Week 17 - Baltimore Ravens at Cincinnati Bengals

[K-Dog]

lots of unfounded nonsense floating around here. Lots of user names I've never seen before.

I generally ignore people who have fewer than 500 posts.

[ravensfan520]

Yeah everything you said is correct....we should have got rid of Flacco and just literally rebuilded this team from the bottom. Have you watched our offensive line? They are terrible. Lets see you go behind our line and do better. Flacco is our QB, will be for the next 8-10 years probably, get over it. Your stuck with hating him that long.

I dont think we will have him past 2014 or even 15... I am saying it know... by that time we will have blown this team apart including coaches... we did it with Billick after a few years of pain and one superbowl win... we can do it again.

[ravensfan520]

and you're the village... never mind, your nobody .

hate all you want but After watching this years offense behind a bad line and no running game getting rid of our true number one just to resign an average qb... well I don't care. What games did you watch and this offense really give u any hope that we were 1 piece away... because we dont have cap space for more. Just sit back and watch the other teams adapt and we stay stuck in reverse.

[ckgeisl]

today was a big game last week was a big game... how did he fair... not so well. Everyone gave him so much credit for last years run but over look how great the wrs played down the stretch. every team knows now how to beat him... blitz him and he will make a mistake well at least 22 of them. Dont let a wr get behind you because he will try beat you deep and forget the underneath route. He said himself when asked about his last int. He said that he could have checked to a quick route on the blitz but didnt want his wr to get tackled short... well if you have 8 guys coming with 2 deep safeties you are going to have a free break.

If we would have put the first round tender on him and someone signed him we could have matched or took the pick... I would take the pick. Rebuild this team... because That's what we have to do now... with limited cap and why restructure a qb in 2015 only to extend a contract for an aging qb that will be taking to many hits and past his prime... a gunslinger like Favre that had one superbowl played all those games in a row and broke apart more teams than he helped and throw more int than anybody Because he forced too many passes. They are always good to great qbs coming out every year and we are stuck with one that had 4 good games. A mvp that should have been given to Jones. He is the Eli manning of the AFC. Except Eli has more rings.

very well stated.  I know most of your fans will crucify you but they better take the purple glasses off soon.  Even though Joe needs more help ( Cap space will hinder this severely with 120 ml contract) Joe had horrible qb ratings last regular season and is 37th rated during this last season.  Just think 4 back ups have better ratings...wow   Your team needs OL and wr's  but your Defense is very porous also.  Free agency is not in your cards due to cap issues  (just like us) so you will need to coach up what you have and pray to pick up 2 years of great draft pics so in 3 years you can be good enough for Joe to lead you again. BTW I have no idea what Ozzie was thinking when he gave Joe that kind of money.........  We lost M.Wallace last year because we could not pay him and we let Harison go because we could not afford him.......we let Hines Ward go to....wait until next year for us to..going to be tough decisions made once again.   I think after you guys the other 31 teams will look hard before they give the house away.  Joe was NEVER worth that EVER EVER...your defense won you games your receivers made circus  jump ball catches and a lot of incomprehensible mistakes by your opponents  won you lots of games.  Joe has been bad from the beginning to the end of regular season games this year , just like last year.

[runamuk]

very well stated.  I know most of your fans will crucify you but they better take the purple glasses off soon.  Even though Joe needs more help ( Cap space will hinder this severely with 120 ml contract) Joe had horrible qb ratings last regular season and is 37th rated during this last season.  Just think 4 back ups have better ratings...wow   Your team needs OL and wr's  but your Defense is very porous also.  Free agency is not in your cards due to cap issues  (just like us) so you will need to coach up what you have and pray to pick up 2 years of great draft pics so in 3 years you can be good enough for Joe to lead you again. BTW I have no idea what Ozzie was thinking when he gave Joe that kind of money.........  We lost M.Wallace last year because we could not pay him and we let Harison go because we could not afford him.......we let Hines Ward go to....wait until next year for us to..going to be tough decisions made once again.   I think after you guys the other 31 teams will look hard before they give the house away.  Joe was NEVER worth that EVER EVER...your defense won you games your receivers made circus  jump ball catches and a lot of incomprehensible mistakes by your opponents  won you lots of games.  Joe has been bad from the beginning to the end of regular season games this year , just like last year.

lol i'm willing to guess you have no ulterior motive for saying this say ,,,,if flacco leaves the division then maybe your team would be relevant again .

[berad]

Sad that some people still haven't gotten over last year's Super Bowl and who won the MVP

It was almost a year ago! It happened!

[runamuk]

today was a big game last week was a big game... how did he fair... not so well. Everyone gave him so much credit for last years run but over look how great the wrs played down the stretch. every team knows now how to beat him... blitz him and he will make a mistake well at least 22 of them. Dont let a wr get behind you because he will try beat you deep and forget the underneath route. He said himself when asked about his last int. He said that he could have checked to a quick route on the blitz but didnt want his wr to get tackled short... well if you have 8 guys coming with 2 deep safeties you are going to have a free break.

If we would have put the first round tender on him and someone signed him we could have matched or took the pick... I would take the pick. Rebuild this team... because That's what we have to do now... with limited cap and why restructure a qb in 2015 only to extend a contract for an aging qb that will be taking to many hits and past his prime... a gunslinger like Favre that had one superbowl played all those games in a row and broke apart more teams than he helped and throw more int than anybody Because he forced too many passes. They are always good to great qbs coming out every year and we are stuck with one that had 4 good games. A mvp that should have been given to Jones. He is the Eli manning of the AFC. Except Eli has more rings.

I am so glad you don't manage this team go ask the browns what happens when you don't have a franchise qb. ask anybody who has watched  football for longer then5 minutes what happens when you start  an unproven center, try to install a new offensive scheme and have three coaches with different opinions telling you how to play. I have watched every single ravens game since inception and I can tell you Flacco was worth every penny of it and I don't wear glasses .

here's some help. not four good games your stats are wrong you might want to check the source.

5 years of winning at least one playoff game.

2afc north championships

3 afccg

I superbowl win plus mvp.

that's allot more then 4 wins, flacco is a consistent winner. I believe expectations are a bit high no one repeats in back to back superbowls the last time they did it was brady and a the  patriots. comparing joe to two of the best qb's to ever play the game is going to let you down. No one compares linebackers to Lewis because it just isn't fair that doesn't mean  that all the rest suck , ed reed safties....same thing

[ckgeisl]

lol i'm willing to guess you have no ulterior motive for saying this say ,,,,if flacco leaves the division then maybe your team would be relevant again .

Pro Bowler I never stated get rid of Joe....I question the fiscal logic on giving the farm away.  ANY team paying a qb this amount of money is committing suicide. A qb position is the most important position  , but it is only 1 of 22 positions on a team and 54 players who helps a TEAM win.   Trust me,  I hope Joe stays with your team and continues to play like the last 2 years ....and speaking about relevant...you better recheck where you ended up in our division "with" Flacco! this year..

[runamuk]

Pro Bowler I never stated get rid of Joe....I question the fiscal logic on giving the farm away.  ANY team paying a qb this amount of money is committing suicide. A qb position is the most important position  , but it is only 1 of 22 positions on a team and 54 players who helps a TEAM win.   Trust me,  I hope Joe stays with your team and continues to play like the last 2 years ....and speaking about relevant...you better recheck where you ended up in our division "with" Flacco! this year..

i'm sorry when did you last win a superbowl.. you of all people know what happens when your oline sucks  does 0-6 ring a bell. like I stated before  flacco is worth every penny had we not paid him the browns would be killing the ravens and steelers with flacco to that young receiving core. we have the best gm in the business he never overpays for anything .and he will make adjustments to fit needed players under the cap. I know where we ended up in the division and there were reason and yes joe could play better. his body of work proves his worth to this team. I will take Ozzie's opinion over a foe's fan. and like you I pray joe plays like he did  last year cause if so that means we win another superbowl.  Nice chatting

[runamuk]

I am so glad you don't manage this team go ask the browns what happens when you don't have a franchise qb. ask anybody who has watched  football for longer then5 minutes what happens when you start  an unproven center, try to install a new offensive scheme and have three coaches with different opinions telling you how to play. I have watched every single ravens game since inception and I can tell you Flacco was worth every penny of it and I don't wear glasses .

here's some help. not four good games your stats are wrong you might want to check the source.

5 years of winning at least one playoff game.

2afc north championships

3 afccg

I superbowl win plus mvp.and he has only been playing for 6 years.

that's allot more then 4 wins, flacco is a consistent winner. I believe expectations are a bit high no one repeats in back to back superbowls the last time they did it was brady and a the  patriots. comparing joe to two of the best qb's to ever play the game is going to let you down. No one compares linebackers to Lewis because it just isn't fair that doesn't mean  that all the rest suck , ed reed safties....same thing

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

http://sulia.com/nflmemez/f/14da3c60-7ed3-4650-88de-ca02f99bb646/

 

Did not notice this during the game yesterday.

 

Kind of funny and annoying at the same time

[ravensfan520]

I am so glad you don't manage this team go ask the browns what happens when you don't have a franchise qb. ask anybody who has watched football for longer then5 minutes what happens when you start an unproven center, try to install a new offensive scheme and have three coaches with different opinions telling you how to play. I have watched every single ravens game since inception and I can tell you Flacco was worth every penny of it and I don't wear glasses .
here's some help. not four good games your stats are wrong you might want to check the source.
5 years of winning at least one playoff game.
2afc north championships
3 afccg
I superbowl win plus mvp.
that's allot more then 4 wins, flacco is a consistent winner. I believe expectations are a bit high no one repeats in back to back superbowls the last time they did it was brady and a the patriots. comparing joe to two of the best qb's to ever play the game is going to let you down. No one compares linebackers to Lewis because it just isn't fair that doesn't mean that all the rest suck , ed reed safties....same thing

so you were a browns fan like me originally... that how I became a ravens fan... don't live in Baltimore followed the browns and when they moved to baltimore I followed the team there. Oh what happened to the 2000 Ravens and there qb... he wasnt a franchise qb and they won... or the Tampa Bay Bucs... even the patriots... when Brady won the superbowl they're defense was lights out. When was the last time a superbowl winner won because of just the qb... even last year Jones had 2 tds... one on a underthrown ball and one return for a td. And the defense stops them at the goal line. Everyone forgets all the draft picks we had and used to build this team before Flacco took over and how nuch the defense and running gane carried this team for years. Noe its time for the offense and it big time qb to stand up and he does what... set the ravens record for most int in a year...in the other everyone forgets how the D held the Broncos offense and 2 of there scores where on special teams and caused a int in overtime. Offenses look pretty for the stat book but defenses win championships. Thats why the Ravens have always prided themselves on defense. Remember the steelers last 2 superbowl years it wasnt cause of Ben but a great d and running game. We decided to place faith in a qb forget to include his number 1 target and give him a line to block for at least 4 seconds because that's all we run are deep routes. If I was manager it would be disoolve the current playbook go back to the drawing board and teach flacco to spread the ball out instead of staring down one wr and go through his Progressions. Draft evans as our number one and move Smith back to 2 and Brown as 3. Pierce as the lead back and rice or juice as third down backs. Move ko to tackle and jensen to guard. Maybe even play taylor a little as a wr. Because he can make plays with the ball in his handa and open space to move.

[ravensfan520]

i'm sorry when did you last win a superbowl.. you of all people know what happens when your oline sucks does 0-6 ring a bell. like I stated before flacco is worth every penny had we not paid him the browns would be killing the ravens and steelers with flacco to that young receiving core. we have the best gm in the business he never overpays for anything .and he will make adjustments to fit needed players under the cap. I know where we ended up in the division and there were reason and yes joe could play better. his body of work proves his worth to this team. I will take Ozzie's opinion over a foe's fan. and like you I pray joe plays like he did last year cause if so that means we win another superbowl. Nice chatting

joe was the third and sometimes 4th best qb in our division thus year... so thats why we ended up were we ended up. Look at the bengals they have franchise... he makes mistakes but they surronded him with a team that help him ein dispite thise mistakes... we took all FLACCOS weapons away just to keep him... sound like a good thing to do... not to me. I think we knew we were going into this year as a rebuilding year and shed what we could to get younger... and start over.

[runamuk]

so you were a browns fan like me originally... that how I became a ravens fan... don't live in Baltimore followed the browns and when they moved to baltimore I followed the team there. Oh what happened to the 2000 Ravens and there qb... he wasnt a franchise qb and they won... or the Tampa Bay Bucs... even the patriots... when Brady won the superbowl they're defense was lights out. When was the last time a superbowl winner won because of just the qb... even last year Jones had 2 tds... one on a underthrown ball and one return for a td. And the defense stops them at the goal line. Everyone forgets all the draft picks we had and used to build this team before Flacco took over and how nuch the defense and running gane carried this team for years. Noe its time for the offense and it big time qb to stand up and he does what... set the ravens record for most int in a year...in the other everyone forgets how the D held the Broncos offense and 2 of there scores where on special teams and caused a int in overtime. Offenses look pretty for the stat book but defenses win championships. Thats why the Ravens have always prided themselves on defense. Remember the steelers last 2 superbowl years it wasnt cause of Ben but a great d and running game. We decided to place faith in a qb forget to include his number 1 target and give him a line to block for at least 4 seconds because that's all we run are deep routes. If I was manager it would be disoolve the current playbook go back to the drawing board and teach flacco to spread the ball out instead of staring down one wr and go through his Progressions. Draft evans as our number one and move Smith back to 2 and Brown as 3. Pierce as the lead back and rice or juice as third down backs. Move ko to tackle and jensen to guard. Maybe even play taylor a little as a wr. Because he can make plays with the ball in his handa and open space to move.

the point of my post is the flacco bashing gets old yes he has had a bad year . this entire season wasn't all on flacco . I know the superbowl was a team win and flacco was apart of that team. For fans to say they understand football and in the next breath say he is overpaid is a total disconnect. as I said in another post. if we had left him walk  he would have lasted 5 hot seconds .

 and everyone knows it and Ozzie is not stupid .

I agree with much of what you say and you remember all those years with role play qb's . this fanbase worships the ground ozzie walks on , but the best and biggest decision he made was paying Joe . But we overpaid how can anyone  know how this organization works and then say that makes sense. we should have gotten that memo when they traded boldin and let the greatest safety to ever play this game walk over a million dollars a year. and they were right .. coaching changes need to happen this offseason and the oline needs to be fixed  or next year it will be even worse. Joe's not going anywhere cause Ozzie is a genius and fans are too emotional

[runamuk]

jie was the third and sometimes 4th best qb in our division thus year... so thats why we ended up were we ended up. Look at the bengals they have franchise... he makes mistakes but they surronded him with a team that help him ein dispite thise mistakes... we took all FLACCOS weapons away just to keep him... sound like a good thing to do... not to me. I think we knew we were going into this year as a rebuilding year and shed what we could to get younger... and start over.

the people we lost had nothing to do with joe's contract his  cap hit  was 6.8 million dollars so that argument is false . boldin was traded because the front office thought he was being overpaid. Torrey took off this year and marlon brown was added. Pitta and Jones were injured Joe's contract had nothing to do with that.

 

the reason this season was so bad was  for several reasons, an unproven center, the zbs system being installed , and the worst o line in football . and no the front office didn't do enough to make sure joe was protected . it was a retooling year and it had to be done the defense was top ten, now its the offense's turn this offseason.

[ravensfan520]

the point of my post is the flacco bashing gets old yes he has had a bad year . this entire season wasn't all on flacco . I know the superbowl was a team win and flacco was apart of that team. For fans to say they understand football and in the next breath say he is overpaid is a total disconnect. as I said in another post. if we had left him walk he would have lasted 5 hot seconds .
and everyone knows it and Ozzie is not stupid .
I agree with much of what you say and you remember all those years with role play qb's . this fanbase worships the ground ozzie walks on , but the best and biggest decision he made was paying Joe . But we overpaid how can anyone know how this organization works and then say that makes sense. we should have gotten that memo when they traded boldin and let the greatest safety to ever play this game walk over a million dollars a year. and they were right .. coaching changes need to happen this offseason and the oline needs to be fixed or next year it will be even worse. Joe's not going anywhere cause Ozzie is a genius and fans are too emotional

the biggest problem with Joe's contract was not this years cap but the structure in the future. In 2015 it humps to 30+ does he deserve that much... so we restructure him make it a signing bonus or extend him... what happens if he becomes damaged goods... he has a cannon for an arm but just like another qb forces throws that don't need to be made... sometimes he makes them sometimes they don't. What happens if the line doesn't get any better or just like we did with cam we waited to long to change coordinators and he keeps getting sacked. The line played bad... most of that I truly believe was play calling and a new blocking scheme. Oher is usually a good blocking tackle on running plays and we all know yanda doesn't play that bad. And most of the problems was on the right. Even if we draft a first round tackle or wr... we don't change the blocking scheme it will make no difference. If we don't shorten the routes it makes no difference. I believe we run these types of plays because it fits Joes skill big arm that make all the throws but lacks the ability to read defenses and we try to beat them deep... problem is everyone knows that and sends blitzes right up the middle or overloads that we don't check out of and get stuck with int or 3 and outs. Sometimes that's on the qb not the play caller. He is one the field and can see what the defense is doing why hasn't he gotten the ability to make adjustments.

[ravensfan520]

the people we lost had nothing to do with joe's contract his cap hit was 6.8 million dollars so that argument is false . boldin was traded because the front office thought he was being overpaid. Torrey took off this year and marlon brown was added. Pitta and Jones were injured Joe's contract had nothing to do with that.

the reason this season was so bad was for several reasons, an unproven center, the zbs system being installed , and the worst o line in football . and no the front office didn't do enough to make sure joe was protected . it was a retooling year and it had to be done the defense was top ten, now its the offense's turn this offseason.

did u see Boldin play this year... I don't think he was overpaid. We could have attepted to extend him... Boldin still has some years left in him. The only guy we signed that played well was Smith and maybe Canty... what happened to the others... free agents again. The offense we had last year even with the weapons still didn't rank much different than the defense. U cant say that we knew we would sign Dummerville. Again thus year was a small cap but look at 2015... is he worth 30+.

[runamuk]

the biggest problem with Joe's contract was not this years cap but the structure in the future. In 2015 it humps to 30+ does he deserve that much... so we restructure him make it a signing bonus or extend him... what happens if he becomes damaged goods... he has a cannon for an arm but just like another qb forces throws that don't need to be made... sometimes he makes them sometimes they don't. What happens if the line doesn't get any better or just like we did with cam we waited to long to change coordinators and he keeps getting sacked. The line played bad... most of that I truly believe was play calling and a new blocking scheme. Oher is usually a good blocking tackle on running plays and we all know yanda doesn't play that bad. And most of the problems was on the right. Even if we draft a first round tackle or wr... we don't change the blocking scheme it will make no difference. If we don't shorten the routes it makes no difference. I believe we run these types of plays because it fits Joes skill big arm that make all the throws but lacks the ability to read defenses and we try to beat them deep... problem is everyone knows that and sends blitzes right up the middle or overloads that we don't check out of and get stuck with int or 3 and outs. Sometimes that's on the qb not the play caller. He is one the field and can see what the defense is doing why hasn't he gotten the ability to make adjustments.

I totally agree , but I think like cam ,,,,,Castillo and his blocking scheme are here to say . Joe has his share of blame too I'm not denying that . but there's allot of blame to go around.  bad oline, injuries to pitta and jacoby, no run game , and the worst playcalling  yes even worse then Cameron's .

[runamuk]

did u see Boldin play this year... I don't think he was overpaid. We could have attepted to extend him... Boldin still has some years left in him. The only guy we signed that played well was Smith and maybe Canty... what happened to the others... free agents again. The offense we had last year even with the weapons still didn't rank much different than the defense. U cant say that we knew we would sign Dummerville. Again thus year was a small cap but look at 2015... is he worth 30+.

I said the front office thought boldin wasn't worth that I thought we should have kept him period,

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco/

 

 

this is the breakdown and cap hits of flacco's contract in 2016 when his cap hit balloon's he will be restructured .I tried to just copy the graph but for some reason quoting post has turned into a nightmare lol.

[ravensfan520]

I totally agree , but I think like cam ,,,,,Castillo and his blocking scheme are here to say . Joe has his share of blame too I'm not denying that . but there's allot of blame to go around. bad oline, injuries to pitta and jacoby, no run game , and the worst playcalling yes even worse then Cameron's .

Once Pitta got back in the lineup unless things change after a full year of rest... pitta on offense didn't change the passing game we still weren't beating anybody with it. It all comes back to Boldin...with Boldin out there everybody looked better... he found ways to get open or get the ball...without another Boldin this pass offense will still be in trouble... no seperaation and drop too many passes.

[ravensfan520]

I said the front office thought boldin wasn't worth that I thought we should have kept him period,
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco/


this is the breakdown and cap hits of flacco's contract in 2016 when his cap hit balloon's he will be restructured .I tried to just copy the graph but for some reason quoting post has turned into a nightmare lol.

my bad I thought the big hit was in 15... but lets be honest I still dont think he is worth the 14 for next year. Keep looking at that site and look up manning... is he better than manning becuase their contracts arent to different. Or tom brady.

[runamuk]

my bad I thought the big hit was in 15... but lets be honest I still dont think he is worth the 14 for next year. Keep looking at that site and look up manning... is he better than manning becuase their contracts arent to different. Or tom brady.

I disagree but I have seen what they used to think was a franchise qb in Baltimore . I don't care  about manning and brady they are both once in a lifetime  player. there is no comparison. Joe earned that contract.

[ravensfan520]

I disagree but I have seen what they used to think was a franchise qb in Baltimore . I don't care about manning and brady they are both once in a lifetime player. there is no comparison. Joe earned that contract.

Yes Joe has been the best Baltimore has had... but to be honest thats not saying much. The guys we had before are not in the league and struggled to find a team when they left. You act like the Ravens have been in the league since first existence and they have never won before him. We won on defense and running the ball with less than stellar wrs before Boldin we had Mason and an often injured Heap.

Remember I came from the browns so I know bad qb history I joined the raven nation when they moved from cleveland.

When Flacco signed with Baltimore the pieces were in place. Now that he is signed again its going to take some time and money and draft picks to get them back in place. Joe may be tough but by the time we have weapons like an old version of Rice or a great possession wr like Boldin or Mason and by then Flacco may be past his prime, hit a ceiling or hurt and we would be left extending a over paid contract.

my point is... the team knew going in we have a lot contracts expiring and bloated contracts and we sign Flacco to another... its the first qb big contract the team has every signed and we let Flacco take it and the team in the long run will suffer. This team is far from a few draft picks or aging vets signed for pennies to get back to the promise land.

We always seem to know when to let guys walk for more money... but I would hqve loved to see someone like the cardinals or Browns take that hefty contract and give us their first round tender and rebuild... since everybody knows its hard to get back after you have won.

We may have made it to the playoffs 5 years in a row but when was the last time we did that and lost 11 starters. We could have signed some good offensive talent to surround a new qb or current (Taylor) and rebuilt probably faster. Oz could have worked magic with contracts again to structure a good line for years to come and a new offense built around a solid core. Well thats my point. Flacco was overpaid and the team may suffer in future years before we see another run like last year. Could u imagine if we had sucked as bad as the Texans or somebody else and had a chance to get Bridewater. Even if he went down we wouldn't have to change a whole system to fit a Backup qb like we would have to before. Taylor is not as good as Bridgewater but they both move well with ball in their hands are always a threat in space.

brigewater... a good line... and running game... just think of the possibilities and a smaller contract.

[Inqui]

Yes Joe has been the best Baltimore has had... but to be honest thats not saying much. The guys we had before are not in the league and struggled to find a team when they left. You act like the Ravens have been in the league since first existence and they have never won before him. We won on defense and running the ball with less than stellar wrs before Boldin we had Mason and an often injured Heap.
...
brigewater... a good line... and running game... just think of the possibilities and a smaller contract.

...until Bridgewater's rookie contract expires. What would you have us do then? Discard him no doubt and hope for whoever the next #1 is.

 

And even then, hoping you have a bad year for one player is a dangerous game. The players are always focused on winning (just look at the Jags - the players don't have the same long-term cares about the franchise as the FO and the fans), and what happens if we don't get him? We've just lost an entire season for a possible franchise QB we didn't end up getting.

 

The FO that listens to the fans soon joins them.

[Tru11]

there is no way the ravens release or trade flacco in the next 2 seasons lol.

 

his cap pen would far exceed any cap room it would create by doing so...

 

he will be a raven for at least 2 more seasons and its best they get him another good WR and a scheme that fits him.

[ravensfan520]

...until Bridgewater's rookie contract expires. What would you have us do then? Discard him no doubt and hope for whoever the next #1 is.

And even then, hoping you have a bad year for one player is a dangerous game. The players are always focused on winning (just look at the Jags - the players don't have the same long-term cares about the franchise as the FO and the fans), and what happens if we don't get him? We've just lost an entire season for a possible franchise QB we didn't end up getting.

The FO that listens to the fans soon joins them.

Well if we didnt get a bridegwater hopefully we would have put the pieces in place for another qb like taylor or had signed a good a good game manager like smith (alex) to succeed instead throwing one out there with no one around him like we did our current guy. This year and the next couple years will be about letting our d contracts expire paying aging vets to fill their spots and drafting for the offense.

heres a thiught when was the last time a team won or went to the superbowl AFTER they signed their qb to a big hefty contract. Its a cycle. With todays nfl cap if you dont have the pieces in place before u pay the big contracts the teams miss out. Before this year we had to sign or resign 1 or 2 guys this year was different we choose to put all the eggs in one basket... the defense and Joe Flacco. Even the players we signed on defense half were there the whole time and Dumerville was a lucky break.

[ravensfan520]

there is no way the ravens release or trade flacco in the next 2 seasons lol.

his cap pen would far exceed any cap room it would create by doing so...

he will be a raven for at least 2 more seasons and its best they get him another good WR and a scheme that fits him.

I believe after 2 he will be cut... we need to start looking at a backup to groom until then. I still like taylor but unless the offense strategy changes he wont fit this scheme... plus we have to resign him... don't we.

[ellicottraven]

So who gets credit for the Super Bowl then?

The rest of the SB team.