Ravens offseason - Coaches

[flynismo]

if 8 out of 10 alaska kills is the same run are you seriously asking how that isnt an advantage?

Well, think about why the play was killed in the first place and the personnel on the field.

[redrum52]

I'm not going to even try to refute all the complaints about Harbs because they are idiotic.

 

I will discuss the TD you are incorrectly pinning on Suggs. When the defense plays the option, defenders are assigned to stop the QB and his options. The OLB/DE's job is to stop the dive. Suggs did the right thing. The ILB is responsible for the QB keep. 

I don't understand how people are blaming Suggs.  Like you said, people usually get assignments on those plays, shouldn't someone else have been there to watch the qb?  Also, IT WAS A GOOD PLAY CALL!  That's what happens with creative playcalling, you will catch teams off guard.

 

I wouldn't mind basically cleaning house with all coordinators, depending on who becomes available.  If Horton is somehow released, I would pick him up in an INSTANT.  I want a creative OC, is that really too much to ask for?  Why do our formations seem so basic?  Why are our audibles so easy to decipher and why the hell is it so obvious where we are blitzing from on defense?  Why can't this team disguise anymore?  Why are the holes in our zone defense so big?  Why can't this team make in game adjustments, something I feel has plagued us since Harbaugh got here.  This season was frustrating as hell.

 

FIRE JUAN!  The fact he's still here upsets me.  I've NEVER seen a Ravens o-line struggle like this before.

[arnie_uk]

Arnie, dear lord, I know you're you're smarter than the people that think Alaska is only used for runs. I've seen it used to check into pass plays too, and often at that.

8 times out of 10 its a run. The running back lines up behind joe and we run.

[The Raven]

I don't understand how people are blaming Suggs.  Like you said, people usually get assignments on those plays, shouldn't someone else have been there to watch the qb?  Also, IT WAS A GOOD PLAY CALL!  That's what happens with creative playcalling, you will catch teams off guard.

 

I wouldn't mind basically cleaning house with all coordinators, depending on who becomes available.  If Horton is somehow released, I would pick him up in an INSTANT.  I want a creative OC, is that really too much to ask for?  Why do our formations seem so basic?  Why are our audibles so easy to decipher and why the hell is it so obvious where we are blitzing from on defense?  Why can't this team disguise anymore?  Why are the holes in our zone defense so big?  Why can't this team make in game adjustments, something I feel has plagued us since Harbaugh got here.  This season was frustrating as hell.

 

FIRE JUAN!  The fact he's still here upsets me.  I've NEVER seen a Ravens o-line struggle like this before.

 

Not Juan's fault his players couldn't grasp a simple scheme.

[redrum52]

Not Juan's fault his players couldn't grasp a simple scheme.

Why change up a scheme that was working?

 

Also, people complain about Flacco getting hit, why the hell aren't adjustments being made or the ball being released faster?  No, I'm not attacking Flacco, but trying to understand something.  Yesterday there were blatant blitzes coming and NOTHING was done.  It didn't seem like the line communicated and they just allowed guys to come free.  Shouldn't the center or Joe make changes to pick up the guy who's obviously coming?

[Neal Could Block the SUN!!]

Once again, Matt Birk retired and our center is not half way as intelligent as the former Harvard grad.

 

Castillo needs to be gone.

 

Pees needs to be seriously evaluated for his fit on this team.  Having Suggs and Dumervil on the sideline when Cinci is on 3 and 8 close the red zone??  This is beyond stupid.

 

Harbs needs to wake up from his "family" aspirations and run a business here.  

 

Oz gets much respect for what he did for this organization.  Sadly this is a what have you done for me lately league.  Best player available works when you are solid all around.  How about his draft we look at best player available that is a WR/C/T/TE??  

[Dubs]

8 times out of 10 its a run. The running back lines up behind joe and we run.

Just to add to this discussion--there are a ton of QBs who yell a word like Joe does with Alaska. For Eli Manning it is "Omaha"--it could be as simple as resetting the snap count as it seems like most QBs in the NFL have a word like this. I dont think it is an audible for a run 

[arnie_uk]

Why change up a scheme that was working?
 
Also, people complain about Flacco getting hit, why the hell aren't adjustments being made or the ball being released faster?  No, I'm not attacking Flacco, but trying to understand something.  Yesterday there were blatant blitzes coming and NOTHING was done.  It didn't seem like the line communicated and they just allowed guys to come free.  Shouldn't the center or Joe make changes to pick up the guy who's obviously coming?

he did that once against the pats or lions and torrey didn't chance his route. Everyone has to be on the same page for hot reads. Listen to joes presser after the some game, can't remember which, he talked about a hot read but said he opted against throwing it.

He doesn't trust his receivers to run the hot routes when he sees that the should be run. No on won the offense is on the same page, and that's coaching

[arnie_uk]

Just to add to this discussion--there are a ton of QBs who yell a word like Joe does with Alaska. For Eli Manning it is "Omaha"--it could be as simple as resetting the snap count as it seems like most QBs in the NFL have a word like this. I dont think it is an audible for a run

its not an audible for a run, it's just happens to be a run most of the time, which is why they key in on the run and it rarely works.

[arnie_uk]

Why change up a scheme that was working?
 
Also, people complain about Flacco getting hit, why the hell aren't adjustments being made or the ball being released faster?  No, I'm not attacking Flacco, but trying to understand something.  Yesterday there were blatant blitzes coming and NOTHING was done.  It didn't seem like the line communicated and they just allowed guys to come free.  Shouldn't the center or Joe make changes to pick up the guy who's obviously coming?

and regards the blitz. One was Pittas fault IMO, he blocked inside and the ilb didn't blitz, that gave the safety a free run at flacco. Rice then tried to get from the left side of joe round to the right, were pitta was to block the safety but he was too late.

It happened again but this time pitta ran a quick out, flacco slide right and hit him before being nailed

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I'm not going to even try to refute all the complaints about Harbs because they are idiotic.

 

I will discuss the TD you are incorrectly pinning on Suggs. When the defense plays the option, defenders are assigned to stop the QB and his options. The OLB/DE's job is to stop the dive. Suggs did the right thing. The ILB is responsible for the QB keep. 

 

Its easy to characterize the complaints as idiotic; its much harder to refute the complaints because you have no rebuttal. Here's some sound advice for you and Coach "Harbs." Whenever you have to decide between an easy wrong and a hard right, always take the hard right. For the first time in six years, "Harbs" had the opportunity this year to prove to the critics that he could coach without his on-the-field general, Ray Lewis. The results were like our record --- average. I predicted our final record would be 8-8 before the season given our difficult schedule and our depleted team. He failed! Great coaches utilize the talent they have and get more out of them than they are supposed to. The team met my expectations but great coaches are able to provide an environment that is conducive to motivate their players to surpass the expectations of novices like you and me. He failed! Watch "A Football Life" about St. Vincent of Lombardi to see a coach who got more out of a bunch of ragamuffin players than they thought they were capable of giving. Now that we have time to reflect on it, just look back to one game this year --- the Green Bay game. It was clearly John Harbaugh's poor coaching that led to our defeat. Not kicking a FG in the first half was just one of several bonehead moves on his part. We lost 19-16. Had we won, we would be in the playoffs. That one game made the difference but his coaching was very suspect in several games this year, wasn't it?

 

Re the play by Terrell Suggs, you are as right as rain. It is the OLB/DE's responsibility to stop the dive. Jameel McClain missed Dalton on the QB option. Suggs clobbered the dive man. However, you missed two other key points. First, it is also the OLB's responsibility to set the edge and he did not. Maybe that's why Jarrett Johnson is in the playoffs and we're not. Secondly, its a coach's responsibility during a timeout to remind his defensive unit to spy on the QB in such situations, and, especially when the team has run the same play on two earlier occasions. That's fundamental Pop Warner stuff! 

 

Oh well! As Lombardi once said, "Once you have won their hearts, they will follow you anywhere!" The Green Bay Packers' hearts were won following their tough defeat in the 1960 Championship game against the Philadelphia Eagles when Lombardi told his players they would never lose another championship team as long as he was the coach. Guess what? They didn't. Guess what else? They're back in the playoffs again. I guess "Harbs just hasn't won their hearts yet. Do you?

 

Bring back Boldin, "Harbs"!

[cursona pirate]

Please no castillo for OC

[bMore Heathen]

They made a bad call by firing John Matsko. He was nothing but an escape goat back then

I agree 100%. We have never really had any consistency on the o line for as long as Moeller has been here. We got by because we had Matt Birk making line calls. I have never seen so many free blitzers as I've seen in the last 2 years. At first I thought it was the players... Obviously not.

Another major gripe I have is our WR coach, Hostler. This guy is absolutely terrible. Tell me how Torrey Smith STILL can't track a ball properly? That is one of the first things your taught as a WR, and really nobody on this roster can do it at an NFL level. Part of the problem is we take these mid round guys that need coaching to get better. The problem is, we don't do that. We either need an athletic freak or a veteran that already knows how to play. Get someone who can teach, not just go with the flow...

[Moderator 3]

Another major gripe I have is our WR coach, Hostler. This guy is absolutely terrible. Tell me how Torrey Smith STILL can't track a ball properly? That is one of the first things your taught as a WR, and really nobody on this roster can do it at an NFL level. Part of the problem is we take these mid round guys that need coaching to get better. The problem is, we don't do that. We either need an athletic freak or a veteran that already knows how to play. Get someone who can teach, not just go with the flow...

Have to wholeheartedly agree with this. Our WRs don't know how to block. They can't adjust routes. They run every sideline route too close to the line which leaves them no room to make the catch.

[baltimorefan328]

I know Pees has been under some scrutiny but I dont think he coached that poorly and overall the defense was relatively consistent. But what does anyone think about reaching out to Lovie Smith about possibly taking over as defensive coordinator? Probably will be very difficult with all the head coaching jobs opening up and he will probably be a hot name, but just a thought. 

[5aiah]

Not Juan's fault his players couldn't grasp a simple scheme.

Oher,shipley, and gino. Are we really going to blame this all on Juan and the ZBS without looking at the talent,or lack thereof. We needed to install it sooner or later so I'm glad we did it now. The problem was we got hit with too many injuries(mainly Pitta).

[arnie_uk]

So Kyle shannanan is out, so is chud, to go along with kubiak. I'm sure norv will follow soon

[K-Dog]

This thread.

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[Guest Moderator 6]

It's 4:18 PM Castle Time and no news has come out from there that Juan Castilo has been fired yet.  I'm a bit disappointed.

[SecretAgentMan]

It's 4:18 PM Castle Time and no news has come out from there that Juan Castilo has been fired yet.  I'm a bit disappointed.

Wow lol. There's always tomorrow

[gabefergy]

Arnie, dear lord, I know you're you're smarter than the people that think Alaska is only used for runs. I've seen it used to check into pass plays too, and often at that.

Exactly. When I heard it a couple times and we ran afterwards, it piqued my interest. Then the next time we ran a pass play.

[gabefergy]

Regarding Castillo, I heard a report earlier that he won't be coming back, but we'll have to see.

[jimmypowder]

My biggest nightmare: caldwell getsfired and castillo made oc.

Never gonna happen

[waxytaxi]

anyone know the norv turner situation? I cant decide if i want him here or not 

[jimmypowder]

Regarding Castillo, I heard a report earlier that he won't be coming back, but we'll have to see.

Castillo at the least should be canned. Caldwell and Pees as well .Throw in the receiver coach

because this team cannot run routes .

 

I will send my employee consulting bill to Bisciotti for free!!

[gabefergy]

anyone know the norv turner situation? I cant decide if i want him here or not

Browns kept him I think.

[gabefergy]

Castillo at the least should be canned. Caldwell and Pees as well .Throw in the receiver coach
because this team cannot run routes .

I will send my employee consulting bill to Bisciotti for free!!

Pees is the only one I would keep, but even he I would replace if the right guy came available.

[The Raven]

Regarding Castillo, I heard a report earlier that he won't be coming back, but we'll have to see.

 

Did you hear it today, or any time recently?

 

I don't care if he stays or goes. His scheme is proven to work. I attribute the blame to the players because Castillo is a proven quantity. He's good. Our players, aside from Yanda and Monroe, haven't proved a thing.

[gabefergy]

Did you hear it today, or any time recently?

I don't care if he stays or goes. His scheme is proven to work. I attribute the blame to the players because Castillo is a proven quantity. He's good. Our players, aside from Yanda and Monroe, haven't proved a thing.

My issue with Castillo is because we were fine running the ZBS before he got here. Whatever "wrinkles" or terminology he implemented clearly didn't work, and we moved away from it.

I think it was back before the bye that I heard the report essentially saying Castillo's role was reduced and he wouldn't be back.

[The Raven]

My issue with Castillo is because we were fine running the ZBS before he got here. Whatever "wrinkles" or terminology he implemented clearly didn't work, and we moved away from it.

I think it was back before the bye that I heard the report essentially saying Castillo's role was reduced and he wouldn't be back.

 

I've heard around here, so there isn't much credibility, that he added inside zone blocking to the scheme and we used it this season. We used it a lot yesterday, and it worked, no matter how much people will say it didn't. 

 

I think Castillo also isn't to blame because we couldn't even execute the zone stretches, iso, and power runs we made our money on last year. How does Castillo ruin what we have been using for three seasons when all he really did is add inside zone blocking?