Could Ravens look to trade a veteran?

[SecretAgentMan]

Do I need to prove this more?

Our WR corps is laughably bad. Torrey? Not a #1, good WR to have but he's not a #1.

Dickson. Drops everything
Pitta. Rusty. Injured.
Clark. Old and slow.
Marlon Brown. Hit or miss.
Jacoby. Bad hands. More of a #3 or #4.
Doss? Lol
Tomphson, can never stay healthy.

You make it seem like Flacco needs kickass WRs to do good. We dont?

Torrey isn't that. Boldin was good but he wasn't a world beater. Pitta isn't an elite TE. Rice was the only thing we had that was close to an elite player.

And this oline? AQ Shiply sucks, Yanda was injured, and don't get me started on Oher and Gino.

This offenses' personnel was hilariously bad. The fact we did anything at all makes me happy. Happy is probably the wrong word to use. But i get your point. Flacco still stunk. His been 'hilariously bad' also. Whether I like it or not he'll be playing next year. I hope he does a ton better.

If Ozzie gets remotely decent WRs he will do better.

The bigger concern is that "run game". We fix that and the whole offense plays better for several reasons.

That starts with the oline

[Purple_ICE 81]

lol. You're nuts if you think Flacco is the worst QB in the NFL.

We all know how good Flacco is...but he sure played 2013 like one of the worst QBs in the league and has the stats to prove it.

 

While that IS the bottom line...if we had better WRs, TEs, and pass protectors and an overall more creative offense Flacco could put up 30 TDs.

[Hey Diddle]

I hate to say it, but if I had to trade one of the 3 it would be Sizzle, he is a weird guy Ed Reed said, and the scouts have super high hopes for Simon, he looked good in pre season, with none stop motor!  Let John an Arthur play next year!  

[Yatagarasu]

Suggs is probably our best bet for a trade, but then who's going to bite on a 10-sack former DPOY with one year left.

 

I say we keep Suggs since he's still productive, unless there is a team that wants him.

 

Possible Teams in need of a pass rusher:

 

San Diego Chargers (Reunion with JJ)

Jacksonville Jaguars (Suggs should do well as that 4-3 Leo)

Oakland Raiders (They need any playmakers on their defense)

[K-Dog]

I dont think anyone does...no one wanted to lose Ray Lewis, or Ed Reed Anquan Boldin or Paul Kruger last year but you find yourself having to cut, trade and move on from big name players in the NFL. Suggs is on the decline...still a good player and leader but injury plagues and getting older...I feel like the Ravens are going to have to cut him or trade him this offseason in order to make the moves we so desperately need to make. We never have any cap and he is one of our highest paid players

In my own defense I was fine with loosing Ed and Kruger.

[Guest Im An Ozzie Newsome Guy]

I think it's best to know that if the Ravens were to trade-away Terrell Suggs, Baltimore wouldn't really be getting much back. Suggs is 31 years-old, has had a lot injuries recently (Torn ACL, neck pain and something else that hasn't been disclosed.) and only has 1-year left on his contract. If anything, the Ravens get a 4th-or-5th round pick in return. I mean, Boldin only brought them a 6th-round pick, despite his postseason play.

 

That's why, at the end of the day, Ozzie Newsome is going to have a serious talk with Suggs about his future that leads to him getting a restructured contract. Because, no one can replace him on the roster; but, at the same time, this team can't afford the lack of production he had during the latter-half of the season, anymore. Thus, he needs to give-up some of that money he is owed in 2014, in order to help this franchise.

[billick]

We would lose 5.5 million in cap space to trade Ray Rice, Ngata would give us 1 million, and Suggs 7.8 Million.  With the 7.8 million we save on Suggs we lose a team leader, an elite pass rusher and gain???

7.8 million.

[arnie_uk]

Can the guy woth the worst stat by his position in nfl. That would be Gino Dudkowski and Joe Flacco.

by that logic ypu agree flacco deserves to be the highest paid player in the league after his historic playoff run

[jazz1988]

Do I need to prove this more?

Our WR corps is laughably bad. Torrey? Not a #1, good WR to have but he's not a #1.

Dickson. Drops everything
Pitta. Rusty. Injured.
Clark. Old and slow.
Marlon Brown. Hit or miss.
Jacoby. Bad hands. More of a #3 or #4.
Doss? Lol
Tomphson, can never stay healthy.

You make it seem like Flacco needs kickass WRs to do good.

Torrey isn't that. Boldin was good but he wasn't a world beater. Pitta isn't an elite TE. Rice was the only thing we had that was close to an elite player.

And this oline? AQ Shiply sucks, Yanda was injured, and don't get me started on Oher and Gino.

This offenses' personnel was hilariously bad. The fact we did anything at all makes me happy.

 

 I really don't think the bengels receivers(not name green) are all that better than the ravens receivers Its just that  none of our receivers are used in a creative way . Torrey Smith in my opinion  is a capable number 1 receiver but you just can't expect him to consistently make plays in the way he was being used this year. When I watched the bengels they literally was moving A.J Green all around the field  to create mismatches because they knew Jimmy Smith was giving him a hard time in coverage. I didn't see one time where Jim Caldwell use such a method   with Torrey Smith and Smith in the slot is pretty dangerous in my opinion .

 

Everything the Bengels did with their receivers made me think there is no way Torrey Smith, Jacoby Jones, Marlon Brown, Tandon Doss,   and Deonte Thompson can't do the same thing if they were used in such a fashion. One thing I really liked about the bengels  receiver is that you can tell they are being thought to  not only run routes to get open but also  help the next man to get open as well. In opinion the Ravens receiver are being thought the exact opposite it's like every man for themselves because every route is a  isolation route nothing more .

 

The bad part about is our coaches know that none of our receivers are great route runners but they still used them like  as if we have a group of  Jerry Rices or Derrick Masons.

[Sami84]

torrey smith is a solid number 2.

 

Period. Can we end this discussion now? Its not just the stats..its the eye test. There will be many o many torrey smith type of players in the future. There are much less Andre Johnsons Larry Ftizs and Calvin Johnsons.

[kassaiscool]

The Bears would be interested in Haloti probably. They couldn't stop the run all season long.

[GrimCoconut]

I really don't think the bengels receivers(not name green) are all that better than the ravens receivers Its just that none of our receivers are used in a creative way . Torrey Smith in my opinion is a capable number 1 receiver but you just can't expect him to consistently make plays in the way he was being used this year. When I watched the bengels they literally was moving A.J Green all around the field to create mismatches because they knew Jimmy Smith was giving him a hard time in coverage. I didn't see one time where Jim Caldwell use such a method with Torrey Smith and Smith in the slot is pretty dangerous in my opinion .

Everything the Bengels did with their receivers made me think there is no way Torrey Smith, Jacoby Jones, Marlon Brown, Tandon Doss, and Deonte Thompson can't do the same thing if they were used in such a fashion. One thing I really liked about the bengels receiver is that you can tell they are being thought to not only run routes to get open but also help the next man to get open as well. In opinion the Ravens receiver are being thought the exact opposite it's like every man for themselves because every route is a isolation route nothing more .

The bad part about is our coaches know that none of our receivers are great route runners but they still used them like as if we have a group of Jerry Rices or Derrick Masons.

I think Jones is better than any of other WR but I don't think it's by a great margin. I do agree with you that the killer on this team is a lack of creative play calling and schemes.

[cursona pirate]

I can see Suggs leaving sadly. He is old. Not like he used to be. We can save money for Monroe and both Jones.

[allblackraven]

There are a few explanations for Suggs' lack of production. One could be injury and another could be a weak DL as well as being double teamed. Those aren't excuses but are mere possibilities as I haven't personally seen any of those games from Chicago on until I watched the Patriots game. 

 

How has the DL played during that stretch? Have they improved? I love Arthur Jones like the next guy but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable jettisoning Suggs for him. I'd prefer Ngata if it was between the two because it's the same position (to an extent) but even then I'm not sure I'd go through with it. I agree something is up here because we should have had ridiculous pressure. 

Looked to me like our pass rush was consciously sacrificed for run blocking with both Sizzle and Upshaw being asked to cover more inside. But I don't think D-line was the reason, it felt all year like a lack of confidence in our inside linebackers. Pees probably got that right - we don't talk much about it but between what Ray and Ellerbe brought to defense we really lost heaps, despite Daryl Smith's very good season.

[Puntit]

Do I need to prove this more?
Our WR corps is laughably bad. Torrey? Not a #1, good WR to have but he's not a #1.
Dickson. Drops everything
Pitta. Rusty. Injured.
Clark. Old and slow.
Marlon Brown. Hit or miss.
Jacoby. Bad hands. More of a #3 or #4.
Doss? Lol
Tomphson, can never stay healthy.
You make it seem like Flacco needs kickass WRs to do good.
Torrey isn't that. Boldin was good but he wasn't a world beater. Pitta isn't an elite TE. Rice was the only thing we had that was close to an elite player.
And this oline? AQ Shiply sucks, Yanda was injured, and don't get me started on Oher and Gino.
This offenses' personnel was hilariously bad. The fact we did anything at all makes me happy.

To be fair, Dickson stopped dropping things later in the season, which is why Clark wasn't even active the last few games. Jacoby showed much better hands this year than in prior years but really shouldn't be a number two receiver. Smith was great when open, but teams didn't make that mistake this year. Brown scored 7 TDs this year (same as Boldin did BTW), and he's just a Rookie so looks like a nice find. Pitta did well since coming back from injury. Doss did well for a minute after being resigned but will always be a backup. Thompson has tantalizing speed but isn't a great player, basically Streeter 2.0. I see nothing too horrible with fielding a team of T. Smith, M Brown, A Mellette, D. Pitta and one other FA or drafted WR and TE to be named later. Jones may be too expensive for basically. Return man and #3-4 receiver. Dickson is inconsistent and the not reliable, but maybe keep him if he's cheap. Clark I think is done. Doss and Thompson maybe come in as preseason fodder.

As for the line, to be fair, Shipley was traded for as a Backup center so the fact that he held the line together at guard in place of KO was amazing -- the kind of versatility you rarely find in a backup. He's a Keeper (instead of Jah Reid), just not a starter. Oher had a bad year, if his price tag drops accordingly keep him, otherwise we will move on. Gino was still learning, in his first season as a starter, so he gets a (very) little slack, but won't ever be a Matt Birk. Hard to know if we stick with him or phase in Jensen/Wagner. Yanda played poorly AND played injured this year, let not let him off the hook that easy. KO was hurt but hopefully he can come back healthy. Monroe should be kept. Castillo didn't seem to design his plays with this cast of personnel in mind so he deserves the lions share of the o-line blame though.

[Alexir]

Rice, Ngata, Suggs. I am fine if we moved either one of these guys but we won't. No one will pick up the contracts.

[Latch]

Suggs, at this point, seems most likely, but for whatever reason I think Oz is going to kill himself trying to keep him around. 

[rmw10]

Rice, Ngata, Suggs. I am fine if we moved either one of these guys but we won't. No one will pick up the contracts.

 

Actually, teams would probably take on the contracts, but it doesn't benefit us to trade them, other than Suggs.  The reason their cap numbers are so high is because of the bonus money, which is stuck on our cap either way.  The acquiring team would only be on the hook for the base salary, which is manageable in all cases.  Suggs is the only one where we'd actually save money to make it worth while.  Ngata would only save $1M, the same as cutting him.

[gabefergy]

Heard from a couple places that the FO would entertain trading Torrey. Obviously we would need to get a very high pick in return, but I could see it if they don't think they can re-sign him after next year. Marlon Brown had a nice rookie season and while he needs a lot of development, Brown, Pitta, and a couple of high draft picks could make a nice receiving corps.

 

I doubt it happens, but I see the thought process.

[rmw10]

Heard from a couple places that the FO would entertain trading Torrey. Obviously we would need to get a very high pick in return, but I could see it if they don't think they can re-sign him after next year. Marlon Brown had a nice rookie season and while he needs a lot of development, Brown, Pitta, and a couple of high draft picks could make a nice receiving corps.

 

I doubt it happens, but I see the thought process.

 

I can't see it happening.  If you thought the uproar over the Boldin trade was bad...

[Alexir]

Heard from a couple places that the FO would entertain trading Torrey. Obviously we would need to get a very high pick in return, but I could see it if they don't think they can re-sign him after next year. Marlon Brown had a nice rookie season and while he needs a lot of development, Brown, Pitta, and a couple of high draft picks could make a nice receiving corps.

 

I doubt it happens, but I see the thought process.

 

Interesting.

[gabefergy]

I can't see it happening.  If you thought the uproar over the Boldin trade was bad...

If we can turn that trade into Sammy Watkins I would do it in a heartbeat.

[redlobster]

Heard from a couple places that the FO would entertain trading Torrey. Obviously we would need to get a very high pick in return, but I could see it if they don't think they can re-sign him after next year. Marlon Brown had a nice rookie season and while he needs a lot of development, Brown, Pitta, and a couple of high draft picks could make a nice receiving corps.

I doubt it happens, but I see the thought process.

Where did you hear the Torrey Rumors?

[Militant X 1]

I don't WANT to loose Sizzle.

 

Me either but he may be one that falls on the sword.

 

I dont think anyone does...no one wanted to lose Ray Lewis, or Ed Reed Anquan Boldin or Paul Kruger last year but you find yourself having to cut, trade and move on from big name players in the NFL. Suggs is on the decline...still a good player and leader but injury plagues and getting older...I feel like the Ravens are going to have to cut him or trade him this offseason in order to make the moves we so desperately need to make. We never have any cap and he is one of our highest paid players

 

I'm feeling this way as well.  I hope not but I wouldn't be surprise if the Ravens and T-Sizzle part ways!

 

#Mili

[rmw10]

If we can turn that trade into Sammy Watkins I would do it in a heartbeat.

 

I would too, but he's a true fan favorite, more so than pretty much everybody except Tucker nowadays lol.  From a business standpoint, I could see it if it really does turn into a Watkins, but from a fan standpoint, would it be worth it to trade away a young star and pissing off the fan base?

[gabefergy]

Where did you hear the Torrey Rumors?

On another forum, there is a poster who is an "insider". He has been spot on with his info this year and he said it was something that has been talked about among the higher-ups.

[gabefergy]

I would too, but he's a true fan favorite, more so than pretty much everybody except Tucker nowadays lol.  From a business standpoint, I could see it if it really does turn into a Watkins, but from a fan standpoint, would it be worth it to trade away a young star and pissing off the fan base?

I would be more pissed if we kept Torrey for a year and then he demands a Mike Wallace like contract that we would never be able to give him.

[rmw10]

I would be more pissed if we kept Torrey for a year and then he demands a Mike Wallace like contract that we would never be able to give him.

 

Think of the casual fans though lol.  People like you and I understand the business side of things.  We're few and far between.

[GrimCoconut]

The only way I'd be cool with trading Torrey is if we already spoke to him about a new deal and his agent is trying to gouge us (which is possible). In that case, if we could trade him and get a top ten pick (not sure about that one) or higher then I'd be all for it as we could draft Watkins then Amaro if we manage to keep our original pick.

[darklight1216]

Heard from a couple places that the FO would entertain trading Torrey. Obviously we would need to get a very high pick in return, but I could see it if they don't think they can re-sign him after next year. Marlon Brown had a nice rookie season and while he needs a lot of development, Brown, Pitta, and a couple of high draft picks could make a nice receiving corps.

 

I doubt it happens, but I see the thought process.

What places would that be?