Fire________, Cut________ Rant, Patriots version

[jdynamite]

Rather disappointing that this team no longer control their playoff destiny. Now they must have a dolphins loss along with a Win of our own. It's too bad our game next week is an early game. And NE game is late. Because now Cincy has to play all out for a win for the possibility of a BYE Week ( if NE loses later on that day ).

[jdynamite]

Why is Boldin still being discussed here??? Got in a heated debate withy Brother ( Packer fan) about Boldin yesterday. For myself: there's no point in imagining things would be different with Boldin, just because the man is near a 1,000 yds with SF doesn't mean he would have done it here. Or like when a WR drops a pass, "the oh Q woulda caught that" as if he would have been the person running that exact same route.

[HoldingCall]

I don't think you did watch the game... The defense had some flashes but for the mos part... they were on their heels... missing tackles, poor block shedding , very limited pressure and really... they were just a step behind anything the pats wanted to do. Those giant runs up the middle were horrible. A few points in the game I saw Ngata 15 yards down the field , it wasn't designed. Cody filled a hole solidly... but then missed a tackle that went for a big run game. The Dline, really has been a weakness for awhile... which is weird because I'd say that's where we're most talented.

When playing Brady or Manning, teams have to keep them on the bench more than on the field. We were not able to do that.

[ratedr]

Why is Boldin still being discussed here??? Got in a heated debate withy Brother ( Packer fan) about Boldin yesterday. For myself: there's no point in imagining things would be different with Boldin, just because the man is near a 1,000 yds with SF doesn't mean he would have done it here. Or like when a WR drops a pass, "the oh Q woulda caught that" as if he would have been the person running that exact same route.

Of course a Packer fan thinks Boldin is great, that game was 1/5th of his production lol.

[HoldingCall]

I disagree. I think Q could have got us an extra game or two in some of those many close games that we lost.

I agree with you! There were a lot of very close games this year. Too many to think Q would not have made a difference in any of them; actually kind of comical reading some responses. Bottom line, it was a choice the FO felt they were better off making at that time.

[HoldingCall]

Point is that Q doesn't fix the fundamental problems keeping us from being true contenders.

You are correct, Q doesn't fix the problem but to imply that he would not have made a difference in any of the close games is just way over the top. However, what's done is done!

[rmw10]

You are correct, Q doesn't fix the problem but to imply that he would not have made a difference in any of the close games is just way over the top. However, what's done is done!

 

It goes both ways though.  If we have Boldin, Marlon Brown probably wouldn't be playing.  Would we win that Minnesota game without Brown?  You're last sentence sums it up.  Maybe Boldin helps, maybe he doesn't.  Either way though, he's gone.  People need to move on and stop dwelling on Boldin.

[ratedr]

You are correct, Q doesn't fix the problem but to imply that he would not have made a difference in any of the close games is just way over the top. However, what's done is done!

But how does that help us.moving forward? You can't contend without a balanced offense, and Boldin was never gonna be a Raven after 2013.

[H8R]

When playing Brady or Manning, teams have to keep them on the bench more than on the field. We were not able to do that.

and the defense generally has to force turnovers too. Brady and the Pats don't lose much if they have a clean game with no turnovers.

[HoldingCall]

But how does that help us.moving forward? You can't contend without a balanced offense, and Boldin was never gonna be a Raven after 2013.

Discussing a player from the past does nothing for the present or future, it's just a conversation. Again, what's done is done. 

[Cville-Raven]

Blame the backup QB? and someone who isn't on the field? how about we blame the guys who can't execute for not executing, that includes Flacco.

Look Ive already given Flacco enough grief in the game day thread. Im just saying these guys need to go. I mean you have 3rd and 1 in the red zone and you're throwing the ball to wideouts who aren't getting any separation…smh. Execution is one thing but stupid play calling should be addressed as well. 

[Cville-Raven]

Neither are free agents and if we build through the draft money shouldn't be an issue! P.S. If Torrey is asking for #1 Wr money, he can go to the Redskins!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is no way a #1!!!!!!!

I would kill myself if he went to the redskins. No player should go to that awful POS franchise.

[SecretAgentMan]

I would kill myself if he went to the redskins. No player should go to that awful POS franchise.

Hahahaha

[Tank 92]

I agree with you! There were a lot of very close games this year. Too many to think Q would not have made a difference in any of them; actually kind of comical reading some responses. Bottom line, it was a choice the FO felt they were better off making at that time.

 

 

Actually, I think having a healthy Pitta would have meant much more than having Q. 

[TSizzle00]

I never likened Q to Rice but I will say Q is far more physical and has stronger hands then anyone we have on our team now.

 

Don't get me wrong Q is a good WR but the Ravens have so many more problems then missing 1 WR. Yesterday made that very clear

[HoldingCall]

Actually, I think having a healthy Pitta would have meant much more than having Q. 

A healthy Pitta would have helped. The only way to compare them is through their ages. Pitta is a better long term solution.

[HoldingCall]

Don't get me wrong Q is a good WR but the Ravens have so many more problems then missing 1 WR. Yesterday made that very clear

Very true! It's been clear the whole season.

[TSizzle00]

Flacco says the brace didn't matter. The game showed otherwise and while he had been turning over the ball a lot recently his passes I mean nearly all of them looked terrible. He wouldn't really run and he fell when nobody touched him but yes his knee DIDN"T bother him. Right

[H8R]

He would have not taken Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody in rounds 2 and 3 in 2010 .. Look at that draft, it's enough to make you cry!

Uhhh.. this is a horrendous comment.. The Pats aren't exactly draft masters.
Was that draft good for the Ravens? No, but without actually knowing what others team have done in the draft (obviously you don't ) it's a silly comment.
See for yourself
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm

[jimmypowder]

I think Flacco 'a knee is much worse then they are saying . You know the coaches are gonna hide info . They even said he wasn't gonna get an MRI , then we find out he had an MRI . He looked very immobile and was appeared to be favoring the leg .

[izvoodoo]

Uhhh.. this is a horrendous comment.. The Pats aren't exactly draft masters.
Was that draft good for the Ravens? No, but without actually knowing what others team have done in the draft (obviously you don't ) it's a silly comment.
See for yourself
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm

I am genuinely impressed with how well they play and how poorly they draft.

[ratedr]

I am genuinely impressed with how well they play and how poorly they draft.

Having the best coach/QB combo of all time does wonders.

[rondubs]

I think the Ravens better take a gooood look at the OC at the end of the year.  Ive posted before but im sure it was overlooked.

I think Jim Caldwell is a good coach on the team but I dont think he should remain the OC.  This is only his second year at it and

it may not be his strength.  He may be a better COACH then a COORDINATOR and I hope the Ravens will notice by years' end.  Even though our team had some turnover on the offense, the reason our offense looks so different is because the OC and Castillo changed the scheme of the offensive run game.  Had that not happened, the Ravens would be at the least averaging 4 yards per carry.  Avg. -3 yards a carry is unacceptable.  Rice has never done that in his career and even injuries dont create that much of a change.  If you need proof, look at Pierce.  He has a poor YPC too.  They should not have changed the run scheme.  That cost us many victories this season.  Even against the Broncos, we could have won if our run game produced and they had never implemented that new run scheme.  We have lost many games by 8 points or less.  In all those games, or most, we barely had any run game at all.  If we had ran the run game of a year ago WITHOUT the scheme changes, we would have gotten ourselves another TOUCHDOWN or two.  Im sure of it.  They just mentioned that we scored a run touchdown for the first time in 5 GAMES against the Patriots.  How do you live with that?  That stat never sounds like anything associated with a RAVENS TEAM.  So, I would say we need to get rid of our OC at the end of this season and give him a complimentary role.  I think he should remain with the team but maybe as someone to work with the new OC and get Joe Flacco advice and help to get the offense to click.  Our Shotgun pistol offense needs to go on first down.  We need to have a power look or even 3wrs and 2 back sets ...or even 2 backs, 2 wrs and a tight end look.  Rice and Pierce dont have Leach anymore for help.  That doesnt make any sense if you know our OL isnt our strength this year.  Lastly, misdirection runs wouldnt hurt.  I havent seen a misdirection run from the Ravens since.......Jamal Lewis?   ...and he sure was successful doing it.   If you look at tape, many of JLews big gains came from misdirection and defenses overpursuit.  I dont know why our run game doesnt want to keep the defense honest.  I saw Detriot and New England do it to us!

[rondubs]

Flacco usually looks GREAT when the run game  looks GOOD or better.....if you wonder why Flacco has had a rough year, look no further.

[FerrariFan87]

Juan Castillo has to go after this season. Enough is enough. It ain't workin'!!

[5aiah]

Flacco usually looks GREAT when the run game  looks GOOD or better.....if you wonder why Flacco has had a rough year, look no further.

He fits best in a run first system of course, given his strengths and limitations, but he has done an admirable job going out there with 3 WRs and no run game all year. This offense is built to run though, thats a reason why we don't have better receivers for Joe. But to be honest even with better weapons him throwing 50 times will lead to too many turnovers given his inconsistent accuracy,questionable decision making, and average ability to read and dissect defenses. But again, Joe has done a great job out of his element and his toughness and will can't be denied.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

If somebody would have told me that we out passed Brady, rushed for over 100 yds with a 4+ yds per avg and more total offensive plays from scrimmage I would swear we won the game (If I didn't see the final score).

We can't blame the coaches, single-out one player or the FO on this one. It was just an utter, complete, undeniable team meltdown. Absolutely humbling total breakdown on all levels. In short, we had a bad day.

That is just what it is. But the upside: That last game out of the equation, we've been getting better in the OL scheme, we've been rushing and protecting better, and the defense rarely has mediocre showings. We're still in the hunt.

[52N19]

torrey smith needed to hold on to the deep pass on the first possesion. torrey is good but he is not a top end #1 receiver. i don;t know how we keep jacoby but if we can we better. he's got as good of hands as smith and gives us special teams opportunites.

[T3hRaven]

I would...in particular if I was rice. Id be ashamed to be stealing and stopping us from landing a Byrd this off season.

We're not signing Byrd, FS isn't that important. But Rice doesn't care that his production doesn't warrant his contract. #straightcashhomie #allthewaytothebank

[Tru11]

torrey smith needed to hold on to the deep pass on the first possesion. torrey is good but he is not a top end #1 receiver. i don;t know how we keep jacoby but if we can we better. he's got as good of hands as smith and gives us special teams opportunites.

 

come on now man.

 

that pass was underthrown.

 

its not easy to stop when running a full speed and then adjust and try to catch a ball with defenders catching up to you to break it up.

 

TBH this season flacco seems to not be able to hit his wrs in stride and it often seems they have to adjust alot to passes thrown to them.

 

this game probaly had alot to do with his knee and well it doesent help the o-line sucks most of the time either...

this teams problems are on the o-line...