

I hate him as a person but he graded out pretty well

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Just read on Rotoworld that Louis Delmas may not be coming back to the Lions next year, as they need to get under the cap. If he gets cut, could be someone we look at. Played 16 games this year for the first time in his career. May be priced out of our range though

Would love to see him with us but he would be too expensive. Omar Brown is the only true FS we have on the team. I predict if Diggs don't come back, Omar will be our starting FS. Im willing to bet on that.

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Here is a list of the FS that are Free Agents.

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/safety/

 

I'd move Webb to FS and Elam back to SS.  Let Jimmy and Graham be my starting CB's.  I'd even draft or pick up another tall CB though and keep Ihedigbo as a #2 Safety.

 

#Mili

 

Doubt ihedigbo takes anything less than a starting safety position or backup money.

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Here is a list of the FS that are Free Agents.

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/safety/

 

I'd move Webb to FS and Elam back to SS.  Let Jimmy and Graham be my starting CB's.  I'd even draft or pick up another tall CB though and keep Ihedigbo as a #2 Safety.

 

#Mili

 

But then you leave a big hole at CB by moving Webb.  Do you really want Jimmy Smith, Corey Graham, and Chykie Brown to be the top 3 corners?  It's highly unlikely that a draft pick would step in right away.  Although FS is definitely a weakness, I think you create a bigger hole by moving our starting CB.

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I would stop being a Ravens fan if we signed this <butt>hole!

 

If we get him and Pollard they'll literally injure a team into submission.

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But then you leave a big hole at CB by moving Webb.  Do you really want Jimmy Smith, Corey Graham, and Chykie Brown to be the top 3 corners?  It's highly unlikely that a draft pick would step in right away.  Although FS is definitely a weakness, I think you create a bigger hole by moving our starting CB.

 

While Webb played Safety in college he is a man-man CB. Nearly all of the big plays he gave up this season was playing in zone. Doubt moving him to FS will fix that.

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While Webb played Safety in college he is a man-man CB. Nearly all of the big plays he gave up this season was playing in zone. Doubt moving him to FS will fix that.

 

Great point. Webb is much more suited for man coverage. Plus, he'll hopefully be back to be his old self next year, which would give us a shutdown tandem with him and Jimmy.

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But then you leave a big hole at CB by moving Webb.  Do you really want Jimmy Smith, Corey Graham, and Chykie Brown to be the top 3 corners?  It's highly unlikely that a draft pick would step in right away.  Although FS is definitely a weakness, I think you create a bigger hole by moving our starting CB.

 

I agree that you are leaving a big hole, but at least we have the option.  If a FA FS comes a long that looks good, sign him and move Elam to SS.  If a FA CB comes a long that looks good, sign him, move Webb to FS and Elam to SS.

 

I highly doubt that would actually happen - and we'd likely have to pay more for a FA CB than a FA FS (so many abbreviations, ugh), but always nice to have options :D

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people are knocking my gung ho approach with getting byrd. Im sorry but i dont see anyone in our secondary thats even close to the level of byrd. Also if you guys haven't checked other teams rosters, you will notice we arent actualy blessed with upper tier talent.

 

A guy like Byrd is a game changer. Im kinda shocked you think guys that are basically fabian washington standards are more worthwhile.

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people are knocking my gung ho approach with getting byrd. Im sorry but i dont see anyone in our secondary thats even close to the level of byrd. Also if you guys haven't checked other teams rosters, you will notice we arent actualy blessed with upper tier talent.

 

A guy like Byrd is a game changer. Im kinda shocked you think guys that are basically fabian washington standards are more worthwhile.

 

I'm sure everyone here would love to have both Byrd and Mack.  The problem is that we can't afford either of them, let alone both.

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people are knocking my gung ho approach with getting byrd. Im sorry but i dont see anyone in our secondary thats even close to the level of byrd. Also if you guys haven't checked other teams rosters, you will notice we arent actualy blessed with upper tier talent.
 
A guy like Byrd is a game changer. Im kinda shocked you think guys that are basically fabian washington standards are more worthwhile.

He's likely to get the franchise tag for the second consecutive season.
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I'm sure everyone here would love to have both Byrd and Mack.  The problem is that we can't afford either of them, let alone both.

While I'm not suggesting either will be affordable, I wouldn't be surprised to see some surprise defensive moves made to clear up cap space.
With that said, I still could not see the Ravens paying Byrd, even if they could. The offense needs way too much help.
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I'm sure everyone here would love to have both Byrd and Mack.  The problem is that we can't afford either of them, let alone both.

 

yes we can. ONE of them. Cut Suggs and restructure webb among other cuts ( mclain etc)

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While I'm not suggesting either will be affordable, I wouldn't be surprised to see some surprise defensive moves made to clear up cap space.
With that said, I still could not see the Ravens paying Byrd, even if they could. The offense needs way too much help.

 

The offense will be fully loaded in the draft. Would not shock me if the first 2 picks are round 1WR round 2 TE or Round 1 TE Round 2 WR

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yes we can. ONE of them. Cut Suggs and restructure webb among other cuts ( mclain etc)

 

And by doing that, you create more holes and put even more constraints on money by giving out big contracts.  It's going to be hard enough re-signing our guys as it is.  Signing someone like Byrd or Mack severely limits our depth.

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While I'm not suggesting either will be affordable, I wouldn't be surprised to see some surprise defensive moves made to clear up cap space.
With that said, I still could not see the Ravens paying Byrd, even if they could. The offense needs way too much help.


Suggs could be cut to make some room, but I doubt it would be to sign a high priced FA. That's not how Ozzie does things. We have quite a few FAs of our own that would be higher priorities.
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we save 7.5 million by cutting suggs. Suggs is past his prime Byrd is in his prime.

 

Its pretty easy in my view. 

 

Unless ozzie has a late 90's style draft we are not going to be that good in the new few years thanks to the bad contracts we have handed out to players who have dissapointed us since 

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The offense will be fully loaded in the draft. Would not shock me if the first 2 picks are round 1WR round 2 TE or Round 1 TE Round 2 WR


I actually see it going WR then TE
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we save 7.5 million by cutting suggs. Suggs is past his prime Byrd is in his prime.

Its pretty easy in my view.

Unless ozzie has a late 90's style draft we are not going to be that good in the new few years thanks to the bad contracts we have handed out to players who have dissapointed us since


When was the last time Ozzie signed a big name FA that is looking for top dollars?

Like i said, if Suggs is cut it will be to sign out own FAs.
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we save 7.5 million by cutting suggs. Suggs is past his prime Byrd is in his prime.

 

Its pretty easy in my view. 

 

Unless ozzie has a late 90's style draft we are not going to be that good in the new few years thanks to the bad contracts we have handed out to players who have dissapointed us since 

 

Its really not that serious and I don't agree with nothing you have said. Byrd wants to be the highest paid safety in the league im sorry but he's just not worth it in my opinion especially since he looking to get paid around 10 million per year or more.

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No way we try to sign Byrd. Im a fan, but he wants to be the highest paid safety in football. not gonna happen.

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all this makes me believe it even harder that we should've drafted Cyprien last year; he played SS for the Jags this year, but could've been a nice fit for us at FS; given that he was considered a FS coming into the draft, he would've given us a smoother transition to the position than we had all year

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Wright is a strong safety.

Anyways, since Jarius Byrd is going to want to huge contract (and seeing how that's out of the Ravens reach), there's really no other, free agent options at free safety that will make an immediate impact (since guys like Antoine Bethea and Donte Whitner probably aren't worth the price they'll be asking for).

Baltimore's best bet is to move Matt Elam to SS (as this is Ihedigbo's best chance to get a decent payday, elsewhere) and just see what either Omar Brown or a re-signed Corey Graham can do at FS. Because, besides Haha Clinton-Dix, no rookie free safety is most likely capable of being a day-1 starter; then again, some other team will have a chance to draft Clinton-Dix before he falls to the Ravens in the second-round. At best, we can only hope that there's someone, in the latter part of the draft, that can develop to eventually be a starter (although, I prefer not dealing with another "Christian Thompson" situation).


Calvin Pryor, look him up.
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I would stop being a Ravens fan if we signed this <butt>hole!


I'll never forget the late hit he made on Heap, when he was with the patriots, which also was a helmet to helmet hit that took Heap out of the game.

It's that we don't use profanity on our board, because I'd like to call him something worse than that.
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But then you leave a big hole at CB by moving Webb.  Do you really want Jimmy Smith, Corey Graham, and Chykie Brown to be the top 3 corners?  It's highly unlikely that a draft pick would step in right away.  Although FS is definitely a weakness, I think you create a bigger hole by moving our starting CB.

 

Not necessarily!  Webb has played safety at Nicholls St.  I can definitely see Webb at the FS spot back there ball hawking and Jimmy Smith and Corey Graham as the starting CB's.  As far as Chykie Brown goes?  We still have Asa Jackson on the roster as well.  That doesn't mean that we don't go out and acquire another tall, speedy CB either through the draft, or free agency. 

 

#Mili

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