Terrell Suggs, where is he?

[Tank 92]

Sizzle has been MIA for weeks. He doesn't like tommy very much though, and I see him making it a long evening for Miss brady on Sunday.

 

Off topic;  Gotta show some luv for The Tongan Beast. He's been solid the past couple of weeks and is staying off of the injury report. Looking for big things from Haloti the next 6 games.  :D

[Bltravens]

To me it looked like he got bigger weight wise. In the beginning of the year he looked lean and quick, but now he looked like he added about 10-15 pounds and has slowed down. I don't know if that's a fact, but I usually catch on to things like that.

This is absolutely it.  I rewatched the Behind the Bench stuff from the Lions game and Suggs is definitely rocking extra junk in the trunk and a spare tire right now.

He looks nothing like he did in Training Camp.

[cursona pirate]

Right now he is probably sleeping in his house. But that's my guess. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Its been a long season and fatigue is probably catching up with him but I think he still has plenty of gas left in his tank and will show up big on Sunday. T-Sizzle has not fizzled! If Solder can't play for the Pats, Terrell will have a field day with Tommy's boys. I do miss Jarrett Johnson though when it comes to setting the edge.

[codizzle]

You guys know how LFW is posting PFF grades? They somehow forgot to put up Suggs' -5.0 from this past week. Ouch.

PFF isn't perfect by any stretch (they graded Jimmy -.3, really??), but that might have been the worst game I have seen out if Sizzle.

I was curious what his grade was

This was the first game where I just literally wondered what sizzle was doing

Not just from a pass rush standpoint but mainly in the running game..

Earlier post was right too.. Teams are really respecting our pass rush and getting rid of the ball quick

[izvoodoo]

I was curious what his grade was

This was the first game where I just literally wondered what sizzle was doing

Not just from a pass rush standpoint but mainly in the running game..

Earlier post was right too.. Teams are really respecting our pass rush and getting rid of the ball quick

 

 

This is true. Suggs was never lightning quick off the edge, but I do think he has lost a step.

His best attribute for years has been his excellent run defense, and even that went out the window last night. He got abused by Pettigrew on that TD run.

So I went back and checked the tape, rewatched the game and a couple of points reassured me that teams still take Suggs very seriously.

Suggs was never in pure Iso, unless it was a designed quick release like a wide receiver screen.  If he was on the field, and it was a called pass, the TE was always lined up to his side and RBs always released to his side.

Dumervile was not double teamed during the game.  So teams are still game planning to neutralize Suggs and his presence is degrading their offense.

 

In other words if not for Suggs Dumerville wouldn't be as productive as he's been.

 

He got multiple pressures including a major one that forced a quick release and a hit.  No one was near the ball but it was a floater and could have been an interception.  The bush td was inexcusable.  Suggs tried to crash in on a pass set, giving up the edge to Bush.  In fact on several plays he tried to crash inside, since we were playing a lot of Nickel sets we had a lot of 6 man fronts.  Both edge players (Usually upshaw) are trying to cheat in to help out the weaker fronts.

 

What teams were doing were lining up a TE or RB on Suggs side and chipping, so he had to take an inside rush.  They then sat on the power and still lost.  There were 4 snaps where Suggs would have gotten there in another half a second.

 

But teams in general are trying not to contest our pass rush.  They want to try to go after our secondary, since we don't have great ball hawks.  We haven't gotten a lot of sacks in general.  No team is holding the ball longer than 3 seconds against us the last 6 games.  That's why we only had 1 sack and 3 picks.

 

My bigger concern with Suggs is he simply can't play the type of Snap count at his age that is required for his level of pay.  I think he only played half the snaps.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Now that he is the face of our "D" he's drawing double teams, chip blocks, etc......Check Doom's numbers and you can see. It's respect for Sizzle and oh yeah, Elvis is in the building! It get's better, wait for it.

[Kaiowas]

2009 stats

59 tackles (44/15 ), 4,5 sacks, 1 f

 

2010 stats

68 tackles (53/15), 11 sacks , 2 f

 

2011 stats

70 tackles (50/20), 14 scks, 7  

 

2013 stats

74 tackles (45/29), 9 sacks and counting.....

[codizzle]

So I went back and checked the tape, rewatched the game and a couple of points reassured me that teams still take Suggs very seriously.
Suggs was never in pure Iso, unless it was a designed quick release like a wide receiver screen. If he was on the field, and it was a called pass, the TE was always lined up to his side and RBs always released to his side.
Dumervile was not double teamed during the game. So teams are still game planning to neutralize Suggs and his presence is degrading their offense.

In other words if not for Suggs Dumerville wouldn't be as productive as he's been.

He got multiple pressures including a major one that forced a quick release and a hit. No one was near the ball but it was a floater and could have been an interception. The bush td was inexcusable. Suggs tried to crash in on a pass set, giving up the edge to Bush. In fact on several plays he tried to crash inside, since we were playing a lot of Nickel sets we had a lot of 6 man fronts. Both edge players (Usually upshaw) are trying to cheat in to help out the weaker fronts.

What teams were doing were lining up a TE or RB on Suggs side and chipping, so he had to take an inside rush. They then sat on the power and still lost. There were 4 snaps where Suggs would have gotten there in another half a second.

But teams in general are trying not to contest our pass rush. They want to try to go after our secondary, since we don't have great ball hawks. We haven't gotten a lot of sacks in general. No team is holding the ball longer than 3 seconds against us the last 6 games. That's why we only had 1 sack and 3 picks.

My bigger concern with Suggs is he simply can't play the type of Snap count at his age that is required for his level of pay. I think he only played half the snaps.

Yea that's what I was thinking.. Off work tomorrow and hoping to have time to watch game again

[T3hRaven]

I don't think it's unfair to call into question the wisdom of resigning Sizzle. He's essentially disappeared as the season has progressed after a fairly promising start. Maybe age is catching up to him.

[rmw10]

I don't think it's unfair to call into question the wisdom of resigning Sizzle. He's essentially disappeared as the season has progressed after a fairly promising start. Maybe age is catching up to him.

 

I just told Grim that I think Suggs has turned from a must keep/extend guy to one that will be in strong consideration to be cut if we need the money and he doesn't improve.  $7.8M is a lot of money that can be saved.  For the longest time, I thought there was no way he's going anywhere, but I can't discount the possibility at this point.

[FerrariFan87]

Who is this Terrell Suggs person of which you speak?

[gabefergy]

So I went back and checked the tape, rewatched the game and a couple of points reassured me that teams still take Suggs very seriously.

Suggs was never in pure Iso, unless it was a designed quick release like a wide receiver screen.  If he was on the field, and it was a called pass, the TE was always lined up to his side and RBs always released to his side.

Dumervile was not double teamed during the game.  So teams are still game planning to neutralize Suggs and his presence is degrading their offense.

 

In other words if not for Suggs Dumerville wouldn't be as productive as he's been.

 

He got multiple pressures including a major one that forced a quick release and a hit.  No one was near the ball but it was a floater and could have been an interception.  The bush td was inexcusable.  Suggs tried to crash in on a pass set, giving up the edge to Bush.  In fact on several plays he tried to crash inside, since we were playing a lot of Nickel sets we had a lot of 6 man fronts.  Both edge players (Usually upshaw) are trying to cheat in to help out the weaker fronts.

 

What teams were doing were lining up a TE or RB on Suggs side and chipping, so he had to take an inside rush.  They then sat on the power and still lost.  There were 4 snaps where Suggs would have gotten there in another half a second.

 

But teams in general are trying not to contest our pass rush.  They want to try to go after our secondary, since we don't have great ball hawks.  We haven't gotten a lot of sacks in general.  No team is holding the ball longer than 3 seconds against us the last 6 games.  That's why we only had 1 sack and 3 picks.

 

My bigger concern with Suggs is he simply can't play the type of Snap count at his age that is required for his level of pay.  I think he only played half the snaps.

That is interesting. I still think he has had a very strong season, one game doesnt change that for me. He was dominant early in the season, so it makes sense that offenses are really trying to take him out of the game, and as you pointed out Dumervil is making them pay for that. I think without Suggs our D would fall off quite a bit.

[The Raven]

I'm hoping he's been saving himself for the Patriots game this Sunday. 

[Tank 92]

I'm hoping he's been saving himself for the Patriots game this Sunday. 

 

 

I just had this vision of Sizzle standing over tommy and yelling "what's my name punk?"

[The Raven]

I just had this vision of Sizzle standing over tommy and yelling "what's my name punk?"

 

That would be nice.

 

This is the kind of game where I want Suggs, Doom, Ngata or even Upshaw to blow up Brady early in the game and take the late hit penalty. Just take the penalty early and rattle him early.

[T3hRaven]

I just told Grim that I think Suggs has turned from a must keep/extend guy to one that will be in strong consideration to be cut if we need the money and he doesn't improve.  $7.8M is a lot of money that can be saved.  For the longest time, I thought there was no way he's going anywhere, but I can't discount the possibility at this point.

 

I wouldn't cut him next year, we should have the room to keep who we need to keep.  But I don't think I'd extend him.  That money would be better served keeping Jimmy and Torrey.

[rmw10]

I wouldn't cut him next year, we should have the room to keep who we need to keep.  But I don't think I'd extend him.  That money would be better served keeping Jimmy and Torrey.

 

I personally wouldn't cut him either, but it's possible.  I'm just preparing myself in case it does happen lol.  We know how unpredictable some offseason moves can be!

[The Raven]

I wouldn't even think of cutting Suggs unless Upshaw, Simon, and McPhee grow leaps and bounds. Suggs hasn't been putting up sacks, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's getting pressure. He was harassing Stafford all day and he was key in a few incompletions and picks.

[gabefergy]

I wouldn't even think of cutting Suggs unless Upshaw, Simon, and McPhee grow leaps and bounds. Suggs hasn't been putting up sacks, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's getting pressure. He was harassing Stafford all day and he was key in a few incompletions and picks.

I think McPhee has shown the most potential out of that group, but I don't think any of them come close to what Suggs brings. I'm worried about Upshaw. He was great in run defense as a rookie, but even that has fallen off. He displays nothing as a pass-rusher. Simon is still an unknown, although he has flashed some nice ability in the preseason.

[JoeyFlex5]

To me it looked like he got bigger weight wise. In the beginning of the year he looked lean and quick, but now he looked like he added about 10-15 pounds and has slowed down. I don't know if that's a fact, but I usually catch on to things like that.

been thinking the same thing. he looked slimmer than i had ever seen him and now hes looking like he looked fresh off his achilles injury, play-wise and physique wise

[T3hRaven]

I think McPhee has shown the most potential out of that group, but I don't think any of them come close to what Suggs brings. I'm worried about Upshaw. He was great in run defense as a rookie, but even that has fallen off. He displays nothing as a pass-rusher. Simon is still an unknown, although he has flashed some nice ability in the preseason.

 

I'd hate to write him off since that's come around to bite me before, but I think we've seen why Upshaw fell in the draft.  There's a reason Dumervil plays so many snaps and isn't the 'third down specialist' some people thought he would be when he was signed.  I don't think he's particularly gifted athletically, and I don't think he shows a lot of awareness on the field.  He certainly fits in with most of Bama's other draftees.

[The Raven]

I think McPhee has shown the most potential out of that group, but I don't think any of them come close to what Suggs brings. I'm worried about Upshaw. He was great in run defense as a rookie, but even that has fallen off. He displays nothing as a pass-rusher. Simon is still an unknown, although he has flashed some nice ability in the preseason.

 

I like Simon and I hope he finds a spot next year. I was extremely impressed with his play, and I think he played with really good technique. He also has an intensity to his play that is lacking on defense right now. 

 

Upshaw is up and down. I see him make great plays and then he just falls off the map. Most of his problems are from inconsistent technique and lack of awareness.

[The Raven]

Here's a nice column from Mike Preston: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-preston-ravens-column-1220-20131219,0,3469833.column

 

He suggests that the foot injury he suffered before the Cincy game on November 10th is the cause, and that makes complete sense. His play declined just around that time, and he got a foot injury. Coincidence? I don't think so. A foot injury would certainly account for his lack of explosion, and it also might account for his apparent weight gain. A foot injury would limit his ability to run and condition, and Suggs is an easy gainer.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name="Tank 92" post="1711050" timestamp="1387485379"] I just had this vision of Sizzle standing over tommy and yelling "what's my name punk?"[/quote] Well if he turns as badass as Heisenberg , we are gonna annihilate the Pats .

[torreysmith_is_amazing]

Suggs where have you been???

 

 

lol classic tony romo gif

[cursona pirate]

I wouldn't even think of cutting Suggs unless Upshaw, Simon, and McPhee grow leaps and bounds. Suggs hasn't been putting up sacks, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's getting pressure. He was harassing Stafford all day and he was key in a few incompletions and picks.

[The Raven]

 

I wouldn't even think of cutting Suggs unless Upshaw, Simon, and McPhee grow leaps and bounds. Suggs hasn't been putting up sacks, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's getting pressure. He was harassing Stafford all day and he was key in a few incompletions and picks.

 

 

Yeah exactly

[Kaiowas]

Tucker prime

[Kaiowas]

2009 stats

59 tackles (44/15 ), 4,5 sacks, 1 f

 

2010 stats

68 tackles (53/15), 11 sacks , 2 f

 

2011 stats

70 tackles (50/20), 14 scks, 7  

 

 

 

 

 

 

2013 stats

79 tackles (47/32), 10 sacks and counting.....