Disturbing Joe Flacco stats?

[wayne]

When did I say Hilton is better? He's not, but at least he can get open on third down and convert...

Most people aren't saying it because most people don't watch our games. They just watch ESPN where the word of Skip Bayless is held as gospel.

And you truly believe that? There have been many prime time Raven games over the years for people to watch enough of Flacco to know what he is and isn't. This is 2014, you have many resources to gain your own opinion on something rather than go off someone else.

Anyway, Luck is faced with some of the same elements as Flacco, even worse in some cases. No running game, pass blocking is not good, no household name wrs..... yet, he looks alot better than Flacco.

[The Raven]

And you truly believe that? There have been many prime time Raven games over the years for people to watch enough of Flacco to know what he is and isn't. This is 2014, you have many resources to gain your own opinion on something rather than go off someone else.

Anyway, Luck is faced with some of the same elements as Flacco, even worse in some cases. No running game, pass blocking is not good, no household name wrs..... yet, he looks alot better than Flacco.

 

That's true. Luck has a bad run game, shaky line, and mediocre receivers. You're absolutely right. It just so happens that Flacco has all those problems x 2.

 

By the way, did you just forget my comment about Hilton converting third downs or did you ignore it?

[SecretAgentMan]

And you truly believe that? There have been many prime time Raven games over the years for people to watch enough of Flacco to know what he is and isn't. This is 2014, you have many resources to gain your own opinion on something rather than go off someone else.

Anyway, Luck is faced with some of the same elements as Flacco, even worse in some cases. No running game, pass blocking is not good, no household name wrs..... yet, he looks alot better than Flacco.

That's why Luck has 3 INTs and still 0 playoff wins....

Flacco may have missed the playoffs this year but he has

Most wins ever through first 6 years
Historic Postseason run
SB MVP


And Reggie Wayne is a hell of a lot better than anyone we have. He isn't playing now, but when he was healthy he was still better than Smith. His pass blocking isn't terrible, not great though. Running game can be existent at times. Not great. Hilton is actually a pretty good WR. They need to get healthy.

Colts offense is better than ours, yet they're about to lose BADLY at home.

[wayne]

Wayne how many times did the football hit our receivers in the hands and they still dropped it? Our number 1 had the second most drops in nfl, is that an excuse or fact?

Yea, our WRS dropped alot of balls but what about the picks and the sacks with the fumbles that could have been avoided if Flacco played better? Also, some of those dropped picks could be the resort of bad placement on some of those passes. The saying is if it hit your hands, it should be caught but anyone who has played football b4 knows that's not necessarily true, placement of the ball plays alot in catching it.

[The Raven]

Yea, our WRS dropped alot of balls but what about the picks and the sacks with the fumbles that could have been avoided if Flacco played better? Also, some of those dropped picks could be the resort of bad placement on some of those passes. The saying is if it hit your hands, it should be caught but anyone who has played football b4 knows that's not necessarily true, placement of the ball plays alot in catching it.

 

So let me get this straight. You are excusing the receivers for the drops because you say there are variables like bad throws and placement, but you won't accept variables like pressure and bad route running as excuses for Joe? Lol!

 

And still, Torrey Smith... MOST drops in the entire league.

[SecretAgentMan]

So let me get this straight. You are excusing the receivers for the drops because you say there are variables like bad throws and placement, but you won't accept variables like pressure and bad route running as excuses for Joe? Lol!

The argument should end with this right here. You just won.

[wayne]

That's why Luck has 3 INTs and still 0 playoff wins....

Flacco may have missed the playoffs this year but he has

Most wins ever through first 6 years
Historic Postseason run
SB MVP


And Reggie Wayne is a hell of a lot better than anyone we have. He isn't playing now, but when he was healthy he was still better than Smith. His pass blocking isn't terrible, not great though. Running game can be existent at times. Not great. Hilton is actually a pretty good WR. They need to get healthy.

Colts offense is better than ours, yet they're about to lose BADLY at home.

Maybe that has something to do with Flacco getting on a Top 10 defensive team and Luck not. Also, I wouldn't sat the Colts offense right now without Wayne is better than ours. Player for player, I would take more Ravens players than Colts. Besides Luck who I would take ova Flacco, I truly don't see anyone else on their offense I would take over what we have.

[ravensdfan]

And you truly believe that? There have been many prime time Raven games over the years for people to watch enough of Flacco to know what he is and isn't. This is 2014, you have many resources to gain your own opinion on something rather than go off someone else.

Anyway, Luck is faced with some of the same elements as Flacco, even worse in some cases. No running game, pass blocking is not good, no household name wrs..... yet, he looks alot better than Flacco.

 

Indy's rushing game is in the Top 20 - not great but 10 clicks better than ours. Their YPC is 4.3 compared to our 3.1.

Hilton has a drop rate of 2.9%. Torrey has one of 7.7%. Luck's 2nd top target has a drop rate of 2.3% compared to Brown's 3.8% (our 2nd top target). Seems like a pretty big difference to me.

48 sacks to Flacco versus 32 to Luck.

 

Really not seeing the "same variables".

[The Raven]

The argument should end with this right here. You just won.

 

Pretty sure the Flacco Lovers Foundation won during the Great Flacco Wars of 2013, but these pesky infidels keep sprouting up. 

[wayne]

So let me get this straight. You are excusing the receivers for the drops because you say there are variables like bad throws and placement, but you won't accept variables like pressure and bad route running as excuses for Joe? Lol!

And still, Torrey Smith... MOST drops in the entire league.

With all the excuse yall give Flacco.... how dare you, lol. Yall try to make it out like every other QB is surrounded with elite talent and Flacco is surrounded by a bunch of bums..... pretty much these same bums we had during the incredible stretch.

[SecretAgentMan]

Maybe that has something to do with Flacco getting on a Top 10 defensive team and Luck not. Also, I wouldn't sat the Colts offense right now without Wayne is better than ours. Player for player, I would take more Ravens players than Colts. Besides Luck who I would take ova Flacco, I truly don't see anyone else on their offense I would take over what we have.

Long term id take Luck over Flacco. I think he'll be special.

Flacco won the SB without a top 10 defense. That defense last year was TRASH. It was good enough persay but not very good.

Wayne(hurt)> Torrey
Hilton > Marlon
Pitta > Fleener
Allen(hurt) > Dickson

Colts offense bad better weapons. As you said earlier, Colts problem is lack of a defense. They have the weapons to work

[The Raven]

With all the excuse yall give Flacco.... how dare you, lol. Yall try to make it out like every other QB is surrounded with elite talent and Flacco is surrounded by a bunch of bums..... pretty much these same bums we had during the incredible stretch.

 

Not quite... We had the same bums + Boldin, healthy Pitta and functioning line. 

 

And no, not quite. I make it out like other QBs have guys that merely do their job. You know, like not dropping an NFL most passes...

[wayne]

Indy's rushing game is in the Top 20 - not great but 10 clicks better than ours. Their YPC is 4.3 compared to our 3.1.
Hilton has a drop rate of 2.9%. Torrey has one of 7.7%. Luck's 2nd top target has a drop rate of 2.3% compared to Brown's 3.8% (our 2nd top target). Seems like a pretty big difference to me.
48 sacks to Flacco versus 32 to Luck.

Really not seeing the "same variables".

Maybe that had alot to do with ball placement? Accurate QBS seem to not have alot of WRs that drop passes. Don't think that's a coincidence even though I will say Brady WRs were dropping alot of passes early on.

[SecretAgentMan]

With all the excuse yall give Flacco.... how dare you, lol. Yall try to make it out like every other QB is surrounded with elite talent and Flacco is surrounded by a bunch of bums..... pretty much these same bums we had during the incredible stretch.

Indy doesn't have elite talent, but they have talent.

We are so talent deprived on offense it's not even funny

[SecretAgentMan]

Pretty sure the Flacco Lovers Foundation won during the Great Flacco Wars of 2013, but these pesky infidels keep sprouting up.

The I Want TYROD Taylor Thread was GLORIOUS.

I had the greatest battles :P

[ravensdfan]

Maybe that had alot to do with ball placement? Accurate QBS seem to not have alot of WRs that drop passes. Don't think that's a coincidence even though I will say Brady WRs were dropping alot of passes early on.

 

It has nothing to do with ball placement. Drops are not just "given" to receivers. They are only attributed drops for balls they should catch.

 

To reply to your other post - we had nowhere near the same guys during the post season run. Boldin, Jones, Torrey, Pitta. All we had the bulk of the season of those guys was Torrey. Not to mention an O line that was actually functionin and a run game.

[K-Dog]

Exactly! They make it seem like we are saying cut Flacco when that's not the case.

In our defense, there have been more than a few who have said as much.

[SecretAgentMan]

It has nothing to do with ball placement. Drops are not just "given" to receivers. They are only attributed drops for balls they should catch.

To reply to your other post - we had nowhere near the same guys during the post season run. Boldin, Jones, Torrey, Pitta. All we had the bulk of the season of those guys was Torrey. Not to mention an O line that was actually functionin and a run game.

I love how these Flacco haters make it seem like Flacco needs elite talent to succeed.

You call
Boldin
Smith
Pitta
JaKobe

Elite talent? No. Fan favorites, sure.

I'm gonna say this. This oline was HISTORICALLY bad. Rice is old, and (I believe) he's lost it. Torrey proved he isn't a #1. Brown is a nice red zone threat by nothing more. Clark is like ancient. Dickson? Lol.

Y'all call that mediocre offense? I'd be happy with mediocrity.

[Ed_Reed20]

Maybe that had alot to do with ball placement? Accurate QBS seem to not have alot of WRs that drop passes. Don't think that's a coincidence even though I will say Brady WRs were dropping alot of passes early on.

 

More garbage. Both Welker or Demaryius were in the top 10 in terms of drops. Last time I checked, Peyton is accurate. 

[SecretAgentMan]

More garbage. Both Welker or Demaryius were in the top 10 in terms of drops. Last time I checked, Peyton is accurate.

I wonder, if we stop trying... Will they go away?

[flynismo]

More garbage

Notice a pattern yet?

[ravensdfan]

I wonder, if we stop trying... Will they go away?

 

No they just converse among themselves, pat themselves on the back & come up with more garbage.

 

It's been tried. lol

[The Raven]

Man oh man, even AJ Jenkins can convert third down over the middle... who do we have that can do that?

 

I love how he got North-South after catching it!

[SecretAgentMan]

No they just converse among themselves, pat themselves on the back & come up with more garbage.

It's been tried. lol

Damnit. Lol

[wayne]

Long term id take Luck over Flacco. I think he'll be special.

Flacco won the SB without a top 10 defense. That defense last year was TRASH. It was good enough persay but not very good.

Wayne(hurt)> Torrey
Hilton > Marlon
Pitta > Fleener
Allen(hurt) > Dickson

Colts offense bad better weapons. As you said earlier, Colts problem is lack of a defense. They have the weapons to work

I said the Colts offense now, not with Wayne who has been injured since when?

Torrey better than Hilton
Jacoby

[The Raven]

I said the Colts offense now, not with Wayne who has been injured since when?

Torrey better than Hilton
Jacoby

 

I think our guys are better, but they just don't play like it. They have more natural talent, for sure. Hilton beats Torrey at route running, release, and maybe hands too. Whether it's a matter of bad route running or bad scheme, Torrey and Jacoby just don't get open like Luck's guys have today.

[SecretAgentMan]

I think our guys are better, but they just don't play like it. They have more natural talent, for sure. Hilton beats Torrey at route running, release, and maybe hands too. Whether it's a matter of bad route running or bad scheme, Torrey and Jacoby just don't get open like Luck's guys have today.

But it had something to do with "ball placement" :P

[wayne]

It has nothing to do with ball placement. Drops are not just "given" to receivers. They are only attributed drops for balls they should catch.

To reply to your other post - we had nowhere near the same guys during the post season run. Boldin, Jones, Torrey, Pitta. All we had the bulk of the season of those guys was Torrey. Not to mention an O line that was actually functionin and a run game.

You can tell who has played the sport of football and who hasn't. Placement of the ball is everything and has alot to do with dropped passes at times. Have you ever played football b4 and if you haven't, just have someone to throw a ball to you when it's aimed at the middle of your chest then have that same person to aim it at your head or your feet and then tell me the percentage of balls you caught at each area.

[wayne]

Just keep it coming with the excuses for Flacco which is laughable. Like other QBS don't have it the same or worse, smh.

[ravensdfan]

You can tell who has played the sport of football and who hasn't. Placement of the ball is everything and has alot to do with dropped passes at times. Have you ever played football b4 and if you haven't, just have someone to throw a ball to you when it's aimed at the middle of your chest then have that same person to aim it at your head or your feet and then tell me the percentage of balls you caught at each area.

 

Drops are evaluated. They are not just randomly assigned to receivers. 

 

By your assessment however, apparently all but one receiver in the league is better than Torrey at making the tougher catches. Since he was the best receiver we had on the field for the bulk of the season, you are making our argument for us.

 

I don't see any of our receivers ever getting separation like on other teams. Some of those receivers that I would not consider better than Torrey, but they are definitely better in that one area. Or, perhaps, it is because other teams have a better receiving corps and guys are single covered more often.