Disturbing Joe Flacco stats?

[jimmypowder]

[quote name="Tank 92" post="1732059" timestamp="1388618650"] Not sure how they were to know that Pitta and KO would go down. We were weak in depth, but the cap gives only so much room. As has been beaten to death, the major investment this year was, out of necessity, in the D. Canty a bust at a $1.5 mil. cap hit?[/quote] Well here are the facts : Mckinnie - lazy and no one knew if he would hold up for a full year Osemele- major back issues even last year Birk- Retires and we have a green undersized center Yanda - coming off major shoulder surgery and no one knew how he would perform Oher- an perennial underperformer who lost the LT job and is a penalty machine . These are the facts . If you knew all this would you make an better effort to bring in Oline help ?? Shipley is garbage bit they Brought him in Jah Reid as a backup - we cut him didn't we. The front office , including Ozzie , who I think is a very good GM got tunnel vision on the defensive problems and never adequately looked at the potential issues on offense ,particularly the oline

[black blood purple passion]

we've had a stagnant offence for a decade now, it's time to bring in some fresh philogophys, someone cut throat, doesn't let off the gas pedal, gets creative etc! Watching our offence is BORING, there is nothing exciting about it, and if I can call 2/3 of the plays from my living room NFL players must have absolutely no issue figuring us out and it shows.

[Militant X 1]

Get him a QB coach and fix all the flaws in his game (because there ARE flaws, but thankfully they ARE fixable).

Get him a competent play caller (and don't let Harbs near that person).

Get the WRs a coach who knows how to teach them how to beat press coverage and make quick sharp cuts out of their breaks (no more of this rounding off the route nonsense)

Get an O-line with a blocking scheme that gives them what they need to just be AVERAGE at least.

Get a short yardage game (for both pass and run); enough with constantly taking shots deep and praying for either a completion or a PI--that's lazy, unimaginative coaching (and not even how the Air Coryell is supposed to work, smh)

 

What troubles me about Flacco is that he still has similar flaws from his rookie days...6 seasons in as the starting QB.

 

#Mili

[tsizzle95]

Hes our joe Fluko and we are stuck with him, so lets get him weapons to bail him out! BY the way.. Flu-cko isnt a swear word. It just means hes a bit flucky. Mods just chill! Fluke= Lucky. 

You act like the good qbs in todays game are working with nothing around him. Have you seen the supporting cast of the broncos! freaking ridiculous. We havent drafted an offensive player in the first round of the draft since 2009... So yeah it would be nice to get flacoo a receiver who can get open and make hard catches... They're nfl wrs, thats what they should be doing, so if thats "bailing him out" i dont know what to tell you

[flynismo]

Can someone remind me how to put users on the ignore list? Because anyone who uses the term "Fluko" to describe Flacco and his 5 years of success here does not deserve the time of day.

The Flacco bashing in this city is embarrassing to me as a fan and season ticket holder.

Just because someone is dumb as bricks doesnt mean they have no entertainment value! Those people usually just parrot what they hear on TV (fluko for example), so if nothing else, it won't be boring!

[PurpleCityLights]

Flacco is a coach killer & to think he will be any better then what we have seen the past 6 years is called being a " Blind Homer"....

[Ravenslifer]

just read this on nfl.com final power ranking list.  is this really true?

 

. But all those who would rank Flacco over the Philip Riverses, Tony Romos and Matt Ryans of the world just because Flacco has won a Super Bowlshould remember that he finished 32nd in passer rating, has now completed fewer than 60 percent of his passes for three straight seasons and has yet to throw more than 25 touchdown passes in a year. 

 

 

that CAN'T be correct!

 

If we're talking Philip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Matt Ryan, we should also discuss Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates, Keenan Allen, Terrell Owens, Dez Bryant, Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Tony G.

[Hardbaugh]

Sadly the stats are true.

 

Flacco has issues with his game that aren't able to be fixed and unless he's overly generous and hands some of that money back to the Ravens in future seasons someone is going to get fired.

 

...And yes Flacco has just enough talent to get people around him fired..It's already happened.

[Tank 92]

Wow!  This stuff gets more bizarre all the time.  It is entertaining!

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Wow!  This stuff gets more bizarre all the time.  It is entertaining!

It gets tiring and old same illogical nonsense!

[Ravenslifer]

For the first few years of his career we would run the ball in the red zone.  Our goal line run game used to be amazing so it's not too worrisome.

 

Completion percentage doesn't mean jack when you toss a bunch of deep balls regularly.  Also how many times have we seen our running backs drop short passes or receivers not making plays on the ball.

 

I was amazed when I saw Marvin Jones on the Bengals make that one handed grab.  I don't remember any of our receivers every doing that.  Only Boldin and Mason.

 

He was considered a borderline first round talent coming out, and his penchant for making tough grabs at Cal was one of the attributes they talked about - injury + poor quarterback play dropped him considerably.

[The Mom Gene]

just read this on nfl.com final power ranking list.  is this really true?

 

. But all those who would rank Flacco over the Philip Riverses, Tony Romos and Matt Ryans of the world just because Flacco has won a Super Bowlshould remember that he finished 32nd in passer rating, has now completed fewer than 60 percent of his passes for three straight seasons and has yet to throw more than 25 touchdown passes in a year. 

 

 

that CAN'T be correct!

I actually am not a stats person...  I look at Rivers, Romo, and Ryan...  and their win/loss numbers...  At the end of the day, I find that wins are more important than stats.  It's difficult to put numbers against numbers in some instances, as offenses run on different schemes...  I'll take the wins, playoff wins, and Super Bowl titles over that anyday...  Would you prefer Romo???  Not me... Rivers???  Maybe this year, but Not me on that one either. it still came down to us and Miami losing for them to get in.... and Matt Ryan didn't do anything this year either... he's sitting home on his couch too.

[jimjim5]

Get him a QB coach and fix all the flaws in his game (because there ARE flaws, but thankfully they ARE fixable).

Get him a competent play caller (and don't let Harbs near that person).

Get the WRs a coach who knows how to teach them how to beat press coverage and make quick sharp cuts out of their breaks (no more of this rounding off the route nonsense)

Get an O-line with a blocking scheme that gives them what they need to just be AVERAGE at least.

Get a short yardage game (for both pass and run); enough with constantly taking shots deep and praying for either a completion or a PI--that's lazy, unimaginative coaching (and not even how the Air Coryell is supposed to work, smh)

 

Great post. I couldn't have said it better.

[jimjim5]

Get him a QB coach and fix all the flaws in his game (because there ARE flaws, but thankfully they ARE fixable).

Get him a competent play caller (and don't let Harbs near that person).

Get the WRs a coach who knows how to teach them how to beat press coverage and make quick sharp cuts out of their breaks (no more of this rounding off the route nonsense)

Get an O-line with a blocking scheme that gives them what they need to just be AVERAGE at least.

Get a short yardage game (for both pass and run); enough with constantly taking shots deep and praying for either a completion or a PI--that's lazy, unimaginative coaching (and not even how the Air Coryell is supposed to work, smh)

 

Great post. I couldn't have said it better.

[The Mom Gene]

Great post. I couldn't have said it better.

That post was perfectly said in the 7 lines of text....

[ravensfan520]

yep the best idea was to put tyrod in and they did that and in two mintues he scored 14 points for the opposite team. the flacco bashing gets old. he is paid in line with other qb's and no tyrod would not have won a superbowl that makes no sense at all . flacco made 6.8 mill this year and next year he will make 14.8 million which is below average for a starting qb in the league. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco/

this year was an anomaly anyone knows that if you don't have an oline you can't have a successful offense. it has been repeated over and over . if you have watched any football at all you must know that if a qb is flat on his back with a defender on top of him he will not be able to throw the ball it is not rocket sceince I swear it is very simple .
he was sacked a record 48 times, was hit over 90 times and hurried three times that .
when the cap it escalates and becomes unmanageable it will be redone. basically it was a three year deal. and everyone knows this but because they are angry and emotional because we did not make the playoffs they are ranting and raving and blaming it all on joe . calm down this is how football works. you want to talk contracts talk about ngata, or suggs and lay off joe for 5 minutes .

So by putting in Tyrod For the final minutes of a game that the team has already lost and your star qb has already throw 3 ints is all you have to say about Taylors play. My point was that if we had not signed him in the first place and put a line in place then we could of had a team to support a qb... when Joe has remarkable runs as everyone says he had great lines to block for him... look teams has spent money and great qbs before such as the steelers and have trouble making the playoffs every year. Are we going to be that type of team.

[The Mom Gene]

my only response to the last comment is that Joe scrambled really well until his knee was hurt...  then he was doomed, literally... Even if we had made it to the postseason, we wouldn't have gotten very far with that knee and shoulder.  Tyrod was not the answer

[jimjim5]

That post was perfectly said in the 7 lines of text....

 

Here's what was had been killing me inside for 4 years , then it subsided, now the feeling is back. And that is, Why do we (the fans) see the problems, but the organization and coaches in the organization, or a team consultant can't see the obvious flaws that hinder this offense?

 

There has to be a divide somewhere in the organization that goes further up than than any player discontent.

[The Mom Gene]

Here's what was had been killing me inside for 4 years , then it subsided, now the feeling is back. And that is, Why do we (the fans) see the problems, but the organization and coaches in the organization, or a team consultant can't see the obvious flaws that hinder this offense?

 

There has to be a divide somewhere in the organization that goes further up than than any player discontent.

They see it...  They know....  and we'll never know

[wayne]

I feel we just need to make the run game the focal point of the offense again. We still have the best FB in the game with two good RBs that compliment each other ( we still haven't seen the full capabilities of Pierce yet ). Fix the run blocking and everything else will follow. Cut back on how many times Flacco throws the ball and use the PA with Joe more which should open up the deep bomb better.

[ravensdfan]

just read this on nfl.com final power ranking list.  is this really true?

 

. But all those who would rank Flacco over the Philip Riverses, Tony Romos and Matt Ryans of the world just because Flacco has won a Super Bowlshould remember that he finished 32nd in passer rating, has now completed fewer than 60 percent of his passes for three straight seasons and has yet to throw more than 25 touchdown passes in a year. 

 

 

that CAN'T be correct!

 

The completion percentage is deceptive because from 2008 to 2012 (stats were not up for this season) Flacco ranked 4th for attempts over 20 yards. To put that into perspective, Ryan ranked 29th, Romo ranked 22nd and Rivers ranked 14th. That's a lot of dink & dunk for those guys which soars your completion percentage.

 

As for the TD rate, you do realize that we rarely pass for a TD right? If we get in close at all, we are trying to run it in. It is why I don't really care about the not passing for over 25 TDs. Our current offensive philosophy is not going to garner the gaudy QB stats.

 

This was his lowest QB rating since 2008, but with all the personnel changes on the field, O line issues and high drop percentages for our receivers, I'm not overly concerned about that being an issue with Flacco right now.

[jimjim5]

They see it...  They know....  and we'll never know

 

I know your right. My question was a bit baited. I think they know...... NOW. But I truly think they were clueless up until the glaring holes the roster manifested itself. The team (especially Cam) knew Flacco's weaknesses, but I don't think the team could truly see what is/was missing offensively until watching the proliferation of the high powered offense in teams other than the Colts, the Packers, and the Patriots.

[Jokerraven]

So by putting in Tyrod For the final minutes of a game that the team has already lost and your star qb has already throw 3 ints is all you have to say about Taylors play. My point was that if we had not signed him in the first place and put a line in place then we could of had a team to support a qb... when Joe has remarkable runs as everyone says he had great lines to block for him... look teams has spent money and great qbs before such as the steelers and have trouble making the playoffs every year. Are we going to be that type of team.

 what I said about tyrod is fact  he came in and in two mintues helped the pats score 14 points look it up I did not make it up.

 if you are so upset by his contract that you have to post this same thing over and over you might want to rethink things. the contract stands ozzie is smarter then any of us fans and he is smart enough to know what a qb is worth and he was willing to pay the price. it is amazing how everyone says Ozzie is the best gm in the business and he never pays too much for any player and then when he makes his biggest acquisition of talent all of a sudden he is stupid  and made a bad choice. Joe flacco is the future of this team end of story .

Playoffs every year he has been in the league until now

3afccg

1 superbowl win with mvp.

 

if you can't recognize a winner then quoting my post is not going to help you cause since he got here all he ever does is win, and another thing if he had not been hurt we would have smashed the bengals  and everyone knows it .

[StingerNLG]

I am beginning to truly feel a small segment of this forum is almost angry that Flacco led the team to a Super Bowl last year, and that they are seething over the fact he was the MVP.  

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Ozzie figured the oline would be fine since it was the same as last years less Birk . That was a HUGE miscalculation .He loaded up the defense with several busts like Huff,Canty & Spears of which two got released midseason Not a good year at all in terms of Front Office decision making . Yep the Front office set up Flacco for failure !! we should be lucky he's not seriously hurt .

 

Yep! One has to wonder what the Wizard of Oz was thinking.

 

Here are some more disturbing Flacco stats:

 

John Unitas played from 1956 through 1973 and was sacked a total of 74 times.

Joe Flacco has been sacked 222 times in six years in the league, not to mention the number of times he's been hit!

Think about it! John Unitas was not a scrambler. He was a drop-back passer who stayed in the pocket most of the time.

For all who think Joe somehow can't elude the pass rush, think again. Johnny U had a great O-line who protected their franchise QB because that was their job. Today's O-lines do not compare to the great ones of the past. Just ask the Fearsome Foursome who had to play against them. For the benefit of those of you who are under fifty, they were Deacon Jones, Lamar Lundy, Merlin Olson and Rosie Greer. Come to think of it, Peyton Manning was only sacked 18 times this year. Automatically, some will explain the difference is that QBs like Manning and Unitas got rid of the ball quicker and they would be right. However, they were also throwing to HOF receivers and running backs too who were always finding ways to get open to help their QB. Joe was throwing to a future HOFer until the FO decided not to re-sign him after an MVP performance in the SB last year. Go figure! And, BTW, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. After all, he's the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, right?

 

PS - Incidentally, kudos belong to Ray Rice for finally successfully throwing a block for Joe last Sunday in Cincy. It was about time, Little Ray.

[Jokerraven]

[quote name="wayne" post="1732275" timestamp="1388627351"]
I feel we just need to make the run game the focal point of the offense again. We still have the best FB in the game with two good RBs that compliment each other ( we still haven't seen the full capabilities of Pierce yet ). Fix the run blocking and everything else will follow. Cut back on how many times Flacco throws the ball and use the PA with Joe more which should open up the deep bomb better.[/quote]i'm stunned you said something positive about flacco ,,,am I dreaming ? j/k its nice to see

[quote name="frozen joe flacco fan" post="1732294" timestamp="1388628171"]
Yep! One has to wonder what the Wizard of Oz was thinking.

Here are some more disturbing Flacco stats:

John Unitas played from 1956 through 1973 and was sacked a total of 74 times.
Joe Flacco has been sacked 222 times in six years in the league, not to mention the number of times he's been hit!
Think about it! John Unitas was not a scrambler. He was a drop-back passer who stayed in the pocket most of the time.
For all the Einsteins who think Joe somehow can't elude the pass rush, think again. Johnny U had a great O-line who protected their franchise QB because that was their job. Today's O-lines do not compare to the great ones of the past. Just ask the Fearsome Foursome who had to play against them. For the benefit of those of you who are under fifty, they were Deacon Jones, Lamar Lundy, Merlin Olson and Rosie Greer. Come to think of it, Peyton Manning was only sacked 18 times this year. Automatically, some will explain the difference is that QBs like Manning and Unitas got rid of the ball quicker and they would be right. However, they were also throwing to HOF receivers and running backs too who were always finding ways to get open to help their QB. Joe was throwing to a future HOFer until the FO decided not to re-sign him after an MVP performance in the SB last year. Go figure! And, BTW, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. After all, he's the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, right?

PS - Incidentally, kudos belong to Ray Rice for finally successfully throwing a block for Joe last Sunday in Cincy. It was about time, Little Ray.[/quote]I couldn't find the clapping hands smiley . well said . jesus 222 times that's allot of hits.

[jaege]

Why would anyone care, unless you are one of those "fantasy" players. The only stat that matters is wins and rings. I believe Rivers, Romo and Ryan don't have any finger bling. Am I wrong?

[PerpetuallyBored74]

What troubles me about Flacco is that he still has similar flaws from his rookie days...6 seasons in as the starting QB.

 

#Mili

 

Have you seen how inept our coaching has been on the offensive side of the ball during those 6 years?

Flacco hasn't even had the same QB coach for more than 2 years in a row if I'm not mistaken.

Bring in somebody who played QB and knows what it takes from first hand experience--if Zorn isn't welcome here anymore, than what's Marc Bulger doing right now?

[Jokerraven]

I am beginning to truly feel a small segment of this forum is almost angry that Flacco led the team to a Super Bowl last year, and that they are seething over the fact he was the MVP.

+1 million

Why would anyone care, unless you are one of those "fantasy" players. The only stat that matters is wins and rings. I believe Rivers, Romo and Ryan don't have any finger bling. Am I wrong?

once I was looking at contracts ryan makes more then Joe ....really?

[jimjim5]

I feel we just need to make the run game the focal point of the offense again. We still have the best FB in the game with two good RBs that compliment each other ( we still haven't seen the full capabilities of Pierce yet ). Fix the run blocking and everything else will follow. Cut back on how many times Flacco throws the ball and use the PA with Joe more which should open up the deep bomb better.

 

Pierce and Rice need to change their workouts to regain explosiveness. We still need a capable, shifty third back.