Fire________, Cut________ Rant, Patriots version

[redrum52]

come on now man.

that pass was underthrown.

its not easy to stop when running a full speed and then adjust and try to catch a ball with defenders catching up to you to break it up.

TBH this season flacco seems to not be able to hit his wrs in stride and it often seems they have to adjust alot to passes thrown to them.

this game probaly had alot to do with his knee and well it doesent help the o-line sucks most of the time either...
this teams problems are on the o-line...

Not to knock Flacco, but he never has been the best at hitting guys in stride. They usually need to slow down and adjust to the ball. People get on Torrey and sometimes he is to blame but it seems to me wrs need to adjust to Joe's throws often.

[busterblue52]

Game was similar to last years blowout vs the Texans when Ray was out. Hopefully we can have a similar end to the year lol.

[SuggsBarber]

come on now man.
 
that pass was underthrown.
 
its not easy to stop when running a full speed and then adjust and try to catch a ball with defenders catching up to you to break it up.
 
TBH this season flacco seems to not be able to hit his wrs in stride and it often seems they have to adjust alot to passes thrown to them.
 
this game probaly had alot to do with his knee and well it doesent help the o-line sucks most of the time either...
this teams problems are on the o-line...

This.IMO Joe hits him in stride,the game changes completely.

[H8R]

I am genuinely impressed with how well they play and how poorly they draft.

Tom Brady and superior Oline play hide a lot of problems. Brady has been sacked a lot this year, but usually he's at the bottom of the league or top depending on how you look at it .

[Sami84]

Tom Brady and superior Oline play hide a lot of problems. Brady has been sacked a lot this year, but usually he's at the bottom of the league or top depending on how you look at it .

Because he gets the ball out fast as well, and please...the patriots are a completely banged up team. We have been a lot luckier this seasona s it pertains to injuries.

[H8R]

This.IMO Joe hits him in stride,the game changes completely.

It was a 60 yard pass... I don't think Torrey was the first read in his progression. It was under thrown, but by the time Joe went to him for it to be in stride it would need to be a 75 yarder. Torrey needs to learn to make those tough catches, he dropped another one on the sideline too.. also, he seems to fall to his knees at the first sign of contact.

[H8R]

Because he gets the ball out fast as well, and please...the patriots are a completely banged up team. We have been a lot luckier this seasona s it pertains to injuries.

He gets the ball out quick because the offense is built on timing and intermediate routes.. They've lost players to injuries. but for us... KO and Pitta, Jacoby and really Rice is the walking wounded. Who mentioned injuries anyhow?

[Sami84]

He gets the ball out quick because the offense is built on timing and intermediate routes.. They've lost players to injuries. but for us... KO and Pitta, Jacoby and really Rice is the walking wounded. Who mentioned injuries anyhow?

Flacco has never been a great intermediate passer..in truth his accuracy in general is vastly overrated.

[H8R]

Flacco has never been a great intermediate passer..in truth his accuracy in general is vastly overrated.

Why are you even trying to argue points in which I didn't speak to? Flacco has improved his accuracy over the middle IMO. He's not going to be a super accurate passer with the amount of deep shots we take, coupled by IMO... not the most polished WRs.

[ravensdfan]

Flacco has never been a great intermediate passer..in truth his accuracy in general is vastly overrated.

 

I'm so sick of this complete lie. 2010 was by far his best statistical year and we did a lot of short to intermediate routes. Heap and Mason ring any bells? And everyone here just complained about him being the Checkdown King and screamed for deep balls.

[Militant X 1]

I'm so sick of this complete lie. 2010 was by far his best statistical year and we did a lot of short to intermediate routes. Heap and Mason ring any bells? And everyone here just complained about him being the Checkdown King and screamed for deep balls.

Because back then; they were wearing those short comeback and check down routes out!  And now, they are doing the same thing with the deep balls!  We're seeing deep shots taken on 3rd &4.  Why?  If you hit that route...great!  But if not....it's 3&out and here comes the punt!  Where the hell is the "balance" that they kept talking about during the off season?  It's ridiculous!

 

#Mili

[ravensdfan]

Because back then; they were wearing those short comeback and check down routes out!  And now, they are doing the same thing with the deep balls!  We're seeing deep shots taken on 3rd &4.  Why?  If you hit that route...great!  But if not....it's 3&out and here comes the punt!  Where the hell is the "balance" that they kept talking about during the off season?  It's ridiculous!

 

#Mili

 

We had route runners then. We don't now. To make the shorter & intermediate routes work requires timing and disciplined route running. Not one of our receivers can run a crisp route.

 

My point was though how they're all saying Flacco isn't accurate enough for the short & intermediate routes. lol

[Militant X 1]

We had route runners then. We don't now. To make the shorter & intermediate routes work requires timing and disciplined route running. Not one of our receivers can run a crisp route.

So, Torrey, Jacoby, Brown, Doss, Pitta and Dickson can't run routes? Then why are they on the field?  And, If that's the case it's piss poor coaching!

 

#Mili

[ravensdfan]

So Torrey, Jacoby, Brown, Doss, Pitta and Dickson can't run routes?  If that's the case then that is piss poor coaching!

 

#Mili

 

I agree! I've been saying it all season. Especially with Torrey & Jacoby. They should definitely be able to run crisp routes by now.

 

Brown is a rookie and raw so I can get that one. Dickson's already caused more than one INT running the wrong route or running one incorrectly.

 

I'd love to get Mason in here as a WR coach. If he can't teach them how to run a crisp route, they're unteachable.

[redrum52]

Because back then; they were wearing those short comeback and check down routes out! And now, they are doing the same thing with the deep balls! We're seeing deep shots taken on 3rd &4. Why? If you hit that route...great! But if not....it's 3&out and here comes the punt! Where the hell is the "balance" that they kept talking about during the off season? It's ridiculous!

#Mili

I remember a lot of check downs to Rice which is why they got on him. I never really remember the offense utilizing the middle of the field unless it was Rice wide open underneath. Even then they still did try to get plays deep.

[Tank 92]

come on now man.

 

that pass was underthrown.

 

its not easy to stop when running a full speed and then adjust and try to catch a ball with defenders catching up to you to break it up.

 

TBH this season flacco seems to not be able to hit his wrs in stride and it often seems they have to adjust alot to passes thrown to them.

 

this game probaly had alot to do with his knee and well it doesent help the o-line sucks most of the time either...

this teams problems are on the o-line...

 

The ball was in Torrey's hands, actually he was wrapping it up in his arms. He should have made the catch.

 

Not to knock Flacco, but he never has been the best at hitting guys in stride. They usually need to slow down and adjust to the ball. People get on Torrey and sometimes he is to blame but it seems to me wrs need to adjust to Joe's throws often.

 

 

Joe's pass to Torrey late in the game was a perfectly thrown ball and would have hit him in stride had he not hitched looking for the defender.

 

Torrey has been stinking it up for weeks and I bet he would tell you the same.

[redrum52]

The ball was in Torrey's hands, actually he was wrapping it up in his arms. He should have made the catch.



Joe's pass to Torrey late in the game was a perfectly thrown ball and would have hit him in stride had not he hitched looking for the defender.

Torrey has been stinking it up for weeks and I bet he would tell you the same.

Looked like Torrey gave up early on that route and I called that out in the game thread.

[H8R]

The ball was in Torrey's hands, actually he was wrapping it up in his arms. He should have made the catch.



Joe's pass to Torrey late in the game was a perfectly thrown ball and would have hit him in stride had not he hitched looking for the defender.

Torrey has been stinking it up for weeks and I bet he would tell you the same.

All true . Torrey has been pretty awful for a good stretch now. He just doesn't seem to make those contested catches. In that aspect, Marlon and Jacoby are better. Not sure what Torrey's deal is. Also, when is the last time you saw any of our WRs BESIDES Marlon actually comeback to Joe or follow him while he's scrambling? This is just a poorly coached unit, I stand by that!
I wish we had a OC like Gruden or McDaniels or McCarthy... heck, maybe even Kubiak.

[Tatelli]

Once again Brady lights up the middle of the field, and once again when the middle of the field is open we dump off to Rice who the Pats are ghosting. When we need first downs or just some chain movements why does flacco always throw 15 yard passes? Are our receivers routs 15+ yards or nothing? I'm not blaming Flacco but someone is not using our players abilities correct, like M.Brown and his size across the middle, or screens with rice (with guard and tackle pulling) who is doing us no good in the middle just floating because teams have keyed up on us and that play.

 

Maybe it's just me (a couch fan) but it seems this year our game planing just flat out stinks. Mid game adjustments stinks, and how we manage the clock is really stinky!! This is not players faults more so than coaching problems imo, at what point does Harbs stop with the white collar BS lines and drop the hammer on his staff. Yes maybe this is going on behind closed doors but sometimes I would rather hear our HC put his staff and himself on notice.

[Moderator 3]

All true . Torrey has been pretty awful for a good stretch now. He just doesn't seem to make those contested catches. In that aspect, Marlon and Jacoby are better. Not sure what Torrey's deal is. Also, when is the last time you saw any of our WRs BESIDES Marlon actually comeback to Joe or follow him while he's scrambling? This is just a poorly coached unit, I stand by that!
I wish we had a OC like Gruden or McDaniels or McCarthy... heck, maybe even Kubiak.

I absolutely believe we have the worst coached WRs in the league. They need an experienced "coach" to teach them the finer points, like how to use their bodies to block defenders and when to break off a route. I wish we would bring Mason back as a "consultant".

[jazz1988]

All true . Torrey has been pretty awful for a good stretch now. He just doesn't seem to make those contested catches. In that aspect, Marlon and Jacoby are better. Not sure what Torrey's deal is. Also, when is the last time you saw any of our WRs BESIDES Marlon actually comeback to Joe or follow him while he's scrambling? This is just a poorly coached unit, I stand by that!
I wish we had a OC like Gruden or McDaniels or McCarthy... heck, maybe even Kubiak.

 

Seem like that's the fault of the wide receiver coach not coordinator

[ratedr]

Seem like that's the fault of the wide receiver coach not coordinator

Agreed.

[jazz1988]

Agreed

 

 

I always thought the ravens may need a better  wide receiver coach  but I doubt they let Hostler go especially since Torrey Smith is having his best season yet stat wise and then you have to consider Marlon Brown success which has to be  all credited to Hostler . Torrey Smith having 1,000 receiving yards then having  a undrafted receiver in Marlon Brown whom  has made big plays here and  also may be on his way to breaking  record for the most touchdowns by  a rookie receiver may make it hard for The Ravens to even consider to move on from Hostler. 

[Moderator 3]

I always thought the ravens may need a better  wide receiver coach  but I doubt they let Hostler go especially since Torrey Smith is having his best season yet stat wise and then you have to consider Marlon Brown success which has to be  all credited to Hostler . Torrey Smith having 1,000 receiving yards then having  a undrafted receiver in Marlon Brown whom  has made big plays here and  also may be on his way to breaking  record for the most touchdowns by  a rookie receiver may make it hard for The Ravens to even consider to move on from Hostler.

That just says Marlon has some natural talent and possibly was well coached in college. None of our WRs run routes or make adjustments worth a damn. I don't think they're stupid. I think the coaching isn't getting the job done.

[PuRock]

That just says Marlon has some natural talent and possibly was well coached in college. None of our WRs run routes or make adjustments worth a damn. I don't think they're stupid. I think the coaching isn't getting the job done.

 

Agreed.  There is also little creativity in our offense as well.  Its easier for a defensive coordinator to key into what we are doing and shut it down.

 

We go into a week with a specific gameplan.  If it works, we keep doing it (usually because we are winning that specific matchup).  But the problem is when it doesn't work.  We still keep doing it!  We come out of halftime, and we still keep doing it!

 

Then you throw in the problems with receivers lacking separation, not helping when a play breaks down, etc.  And it can get ugly. Coaching all the way.

[H8R]

Seem like that's the fault of the wide receiver coach not coordinator

It's a multifaceted issue. The OC has his fingerprint on the whole offense
I guess my point is, a new OC would probably want to supplement his staff with guys of his choosing.

[H8R]

I absolutely believe we have the worst coached WRs in the league. They need an experienced "coach" to teach them the finer points, like how to use their bodies to block defenders and when to break off a route. I wish we would bring Mason back as a "consultant".

A giant issue is we don't have a seasoned vet that has mastered his craft. Torrey and Jacoby are the oldest WRs we have and neither are very polished. They're explosive, but that's about the extent their attributes that are highly rated.

Maybe Stokely was that guy, but it's hard to take dvice from a guy in the training room. I honestly think that Marlons future is just as bright as Torrey.

Marlon will finish with more then 500 yards and 6 TDs . That's a heck of a compliment for an undrafted guy coming off of an injury, especially in this offense. I just feel he's more of a natural WR. Once he refines his game, he should be an automatic choice for Joe.

[Tank 92]

All true . Torrey has been pretty awful for a good stretch now. He just doesn't seem to make those contested catches. In that aspect, Marlon and Jacoby are better. Not sure what Torrey's deal is. Also, when is the last time you saw any of our WRs BESIDES Marlon actually comeback to Joe or follow him while he's scrambling? This is just a poorly coached unit, I stand by that!
I wish we had a OC like Gruden or McDaniels or McCarthy... heck, maybe even Kubiak.

 

 

I absolutely believe we have the worst coached WRs in the league. They need an experienced "coach" to teach them the finer points, like how to use their bodies to block defenders and when to break off a route. I wish we would bring Mason back as a "consultant".

 

 

While I'm not disagreeing about coaching, I don't know how you coach up some of the mistakes we've been seeing. Dropped balls, mistimed leaps, alligator arms and just poor execution seem to be faults to be put on the individual.

[Ravenglenn]

Let Harbaugh have one more chance, only if he does a complete staff change.  Cut the dismal performers, whoever they are, and for crying out loud, get a quality back-up qb!

[Tank 92]

A giant issue is we don't have a seasoned vet that has mastered his craft. Torrey and Jacoby are the oldest WRs we have and neither are very polished. They're explosive, but that's about the extent their attributes that are highly rated.

Maybe Stokely was that guy, but it's hard totals advice from a guy in the training room. I honestly think that Marlons future is just as bright as Torrey.

 

 

IMO this is spot on. And it's a damn shame Stoke couldn't remain healthy. I luv that guy, he was a baller in every sense of the word.