Myth Busters

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Myth: The Ravens were consistantly picked in Vegas before the season to make the playoffs for the last 5 years.

 

Fact: The Ravens were never picked to win more than 8 games in the last 5 years.

Fact: We beat the odds during all of our last 5 playoff years and even this year (Vegas had us at less than 8 wins this season)

[runamuk]

And this is not a fact. There are too many variables that 'could' have played a role in the run game collapse (Bad ZB audibles called on the line before the snap, bad play audibles and/or no QB audibles when we should have changed the play, better defensive reads, etc.).

Fact: the run game we had was not in need of repair . allot of opinions floating around about why the run game collapsed and your correct it could have been for allot of reasons. Castillo's technique and changes being one.

[ravensdfan]

Not in the years indicated. According to league records . In those years Castillo is listed as 'Notable Assistant'.

Ref: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2009.htm

Using this site you can go all the back history to a teams 1st game to the last game. Facts. Castillo was more known as technique 'Guru'. He is more accredited for making several linemen Pro Bowlers through precise technique and training regiments.

 

The official Eagles staff roster lists him as the O line coach.

Offensive coaches

• Quarterbacks – Pat Shurmur
• Running Backs – Ted Williams
• Wide Receivers – David Culley
• Tight Ends – Tom Melvin
• Offensive Line – Juan Castillo
• Offensive Assistant/Quality Control – Bill Shuey

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Fact: the run game we had was not in need of repair . allot of opinions floating around about why the run game collapsed and your correct it could have been for allot of reasons. Castillo's technique and changes being one.

Agreed, for the most part. Except for the statement '...that the run game was not in the need of repair." That statement is opinion. I ageed with that opinion when the scheme first got changed, but lately, I'm leaning towards the idea that if we master this we will have more success going into the future as a franchise. (Just an opinion - not fact) I still think this is one 'cool' thread. Myth or Fact?

[runamuk]

Agreed, for the most part. Except for the statement '...that the run game was not in the need of repair." That statement is opinion. I ageed with that opinion when the scheme first got changed, but lately, I'm leaning towards the idea that if we master this we will have more success going into the future as a franchise. (Just an opinion - not fact) I still think this is one 'cool' thread. Myth or Fact?

its a refreshing change I learned something with the first myth and it is incredibly hard to leave opinion out

[FlocksGottaFeed]

 

The official Eagles staff roster lists him as the O line coach.

Offensive coaches

• Quarterbacks – Pat Shurmur
• Running Backs – Ted Williams
• Wide Receivers – David Culley
• Tight Ends – Tom Melvin
• Offensive Line – Juan Castillo
• Offensive Assistant/Quality Control – Bill Shuey

 

Fact: Wiki is not an official anything, dude. Even on Wiki it only states, "Castillo coached the offensive line for thirteen seasons, from 1998–2010. " It never confirms in what capacity. It never states O-Line Coach. I admit that that's just a getting overly technical and it really doesn't matted. The real fact is that Castillo is not to be the total blame for our offensive.

[Ed_Reed20]

Shots fired?

 

Just truth. 

[flynismo]

Shots fired?

No, just perpetuating the myth that some fans don't hold certain players accountable for their play.

[ravensdfan]

Fact: Wiki is not an official anything, dude. Even on Wiki it only states, "Castillo coached the offensive line for thirteen seasons, from 1998–2010. " It never confirms in what capacity. It never states O-Line Coach. I admit that that's just a getting overly technical and it really doesn't matted. The real fact is that Castillo is not to be the total blame for our offensive.

 

The original statement came from Wiki. The 2nd post is the official team page of the Eagles listing him as the O line coach. I checked the years you are claiming he did not function in that capacity and he is listed as the O line coach.

 

Total blame? Nah. You can't lay total blame at anyone's feet for anything but you are cherry picking facts. He was the officially listed O line coach for all 13 of those years and the sack and run game stats for those years are fact. Surely he had assistants and such, most usually do, but as the officially stated O line coach it stands to reason he had final say.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The original statement came from Wiki. The 2nd post is the official team page of the Eagles listing him as the O line coach. I checked the years you are claiming he did not function in that capacity and he is listed as the O line coach.

 

Total blame? Nah. You can't lay total blame at anyone's feet for anything but you are cherry picking facts. He was the officially listed O line coach for all 13 of those years and the sack and run game stats for those years are fact. Surely he had assistants and such, most usually do, but as the officially stated O line coach it stands to reason he had final say.

Sorry. My bad, I didn't see where you posted the "Official" roster link. That's cool. I'm just glad that you have now admitted that the 'Myth' itself is in fact just another myth. Agreed. It doesn't really matter how we got there, but the thread works. That's what's great! Good post.

[cursona pirate]

I liked Pitta before he was cool. I got posts to prove it

[BloodRaven]

Myth: We lost nothing when Ray Lewis left.

[K-Dog]

FACT : No one on staff at the Baltimore Ravens have a crystal ball that can predict the future.

No one can predict injuries, or unmet expectations..

[Moderator 2]

Please take the Flacco bashing elsewhere ---- this is a Friendly reminder

[Tru11]

Fact:

Castillo was not O-Line Coach in 2006, 2007 (John Harbargh), 2008 Doug Pederson, 2009 Doug Pederson, 2010 Doug Pederson

 

Fact: Under Castillo Philadelphia’s offense set franchise records in total points (439), total net yards (6,230), and yards per rush (5.4, the NFL’s top mark). With each of the team’s primary running backs averaging more than 5.0 yards per attempt, the Eagles became the first team in NFL history to average at least 4.0 yards per carry in all 16 regular season games, helping LT Jason Peters earn his second-straight Pro Bowl nod. Under Castillo, four linemen earned their firstcareer

Pro Bowl honors: Tra Thomas, Jermane Mayberry, Jon Runyan and Shawn Andrews.

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/coaches/Juan-Castillo/71348012-38bb-4777-a474-61921f736f8d

 

fact people dont even double check their own links they provide as evidence for their argument.

 

2nd paragraph , 1st line it says and i quote `` Castillo spent his first 16 NFL seasons coaching the Eagles' offense as offensive line coach (1998-2010``.

 

harbaugh was special teams coach btw lol.

[redravenfan]

Myth: It is impossible to win back to back superbowls.

 

fact :7 teams have won back to back superbowls since it's inception.

 

the broncos, the steelers, the dolphins,the niners,packers, cowboys and patriots.

 

 

side note: I think the ravens should be next

[Tru11]

Not in the years indicated. According to league records . In those years Castillo is listed as 'Notable Assistant'.

Ref: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2009.htm

Using this site you can go all the way back in history to a team's 1st game to the last game. Facts. Castillo was more known as technique 'Guru'. He is more accredited for making several linemen Pro Bowlers through precise technique and training regiments.

 

yeah he was the assisent to the offense coordinator.

his job as an assistent was to coach the o-line lol.

 

so i other words he was the o-line coach...

[BloodRaven]

Myth: Flacco is worth 120 million dollars.

[flynismo]

Myth: Flacco was overpaid

[ravensdfan]

Myth: Flacco is worth 120 million dollars.

 

Fact: No one is worth 120 million dollars.

Fact: The market dictated the price for a franchise QB.

Fact: The FO could have had him for about $3M less per year but thought they'd play chicken and Flacco would back down prior to the start of the 2012 season. Guess who won?

 

Myth: (insert QB name here) could have made the disaster that was this offense work this season.

Fact: No other QB in the history of the NFL had the worst run game, 2nd most sacks, and lost their 3 favorite targets from the previous season all in one season.

[Moderator 3]

Please take the Flacco bashing elsewhere ---- this is a Friendly reminder

A REAL facts, please.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

fact people dont even double check their own links they provide as evidence for their argument.

 

2nd paragraph , 1st line it says and i quote `` Castillo spent his first 16 NFL seasons coaching the Eagles' offense as offensive line coach (1998-2010``.

 

harbaugh was special teams coach btw lol.

Great sig! You probably got in a little late in the discussion, but links were posted to challenge the 'opinion' that Castillo was totally responsible for the offensive performance this season. The years as Eagles OL Coach and sack totals under Castillo during the years he coached the O-Line, but never stated anything good that he did there (read the profile).

 

I posted 2 different links that directly responded to a follow-up opinion nothing else:

1st http://www.baltimore...74-61921f736f8d (Allows fans to read again why he's here, not to rush to judgement and states that he was the OL Coach on the Eagles during those years.)

 

The point was: The 'Fact' that was originally posted was not a fact at all. and Casillo could not be held solely responsible for O-Line play this season (too many variables).

Then came OPINION, again (that keeps Myths alive - imo) The followup poster - raven -  wanted to prove that the fact that he was the Eagles Oline Coach during the years listed and did eventually accept that the original so-called 'Fact' about Castillo was in fact just a Myth.

 

I hope that helped. If you go back in read the thread, you'll see what I mean. This could be a great thread to use Facts as Myth killers, but when opinions shows-up supporting a myth they only perpetuate the myth.

 

Myth: Jaun Castillo is solely responsible for the Ravens Offense performing so horribly this season.

Fact: Jaun Castillo can not be held totally accountable for the offense's play this year, but holds some responsibility as the Ravens' Offensive Line Coach.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Myth: Flacco just needs help. he'll be 'elite' with a new OC, new lineman, new WRs, new QB coach.

Fact: Flacco is the 2nd worst starting QB in NFL. Flacco has the worst stats to payroll(20.3m 2013) ratio in NFL.

Look it up. Stats don't lie.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Myth: Flacco just needs help. he'll be 'elite' with a new OC, new lineman, new WRs, new QB coach.

Fact: Flacco is the 2nd worst starting QB in NFL. Flacco has the worst stats to payroll(20.3m 2013) ratio in NFL.

Look it up. Stats don't lie.

Myth: Flacco just needs help. he'll be 'elite' with a new OC, new lineman, new WRs, new QB coach.

Fact: Flacco is our franchise quarterback. As he has performed as our quarterback the Ravens have been able to set the highest postseason winning percentage over the past 5 years.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Myth: Because the Ravens finished at 8-8 this season it's impossible to make it back to Super Bowl for a long time.

Fact: The last (and only) year the Ravens went 8-8 in the 1999 we won the Super Bowl the very next year. This is still possible.

[TSizzle00]

MYTH: Boldin carried the Ravens to a SB win.

 

FACT: Boldin played a strong role in the SB run and was one of several contributors in key moments during the run. If any one group had the largest impact it was the O-line which gave an unusually high amount of protection.

[flynismo]

Myth: we are capable of fun and entertaining discussion without derailing every thread to a Flacco is awesome/sucks thread

[flynismo]

Myth: Ozzie Newsome rarely makes big moves, we primarily build through the draft.

Fact: Ozzie is so good at what he does, that he rarely finds himself in the position to need to make big moves.

However, he has never hesitated to pull the trigger on a trade or sign a big name free agent when it was absolutely necessary. Just over the past seven or eight years alone, he has signed or traded for guys like Samari Rolle, Trevor Pryce, Derrick Mason, Anquan Boldin, Matt Birk, Elvis Dumervil, Steve McNair, Willis McGahee, Eugene Monroe and Vonta Leach.

[2legit2quit]

I don't have any exact numbers but

Myth: Elam is a bust

Fact: you can't call a player that played decent(and out of position) a bust after his first year. Jimmy Smith alone debunks that myth.

[Bruce_Almty]

I don't have any exact numbers but

Myth: Elam is a bust

Fact: you can't call a player that played decent(and out of position) a bust after his first year. Jimmy Smith alone debunks that myth.

Didn't realize this myth was widely held, but your "fact" is opinion in my opinion.