Terrell Suggs, where is he?

[Tank 92]

 

2013 stats

79 tackles (47/32), 10 sacks and counting.....

 

 

 

That doesn't tell the story. He played really well for a few games at the beginning of the season building those stats, but has been pretty much invisible since the beginning of November.

 

Edit;  If there was one player I thought would have a great game against the patsies, it was Sizzle. Disappointing to say the least.

[rmw10]

That doesn't tell the story. He played really well for a few games at the beginning of the season building those stats, but has been pretty much invisible since the beginning of November.

 

This.  He was looking like a DPOY candidate at the beginning of the year, and has now seemingly fallen off the face of the earth.

[Kaiowas]

history shows that Suggs is in high level, and his companions don´t take advantage .

They adjusted mark on Suggs and problem solved.

It was logical that it could not maintain the level all season, rival and his own physical state (speaking of injury).

The problem is not  Suggs , the problem is the defense 

[gabefergy]

That doesn't tell the story. He played really well for a few games at the beginning of the season building those stats, but has been pretty much invisible since the beginning of November.

Edit; If there was one player I thought would have a great game against the patsies, it was Sizzle. Disappointing to say the least.

Hr did have a great game against the pats.

[Tank 92]

Hr did have a great game against the pats.

 

 

He was OK, but not what I would call great.  2 solos and a sack. Heck tommy just fell down when he saw him on his one sack.

 

I don't like the new "kinder, gentler" Sizzle.  Seems he's lost his edge.

[gabefergy]

He was OK, but not what I would call great. 2 solos and a sack. Heck tommy just fell down when he saw him on his one sack.

I don't like the new "kinder, gentler" Sizzle. Seems he's lost his edge.

He had 5 stops and an explosive TFL to go with the sack

[Tank 92]

He had 5 stops and an explosive TFL to go with the sack

 

 

If you think he was great that's fine.  I expected much more, especially given his recent slump.

[The Raven]

Suggs is on my crap list. He may have played a good game against New England, but saying "[Expletive] happens" shows a lack of leadership to me. He suggested that they burn the tape. Poor leadership. Would Ray ever say either of those things?

 

I get the feeling Suggs has given up on this season.

[gabefergy]

Suggs is on my crap list. He may have played a good game against New England, but saying "[Expletive] happens" shows a lack of leadership to me. He suggested that they burn the tape. Poor leadership. Would Ray ever say either of those things?

I get the feeling Suggs has given up on this season.

Isn't "burn the tape" a pretty common phrase after getting whooped? They know they got their butts handed to them, so you go prepare for next week and not dwell on the loss.

[PoeDinkum]

Suggs is on my crap list. He may have played a good game against New England, but saying "[Expletive] happens" shows a lack of leadership to me. He suggested that they burn the tape. Poor leadership. Would Ray ever say either of those things?

 

I get the feeling Suggs has given up on this season.

This is a very interesting notion. I get the sense that Sizzle enjoyed the 1-2 punch he and Lewis vocally provided on that team. While Ed was mumbling and grumbling while stalking in the secondary, 55 and 52 could wreak havoc on opposing QBs. Now that Ray Ray is gone, it's like he isn't his usual self.

 

I think he knows he needed to step up, but doesn't have the "it" qualities to do so. Yeah, yeah, I know no one can replace Ray, (geesh) BUT it doesn't mean that he can't step up to play the drum to inspire others to do their best. Frankly, I give Joe more credit for stepping up to get the team to march to the beat of his drum, than Sizzle. Joe's been at the forefront at the mic every step of the way this year.

 

At least Sizzles curt remarks don't distract the team from their jobs, but as you point out, they don't exactly inspire those around him to look in the mirror for accountability and dig deeper if they come up deficient. 

[Ed_Reed20]

Suggs is on my crap list. He may have played a good game against New England, but saying "[Expletive] happens" shows a lack of leadership to me. He suggested that they burn the tape. Poor leadership. Would Ray ever say either of those things?

 

I get the feeling Suggs has given up on this season.

 

Ray might not have even got in front of the cameras. Suggs might not be the vocal leader Ray was on the field but he's never shied away from the cameras after a loss. 

[Guest Im An Ozzie Newsome Guy]

So, honestly, what are the chances Terrell Suggs is even with the Ravens in 2014, at this point? Seeing how Baltimore can save a whopping $7.8 million by cutting Suggs, that money (in addition to the $3.2 million the team can save by dumping Jameel McClain) can go a long way to re-signing guys like Monroe, Jacoby Jones, Pitta or even Arthur Jones.

 

I mean, Suggs is only 31 years old; he'll be 32 come next October. Usually, that age suggests a player should have something left in the tank. But, we're talking about Terrell Suggs, here. Two years ago, the man was the League's Defensive Player of the Year (and for good reason). Then, we know what happened: Suggs tears his achilles tendon in the off-season; however, despite not being anywhere near full-strength, he came back 7 weeks into the season and helped the Ravens win a Super Bowl.

 

This year, halfway through the season, Suggs was an early candidate for DPoY (despite the team's 3-5 record) and it looked like the Suggs-Dumervil combo was going to be an unstoppable force. Going into the game against the Bengals at home, Suggs had 35 tackles, 25 assisted tackles and 9 sacks. However, since then, he's only had 12 tackles, 7 assists and just one sack. While stats aren't everything, tape suggests that something is not right. I mean, just look how terrible Suggs defended the edge on that Reggie Bush 14-yard touchdown in the game in Detroit. Although, that neck injury he sustained in practice, before the Bears game, could be a factor in his diminished play.

 

Would it just be better to move-on from the Terrell Suggs era, altogether; or, is there a chance he will re-sign on a smaller deal? Personally, I don't think Suggs will want to re-sign for a smaller contract and I don't think this franchise can afford to let young(er) players who will be free agents in these next 2 off-seasons (that have yet to peak) walk away without Baltimore putting-in a serious offer. Most likely, I highly expect Haloti Ngata to be cut in 2015 (to save that huge $8.5 million) and I wouldn't be surprised if Ozzie Newsome will do the same to Suggs, this off-season.

 

Look, I don't want to see Terrell Suggs leave in that capacity: I would love to see him retire a Raven. But, business is business; and, sometimes, you've just got to do what is best to keep the organization moving forward...

[PoeDinkum]

So, honestly, what are the chances Terrell Suggs is even with the Ravens in 2014, at this point? Seeing how Baltimore can save a whopping $7.8 million by cutting Suggs, that money (in addition to the $3.2 million the team can save by dumping Jameel McClain) can go a long way to re-signing guys like Monroe, Jacoby Jones, Pitta or even Arthur Jones.

 

I mean, Suggs is only 31 years old; he'll be 32 come next October. Usually, that age suggests a player should have something left in the tank. But, we're talking about Terrell Suggs, here. Two years ago, the man was the League's Defensive Player of the Year (and for good reason). Then, we know what happened: Suggs tears his achilles tendon in the off-season; however, despite not being anywhere near full-strength, he came back 7 weeks into the season and helped the Ravens win a Super Bowl.

 

This year, halfway through the season, Suggs was an early candidate for DPoY (despite the team's 3-5 record) and it looked like the Suggs-Dumervil combo was going to be an unstoppable force. Going into the game against the Bengals at home, Suggs had 35 tackles, 25 assisted tackles and 9 sacks. However, since then, he's only had 12 tackles, 7 assists and just one sack. While stats aren't everything, tape suggests that something is not right. I mean, just look how terrible Suggs defended the edge on that Reggie Bush 14-yard touchdown in the game in Detroit. Although, that neck injury he sustained in practice, before the Bears game, could be a factor in his diminished play.

 

Would it just be better to move-on from the Terrell Suggs era, altogether; or, is there a chance he will re-sign on a smaller deal? Personally, I don't think Suggs will want to re-sign for a smaller contract and I don't think this franchise can afford to let young(er) players who will be free agents in these next 2 off-seasons (that have yet to peak) walk away without Baltimore putting-in a serious offer. Most likely, I highly expect Haloti Ngata to be cut in 2015 (to save that huge $8.5 million) and I wouldn't be surprised if Ozzie Newsome will do the same to Suggs, this off-season.

 

Look, I don't want to see Terrell Suggs leave in that capacity: I would love to see him retire a Raven. But, business is business; and, sometimes, you've just got to do what is best to keep the organization moving forward...

You make some really great points, thanks for the numbers too! When would we have to decide this? Would this have to occur prior to March 11 before the draft? Part of me thinks this decision is draft and free agent dependent, or even whether a guy like Courtney Brown could flip and we resign Doom (though not likely).

 

I agree with you, it may be sacrilege to even consider this but nevertheless it MUST be considered, especially goodness gracious if the PATS or STEELERS make him an offer he can't refuse. Ugh.

[rmw10]

You make some really great points, thanks for the numbers too! When would we have to decide this? Would this have to occur prior to March 11 before the draft? Part of me thinks this decision is draft and free agent dependent, or even whether a guy like Courtney Brown could flip and we resign Doom (though not likely).

 

I agree with you, it may be sacrilege to even consider this but nevertheless it MUST be considered, especially goodness gracious if the PATS or STEELERS make him an offer he can't refuse. Ugh.

 

It doesn't have to happen on any certain date.  I suspect that it is in our plans to keep him right now, but if we get into free agency and there's a younger guy that we really want, Suggs could certainly get cut.  The same can hold true if we want all 3 of Monroe, Pitta, and Art Jones, too.  That's a lot of money to be saved.  It's certainly not forgone that he'd be cut, and I'd consider it unlikely in my personal opinion, but people should definitely brace themselves and at least realize it's possible.

[redrum52]

Haven't re watched games so not sure if its ineffectiveness or scheme. I would say rest him but it's too deep in the season now. Might be me but he doesn't seem to be playing the run as well as he should. Not sure if his his responsibility or the guys on the d line allowing holes to open up. The Pats game seemed we got no pressure and it always seems like backs get yards off second chance opportunities against our d, like its initially shut down but no play is made on the ball carrier and thy break free.

[gabefergy]

Haven't re watched games so not sure if its ineffectiveness or scheme. I would say rest him but it's too deep in the season now. Might be me but he doesn't seem to be playing the run as well as he should. Not sure if his his responsibility or the guys on the d line allowing holes to open up. The Pats game seemed we got no pressure and it always seems like backs get yards off second chance opportunities against our d, like its initially shut down but no play is made on the ball carrier and thy break free.

He's played the run exceptionally well this season. The game in Detroit was an outlier in that regard. He has been inconsistent as a pass-rusher though.

[The Raven]

Isn't "burn the tape" a pretty common phrase after getting whooped? They know they got their butts handed to them, so you go prepare for next week and not dwell on the loss.

 

He said there's nothing to learn from it, and that just shows a lack of leadership, and really, a lack of caring about the team's performance. 

[redlobster]

You make some really great points, thanks for the numbers too! When would we have to decide this? Would this have to occur prior to March 11 before the draft? Part of me thinks this decision is draft and free agent dependent, or even whether a guy like Courtney Brown could flip and we resign Doom (though not likely).

I agree with you, it may be sacrilege to even consider this but nevertheless it MUST be considered, especially goodness gracious if the PATS or STEELERS make him an offer he can't refuse. Ugh.

Steelers are in such cap hell that they could never make suggs a realistic offer if it ever got to that point.

[Bullrush]

He said there's nothing to learn from it, and that just shows a lack of leadership, and really, a lack of caring about the team's performance. 

 

What is there to learn from, we just plain sucked. It's not like we made a couple minor mistakes we need to fix. We just sucked. Joe is not gonna learn anything by watching himself trip over his own foot. Every other loss I'd say go look at the tape and fix all the little mistakes, but we just plain sucked. That isn't us. Burn the tape and move on, I don't think there's anything to learn from last weeks game. They just have to be physical and do what they have been doing before last weeks game and we will go back to winning games again.

 

Besides, Suggs has been with Ray over 10 years, I'm sure that's exactly what Ray would have said. Maybe not in public, that's where Suggs is Suggs maybe. But Canty said the same thing on NFL Network so it doesn't really have anything to do with lack of leadership or caring. That's how the guys deal with that awful performance.

[Kaiowas]

So, honestly, what are the chances Terrell Suggs is even with the Ravens in 2014, at this point? Seeing how Baltimore can save a whopping $7.8 million by cutting Suggs, that money (in addition to the $3.2 million the team can save by dumping Jameel McClain) can go a long way to re-signing guys like Monroe, Jacoby Jones, Pitta or even Arthur Jones.

 

I mean, Suggs is only 31 years old; he'll be 32 come next October. Usually, that age suggests a player should have something left in the tank. But, we're talking about Terrell Suggs, here. Two years ago, the man was the League's Defensive Player of the Year (and for good reason). Then, we know what happened: Suggs tears his achilles tendon in the off-season; however, despite not being anywhere near full-strength, he came back 7 weeks into the season and helped the Ravens win a Super Bowl.

 

This year, halfway through the season, Suggs was an early candidate for DPoY (despite the team's 3-5 record) and it looked like the Suggs-Dumervil combo was going to be an unstoppable force. Going into the game against the Bengals at home, Suggs had 35 tackles, 25 assisted tackles and 9 sacks. However, since then, he's only had 12 tackles, 7 assists and just one sack. While stats aren't everything, tape suggests that something is not right. I mean, just look how terrible Suggs defended the edge on that Reggie Bush 14-yard touchdown in the game in Detroit. Although, that neck injury he sustained in practice, before the Bears game, could be a factor in his diminished play.

 

Would it just be better to move-on from the Terrell Suggs era, altogether; or, is there a chance he will re-sign on a smaller deal? Personally, I don't think Suggs will want to re-sign for a smaller contract and I don't think this franchise can afford to let young(er) players who will be free agents in these next 2 off-seasons (that have yet to peak) walk away without Baltimore putting-in a serious offer. Most likely, I highly expect Haloti Ngata to be cut in 2015 (to save that huge $8.5 million) and I wouldn't be surprised if Ozzie Newsome will do the same to Suggs, this off-season.

 

Look, I don't want to see Terrell Suggs leave in that capacity: I would love to see him retire a Raven. But, business is business; and, sometimes, you've just got to do what is best to keep the organization moving forward...

 

 

  It's certainly not forgone that he'd be cut, and I'd consider it unlikely in my personal opinion, but people should definitely brace themselves and at least realize it's possible.

 

 

i agree with the two

Love Suggs, be cut by cap savings  and not your performance

[The Raven]

What is there to learn from, we just plain sucked. It's not like we made a couple minor mistakes we need to fix. We just sucked. Joe is not gonna learn anything by watching himself trip over his own foot. Every other loss I'd say go look at the tape and fix all the little mistakes, but we just plain sucked. That isn't us. Burn the tape and move on, I don't think there's anything to learn from last weeks game. They just have to be physical and do what they have been doing before last weeks game and we will go back to winning games again.

 

Besides, Suggs has been with Ray over 10 years, I'm sure that's exactly what Ray would have said. Maybe not in public, that's where Suggs is Suggs maybe. But Canty said the same thing on NFL Network so it doesn't really have anything to do with lack of leadership or caring. That's how the guys deal with that awful performance.

 

You've obviously never actually watched film as a player.

 

Like dude, no offense, but there is always something to learn from every game. This game can show a lot about the lack of effort on the field during a game... Looking at Suggs again.....

[SizzleSuggs55]

I can understand the lack of sack production with him getting so much attention from offensive lines, but at least he bounced back from the Detroit game in terms of holding the edge. Was in the backfield quite a lot disrupting plays. Hopefully we get another great game from him in cinci.

[redlobster]

I can understand the lack of sack production with him getting so much attention from offensive lines, but at least he bounced back from the Detroit game in terms of holding the edge. Was in the backfield quite a lot disrupting plays. Hopefully we get another great game from him in cinci.

Wasn't that the whole purpose of bringing in dumervil, So teams couldn't as easily double him but suggs has been Mia for weeks and appears much heavier than the start of the season.

[Bullrush]

You've obviously never actually watched film as a player.

 

Like dude, no offense, but there is always something to learn from every game. This game can show a lot about the lack of effort on the field during a game... Looking at Suggs again.....

 

If the players, the leaders of the team feel like it's the best thing to move on ASAP from this loss and focus on the Bengals, then that's what it is. We only have a few days to get ready for a very good team. Joe is not that limited mentally that he needs to see himself stumble in order to realize he screwed up there. They'll watch the tape regardless, they always do that. You can't just come in and say I'm not watching tapes today, that's usually what teams do the first 1-2 days after a game. You take all that stuff way, way too literal/serious. As if Suggs went to CBS or whoever aired the game and asked them to burn the tape so he wouldn't have to watch it. They'll watch it and find things to correct, but you acting like they need to extensively study every little piece of everything that happened vs the Pats in a short week right before we play the Bengals in our most important game of the year is ridiculous. They don't have time for that, they know what they did wrong and how to fix it. They didn't show up that day, period.

 

And once again, it's not Suggs, stop it already. Canty said the same thing on NFL Network so stop with your "Suggs is bad for this team" agenda. The guy cares more about this team and is more passionate about this team than anybody else on the roster, by far. So calm down with the painting of a bad picture. Or at least go after Canty as well if these comments really bother you. The people in the locker room look at it the same way, they agree with him so maybe you're just wrong here. Could that possibly be?

[Bullrush]

Wasn't that the whole purpose of bringing in dumervil, So teams couldn't as easily double him but suggs has been Mia for weeks and appears much heavier than the start of the season.

 

It's no coincidence his numbers/performance dropped after he injured his neck. He looked very good against the Pats, he had a couple QB hits, a sack, a couple tackles for a loss. So let's calm down, he can't put up 50 sacks in each game. Where is Dumervil in all of this? He combined for 6 total tackles the last 3 games with a bunch of big goose eggs (sacks, tackles for a loss, QB hits etc.). Suggs was struggling as well over that period but he's been heavily criticized, and now he bounced back. I don't see anybody going after Dumervil and he hasn't bounced back at all, the guy is absolutely invisible.

[redlobster]

It's no coincidence his numbers/performance dropped after he injured his neck. He looked very good against the Pats, he had a couple QB hits, a sack, a couple tackles for a loss. So let's calm down, he can't put up 50 sacks in each game. Where is Dumervil in all of this? He combined for 6 total tackles the last 3 games with a bunch of big goose eggs (sacks, tackles for a loss, QB hits etc.). Suggs was struggling as well over that period but he's been heavily criticized, and now he bounced back. I don't see anybody going after Dumervil and he hasn't bounced back at all, the guy is absolutely invisible.

 

Dumveril has never been the player suggs is or was, not to mention Dumveril generally plays a fraction of the snaps Suggs plays.

[gabefergy]

You've obviously never actually watched film as a player.

Like dude, no offense, but there is always something to learn from every game. This game can show a lot about the lack of effort on the field during a game... Looking at Suggs again.....

What can you learn from lack of effort? If its a technique problem or recognition/missed assignment, sure.

[Bullrush]

Dumveril has never been the player suggs is or was, not to mention Dumveril generally plays a fraction of the snaps Suggs plays.

 

Dumervil is one of the leagues best pass rushers so that's no excuse, just because he's not as complete a player as Suggs is. Nobody is. But in terms of pass rushing he's one of the best and somewhat equal to Suggs. Well he's supposed to be. Right now he's invisible. And that's unacceptable considering how much money he makes. He just doesn't get the job done right now. Unacceptable to put up goose eggs in every category when you make that much money. So let's not look for excuses here. If he had a neck injury like Suggs it wouldn't even be an issue, but he's just not playing well. Yet Suggs is getting criticized like crazy even though his numbers dropped after injuring his neck. And now he's bouncing back. I don't get how you can still call him out...

[Militant X 1]

Suggs and Dumervil need to get to Dalton....wrap him up and get him on the ground....early and often!  No exceptions!

 

#Mili

[SizzleSuggs55]

I can understand the lack of sack production with him getting so much attention from offensive lines, but at least he bounced back from the Detroit game in terms of holding the edge. Was in the backfield quite a lot disrupting plays. Hopefully we get another great game from him in cinci.

 

Wasn't that the whole purpose of bringing in dumervil, So teams couldn't as easily double him but suggs has been Mia for weeks and appears much heavier than the start of the season.

He does look heavier, and the lack of sacks is surprising. But he's always been a good run defender and it was good to see him get back to it last sunday. Doom is actually creating a lot of pressure, but just isn't getting there. Defenses are alot more scared of sizzle than doom.