Keeping Jim Caldwell: Pros and Cons

[flynismo]

I'm indifferent to Caldwell. It's not like he had a talented offense to work with here this season. Undrafted rookies starting at WR, Ed Dickson getting most of the work at TE, the worst OL imagineable, Caldwell gets a pass.

But what does concern me about him is that I do not think he reacted well enough often enough when we struggled...long rant for another time...

I do not view him as a problem, the way I did Cam. But he is not a saviour either.

[Gorillaz MD]

Yeah. He's a great QB coach who has been a part of two teams that are well known for having winning cultures. It makes sense if you're Detroit.

Statistically, Joe had had his best season (I think under QB's coach Jim Zorn) before Jim Caldwell came to Baltimore. So I'm wondering, does this "great QB coach" destinction come from the fact that he spent time with Peyton in Indy, or that Joe has made strides since Jim (Caldwell) has gotten here?

[ratedr]

Statistically, Joe had had his best season (I think under QB's coach Jim Zorn) before Jim Caldwell came to Baltimore. So I'm wondering, does this "great QB coach" destinction come from the fact that he spent time with Peyton in Indy, or that Joe has made strides since Jim (Caldwell) has gotten here?

Flacco was statistically better in the past but he's undoubtedly a better QB now. His ability to evade pressure is fantastic now. Back in 2010 he would just curl up in a fetal position and wait for the sack.

[jazz1988]

Statistically, Joe had had his best season (I think under QB's coach Jim Zorn) before Jim Caldwell came to Baltimore. So I'm wondering, does this "great QB coach" destinction come from the fact that he spent time with Peyton in Indy, or that Joe has made strides since Jim (Caldwell) has gotten here?

 

 Joe indeed had his best year  statistically   with  Jim Zorn but I think theres reasonable argument to say that it could have been due  to having to throw to five pro bowlers such as Boldin, Mason, Housmanzadeh , Rice and Heap a lot more than Zorn teachings. I could be wrong and I wouldn't mind Zorn returning atleast that would probably make Joe Flacco happy.

[Militant X 1]

I saw a report on Football Tonight that teams were showing interest in Castillo and Caldwell.  Hopefully, those 2 cats will be gone!

 

#Mili

[Militant X 1]

I also read in the link that it's probably due to the Rooney rule and they makes sense, unfortunately.

I read some of those twitter responses about the Rooney rule being the reason Caldwell gets this job.  I disagree!  Caldwell was a head coach with the Colts prior to coming to Baltimore so he has HCing experience.  And Caldwell was good for Peyton at that time and he'd probably be good for Stafford as well.

 

#Mili

[amd888]

I am not sure if Jim Caldwell is the right person for the offensive coordinator, based on last year and this year. Last year in the playoffs we had creative plays but the offense did not control the game a lot. We had 3rd downs that were longer a lot and it was harder to keep getting 1st downs. The offense still was put in a place where it seemed like they were always on the edge of losing, but they managed to get through it. No matter how good you are, if you keep getting close to losing you will eventually lose a lot of those games.

 

This year the plays they used did not make sense at all. In the patriots game they did the same play the used the whole season which was run up the middle, and they did it 7 times with only 2 yards at the most on one play. They kept doing it after that too, which does not make any sense. Pitch the ball and run outside with the running backs and you do much better, which they did, but they stopped doing that after having success which didn't make any sense either. It seemed like Joe was never under center at all and if you continue to do the same thing with a shotgun formation the defense will know what you are doing.

 

It is hard to tell why they used the plays they did because of the injuries and poor play that the offense had, but I don't know who should be the offensive coordinator. I think Jim Caldwell is good as a quarterback coach.

[T3hRaven]

I also read in the link that it's probably due to the Rooney rule and they makes sense, unfortunately.

 

Definitely Rooney rule.  In Caldwell's defense, he did get to the Super Bowl though.  Maybe we'll get lucky.

[Chris K]

I would see Caldwell go if he was being replaced by someone out of house.

 

Aint nobody got time for Castillo becoming OC this season. If that was not an option, Caldwell should definitely stay, and honestly if we want him to feel he is the true OC and unchallenged in his decision making, get rid of Castillo. Obviously he's going to be conservative if he's got Castillo breathing down his throat about creative plays he wants to run, if the play doesn't work he looks like an idiot for not going Juans route. 

 

Not to mention, like others said, the horrid supporting cast didn't exactly help. I would honestly like to say 'let's get a good offensive cast, then we can judge', but sometimes the play calling was downright terrible.

 

I'd like to see Harbs bring in Chudz but that seems like just a dream at this point.

 

Fire Castillo, happy new years.

[Jokerraven]

its not its rumored to be him as head coach and lovie smith as D Corr. they want a culture change in detroit right now only him and lovie smith have interviews. there president really wants to interview him no ronney rule with jim maybe wiith lovie but not jim because he can help Matthew stafford as a QB coach and help fix his mechanics.  also he might up for the penn state job too i heard.

that was my thought two. Stafford has talent but no discipline .

[runamuk]

I saw a report on Football Tonight that teams were showing interest in Castillo and Caldwell.  Hopefully, those 2 cats will be gone!

 

#Mili

I pray that if Caldwell moves on then Castillo gets an offer too.  I said watch Castillo become new oc because of John's loyalty of the two I rather have Caldwell.

[Chris K]

I pray that if Caldwell moves on then Castillo gets an offer too.  I said watch Castillo become new oc because of John's loyalty of the two I rather have Caldwell.

 

I don't know if watching the offense would be bearable with Castillo in the reigns.. if he was to get them

[Inqui]

I saw a report on Football Tonight that teams were showing interest in Castillo and Caldwell.  Hopefully, those 2 cats will be gone!

 

#Mili

Who's after Castillo?

 

Caldwell I can live with staying. I'd rather see what he can do with a better line and some more talent. Although if it meant bringing in someone better (Norv, Chud) then I could live with his departure.

[jdynamite]

Just saw Lions are interviewing Caldwell for HC. This could be how we get a new OC.....

[jdynamite]

I pray that if Caldwell moves on then Castillo gets an offer too. I said watch Castillo become new oc because of John's loyalty of the two I rather have Caldwell.

I think you just ruined my day. Cuz you might be right... Ugh

[runamuk]

Just saw Lions are interviewing Caldwell for HC. This could be how we get a new OC.....

thats a good fit for Caldwell all that talent on that team and can't make the playoffs. Stafford is too sloppy. I hope I'm wrong I really do.

[jazz1988]

Who's after Castillo?

 

Caldwell I can live with staying. I'd rather see what he can do with a better line and some more talent. Although if it meant bringing in someone better (Norv, Chud) then I could live with his departure.

 

Well after Castillo is most likely JIm Hostler yup  the ravens wide receiver coach. Actually out of all the offensive staffs members on the ravens steam Jim Hostler has the most experiences as a offensive coordinator

[Inqui]

Well after Castillo is most likely JIm Hostler yup  the ravens wide receiver coach. Actually out of all the offensive staffs members on the ravens steam Jim Hostler has the most experiences as a offensive coordinator

Sorry, I meant "who's going after Castillo?" Even that might not be the best way of wording it. Must be a Kiwi way of saying things. I meant to ask who's interested in hiring him.

[GrimCoconut]

I read some of those twitter responses about the Rooney rule being the reason Caldwell gets this job. I disagree! Caldwell was a head coach with the Colts prior to coming to Baltimore so he has HCing experience. And Caldwell was good for Peyton at that time and he'd probably be good for Stafford as well.

#Mili

That's true but as you said he was the heed coach with Peyton Manning. Not exactly a resume booster in my eyes. Peyton seemingly makes all his head coaches look good for the most part, especially late inn his career. Granted undoubtedly had a hand in developing Manning but that's not really the head coach's job. That's why you have a QB coach.

Lovie Smith makes more sense to me because he had a legit defense that feel apart without him. Our offense struggled all year. Caldwell might be one of those guys who's a better HC than coordinator so I'll give you that so we'll have to see but this sounds like the Rooney rule to me.

[Tank 92]

While keeping Caldwell would seem counter intuitive, It's really unfair to to judge his skills and talent off of this year's performance. With the O line, RB and TE issues that plagued the O he really didn't have a lot to work with. I think he is still an unknown and wouldn't be opposed to him staying as there is a lot to be said for continuity. I also wouldn't be upset if he goes and we bring in someone with a proven track record. Please just fix the O line.

[TDubbs]

I hope Caldwell gets the Detroit coaching job. I think Jim is a solid head coach and a good quarterbacks coach. His teachings of moving the pocket and awareness are very obvious in Flacco's game. It would also force us to make a change, and that would be a great thing. 

[Jokerraven]

Who's after Castillo?

 

Caldwell I can live with staying. I'd rather see what he can do with a better line and some more talent. Although if it meant bringing in someone better (Norv, Chud) then I could live with his departure.

I heard a rumor it was Penn state but that was a rumor on a message board.they were also talking about a trade for flacco to the jags so take that with a grain of salt.lol

[Free Agent]

My worry is that even if Caldwell is hired and our OC spot becomes vacant, Harbs will hire from within yet again. Unfortunately, the primary candidate would likely be Jim Hostler, which would be an absolute disaster.

[ratedr]

My worry is that even if Caldwell is hired and our OC spot becomes vacant, Harbs will hire from within yet again. Unfortunately, the primary candidate would likely be Jim Hostler, which would be an absolute disaster.

This would definitely be a disaster, you have me spooked now.

[Free Agent]

This would definitely be a disaster, you have me spooked now.

 

I want to trust Harbs to not make that potentially awful decision, but considering he's never hired an outside coach to replace a coordinator, I'm worried. It almost makes me hope Caldwell stays.

[Militant X 1]

Who's after Castillo?

 

Caldwell I can live with staying. I'd rather see what he can do with a better line and some more talent. Although if it meant bringing in someone better (Norv, Chud) then I could live with his departure.

Don't know cause a team wasn't mentioned on that Football Tonight show.  They just said that teams are showing some interest in Castillo and Caldwell and don't be surprised if they move on.

 

#Mili

[JO_75]

You know, out of all our coaches, Detroit decides to interview our OC. You would think they would like to interview our ST coach, not our OC.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Jason La Canfora says Caldwell is in consideration for the Penn State job

 

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/418447684429942784

[Ravenslifer]

My worry is that even if Caldwell is hired and our OC spot becomes vacant, Harbs will hire from within yet again. Unfortunately, the primary candidate would likely be Jim Hostler, which would be an absolute disaster.

 

What about Wilbert Montgomery?  Any word on how likely he is to succeed Caldwell - if we have to get a replacement, I'd want someone with experience, but Montgomery seems to have a lot of respect.

[Inqui]

Jason La Canfora says Caldwell is in consideration for the Penn State job

 

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/418447684429942784

Does he have college experience? Either way, I could see him doing pretty well there.