Joe Flacco's Knee

[flynismo]

Fly, you're hating on the "tweener" term brah? LOL!!

I actually like the "tweener" term that 1/28/01 uses. To me, it simply means that one is on the fence where Flacco is concerned...even after 6 seasons as a starting QB. Tweeners are not completely sold on him either way! Nothing wrong with that cause that's their prerogative! They are not over the top "for" him and not over the top "against" him. They see the good, the bad and the ugly in Flacco's performances. In my view, a "tweener" can support Flacco one minute and give him praise for a job well done when warranted and then smoke him for his piss poor gameplay (i.e. over and underthrowing receivers, not making the proper reads, holding the ball too long etc.) at the same time! That's what I do! So, I guess I'm in that group as well. LOL!!


And neither am I! Some are. Cool! But not me!

#Mili

No mili, I clarified in my post above what meant....was meant for a certain crowd who gives you guys a bad name.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Glad he doesn't need Knee surgery. One less excuse he will have if he under performs next year but he will still have his offensive line, new coordinator (probably), and all of the "Drops" he endures.

Sure he has a lot of drops. 27 on the year. OUt of 614 attempts. A drop percentage of 4.4%. 18 other teams in the league have  a worse percentage.

 

7 of which are in the playoffs.

 

And the top 2 teams in drop percentage with 7% and 6.6% are the Lions and Patriots.

 

Drops suck. Even Calvin Johnson drops the ball. But I don't want to act like that is an excuse for Flacco's lackluster year. It hurt him, yes, but his decision making and accuracy was terrible.

 

Although I won't blame coaching or the drops, I will say Flacco is more of a game manager QB. Which is GREAT for our team. But when Rice/Pierce can't be effective with their runs, that takes away from what Flacco is good at: Play action.

 

So, Let's fix that line, get these backs in shape, and run that football so we can be more effective in the air as well as the ground.

 

How many of our drops are on 3rd down? Compared to all those other teams, what is our percentage?

And did those other teams have a RT who led the NFL in false starts and other penalties?

 

What I would like to know, to confirm my suspicions, is where did we rank in the NFL this season in 3rd and longs, 3rd down drops, and offensive penalties.

Because I know Flacco also had his issues; I could see those.

But what about everything else that wasn't his fault?

[Ed_Reed20]

How many of our drops are on 3rd down? Compared to all those other teams, what is our percentage?

And did those other teams have a RT who led the NFL in false starts and other penalties?

 

What I would like to know, to confirm my suspicions, is where did we rank in the NFL this season in 3rd and longs, 3rd down drops, and offensive penalties.

Because I know Flacco also had his issues; I could see those.

But what about everything else that wasn't his fault?

 

According to this chart, Joe had the lowest first down conversion percentage on third and long and was in that situation more than the 19 other qualifying QBs. 

 

As for offensive penalties, they tied for 6th with 112. The D was dead last with 126. . 

[Alexir]

How many of our drops are on 3rd down? Compared to all those other teams, what is our percentage?

And did those other teams have a RT who led the NFL in false starts and other penalties?

 

What I would like to know, to confirm my suspicions, is where did we rank in the NFL this season in 3rd and longs, 3rd down drops, and offensive penalties.

Because I know Flacco also had his issues; I could see those.

But what about everything else that wasn't his fault?

 

No idea about drops on third down.

 

Michael Oher had 3 False starts according to my source. Marshal Yanda had 5. If you are talking about False starts and holding, you  might be spot on.

[ravensdfan]

Glad he doesn't need Knee surgery. One less excuse he will have if he under performs next year but he will still have his offensive line, new coordinator (probably), and all of the "Drops" he endures.

Sure he has a lot of drops. 27 on the year. OUt of 614 attempts. A drop percentage of 4.4%. 18 other teams in the league have  a worse percentage.

 

7 of which are in the playoffs.

 

And the top 2 teams in drop percentage with 7% and 6.6% are the Lions and Patriots.

 

Drops suck. Even Calvin Johnson drops the ball. But I don't want to act like that is an excuse for Flacco's lackluster year. It hurt him, yes, but his decision making and accuracy was terrible.

 

Although I won't blame coaching or the drops, I will say Flacco is more of a game manager QB. Which is GREAT for our team. But when Rice/Pierce can't be effective with their runs, that takes away from what Flacco is good at: Play action.

 

So, Let's fix that line, get these backs in shape, and run that football so we can be more effective in the air as well as the ground.

 

I promise if we get a real true life offensive coordinator in here to never use it as an excuse next season.

 

Let's be truthful though, we were in the top 5 for drops by receivers, Torrey was 2nd in the league for drops so we aren't just talking about the norm.

 

Our running game was the worst in YPC in the last 50 years. The last 50 years man! Hardly just a bit "off".

 

Only one QB was sacked more than Flacco this season.

 

We lost all 3 of his favorite targets last season. One was traded and 2 to injury.

 

You have to add it all up and realize there is not one other QB who ever faced ALL those obstacles in a single season.

 

Set up to fail period this year, not that he didn't add to the problem at times, because he certainly did.

[Alexir]

I promise if we get a real true life offensive coordinator in here to never use it as an excuse next season.

 

Let's be truthful though, we were in the top 5 for drops by receivers, Torrey was 2nd in the league for drops so we aren't just talking about the norm.

 

Our running game was the worst in YPC in the last 50 years. The last 50 years man! Hardly just a bit "off".

 

Only one QB was sacked more than Flacco this season.

 

We lost all 3 of his favorite targets last season. One was traded and 2 to injury.

 

You have to add it all up and realize there is not one other QB who ever faced ALL those obstacles in a single season.

 

Set up to fail period this year, not that he didn't add to the problem at times, because he certainly did.

 

Yes, let's be truthful. What I just highlighted is not accurate and I do not know where you are getting your source from.

 

Again, We are 13th in the league in dropped balls with 27 and 19th in drops percentage with 4.4. League average was 4.55 drops. We were actually doing better than most in the league with drops per attempt ratio.

 

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2013/

 

Tannehill got sacked like no other, didn't have  a great offensive line, an average running game (not as bad as ours), and one speedy WR named Wallace. Tannehill still showed up to play though. I do not criticize Flacco too much in the last 2 games as he was playing injured. But he had a bad year. He has an off season to recover and possibly watch tape and learn how to read a defense.

[ravensdfan]

Yes, let's be truthful. What I just highlighted is not accurate and I do not know where you are getting your source from.

 

Again, We are 13th in the league in dropped balls with 27 and 19th in drops percentage with 4.4. League average was 4.55 drops. We were actually doing better than most in the league with drops per attempt ratio.

 

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2013/

 

Tannehill got sacked like no other, didn't have  a great offensive line, an average running game (not as bad as ours), and one speedy WR named Wallace. Tannehill still showed up to play though. I do not criticize Flacco too much in the last 2 games as he was playing injured. But he had a bad year. He has an off season to recover and possibly watch tape and learn how to read a defense.

 

Don't know where you're getting your stats from - they don't add up.

Torrey - 5.1

Dickson - 9.3

Clark - 7.7

Brown - 3.6

Rice - 4.1

Doss - 5.6

Pitta - 6.1

Pierce - 4.0

Jones - 1.5

 

That's how it's divided up.

 

Besides, I notice how you failed to acknowledge how no one else has dealt with all those issues in one season and instead decided to only focus on dropped passes. If you break it down by team only, you'll notice that the top targets on other teams (successful anyway) fall below the 4%.

[flynismo]

Yes, let's be truthful. What I just highlighted is not accurate and I do not know where you are getting your source from.

Again, We are 13th in the league in dropped balls with 27 and 19th in drops percentage with 4.4. League average was 4.55 drops. We were actually doing better than most in the league with drops per attempt ratio.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2013/

Tannehill got sacked like no other, didn't have a great offensive line, an average running game (not as bad as ours), and one speedy WR named Wallace. Tannehill still showed up to play though. I do not criticize Flacco too much in the last 2 games as he was playing injured. But he had a bad year. He has an off season to recover and possibly watch tape and learn how to read a defense.

The dropped passes --
I was browsing a site a couple weeks ago, and in total drops, were middle of the pack (no surprise, since our pass attempts total is average), but on a per pass attempt to catchable pass ratio, we were second worst. In the two games since then, it's tough to say how much has changed; but regardless, it's not particularly impressive.

So that tells us two things:

If we are passing the ball an average amount of times per game, then:

1. Flacco wasn't throwing as many catchable balls as he should have
2. We are dropping the catchable passes way too often considering we don't throw the ball a ton.

Now all of that are just raw numbers without context.

For example, it does not take into consideration that we don't throw nearly as many short quick passes as other teams, so then, it is no surprise that Flacco didn't throw as many catchable balls as a lot of other guys, or that Flacco had to throw the ball while laying on his back way too often, so maybe some of those drops would not have been if the pass were placed better.

[Alexir]

Don't know where you're getting your stats from - they don't add up.

Torrey - 5.1

Dickson - 9.3

Clark - 7.7

Brown - 3.6

Rice - 4.1

Doss - 5.6

Pitta - 6.1

Pierce - 4.0

Jones - 1.5

 

That's how it's divided up.

 

Besides, I notice how you failed to acknowledge how no one else has dealt with all those issues in one season and instead decided to only focus on dropped passes. If you break it down by team only, you'll notice that the top targets on other teams (successful anyway) fall below the 4%.

 

You've lost me. Not only did I provide you a link to where I got this from but I also broke it down in 2 different posts...

 

Literally, what is your source? LInk, please?

 

Also, you say I failed to ackowledge how no one else has dealt with all those issues in one season. What issues? Tannehill didn't have an ideal situation. Brady had injuries. What is your point? I was stating that "Drops" is what a majority of Flacco defendents claim hurt his stats when there are 18 QBs who had a worse drop to attempt ratio. Of course it doesn't include stalls on a drive, dropped TDs, but it shows you it happens.

[Alexir]

The dropped passes --
I was browsing a site a couple weeks ago, and in total drops, were middle of the pack (no surprise, since our pass attempts total is average), but on a per pass attempt to catchable pass ratio, we were second worst. In the two games since then, it's tough to say how much has changed; but regardless, it's not particularly impressive.

So that tells us two things:

If we are passing the ball an average amount of times per game, then:

1. Flacco wasn't throwing as many catchable balls as he should have
2. We are dropping the catchable passes way too often considering we don't throw the ball a ton.

Now all of that are just raw numbers without context.

For example, it does not take into consideration that we don't throw nearly as many short quick passes as other teams, so then, it is no surprise that Flacco didn't throw as many catchable balls as a lot of other guys, or that Flacco had to throw the ball while laying on his back way too often, so maybe some of those drops would not have been if the pass were placed better.

 

That is very interesting, Let me know if you find that site again. Would like to check it out.

 

I wonder if they count balls thrown out of bounds when trying not to get sacked as an uncatchable ball?

[flynismo]

That is very interesting, Let me know if you find that site again. Would like to check it out.

I wonder if they count balls thrown out of bounds when trying not to get sacked as an uncatchable ball?

I'm looking through my browsing history right now, I know a few of you guys will find the articles I saw interesting.

If I recall correctly, they did not specifically mention passes thrown away, but I believe that those passes were discarded from the equation.
If that is the case, then it makes both Flacco and the recievers performance even more dreadful.

[Militant X 1]

No mili, I clarified in my post above what meant....was meant for a certain crowd who gives you guys a bad name.

Gotcha Fly!  But those cats give themselves a bad name.  Sure, there may be an agreement to a degree on certain statements made about Flacco's gameplay at times but other than that their overall views on Flacco are theirs and mine are mine.  You know the deal.  lol!

 

#Mili

[ravensdfan]

You've lost me. Not only did I provide you a link to where I got this from but I also broke it down in 2 different posts...

 

Literally, what is your source? LInk, please?

 

Also, you say I failed to ackowledge how no one else has dealt with all those issues in one season. What issues? Tannehill didn't have an ideal situation. Brady had injuries. What is your point? I was stating that "Drops" is what a majority of Flacco defendents claim hurt his stats when there are 18 QBs who had a worse drop to attempt ratio. Of course it doesn't include stalls on a drive, dropped TDs, but it shows you it happens.

 

I apologize, but those numbers come from your own link. If you break it down by receiver those are the numbers. If you sort by team, you'll see what I'm saying about teams that are successful.

 

What I found most interesting was that if you look at the teams that have seen success this season, you will see that their top 2 targets have below a 4% drop rate, while we only have Marlon (just barely) and Jacoby (injured, didn't see too many targets) in that area.

 

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Our running game was the worst in YPC in the last 50 years. The last 50 years man! Hardly just a bit "off".

 

 

Actually, by the end of the season our running game had improved enough to only be the worst in about a decade.

But for about 3/4 of the season it was the worst since 50+ years.

[flynismo]

Actually, by the end of the season our running game had improved enough to only be the worst in about a decade.
But for about 3/4 of the season it was the worst since 50+ years.

I think it was the worst since the 94 Pats, but could be wrong

[PerpetuallyBored74]

I think it was the worst since the 94 Pats, but could be wrong

 

Make that the worst in about TWO decades then.

[Guest RBates]

This is the only Flacco thread open?  SMH  

[cursona pirate]

This is the only Flacco thread open? SMH

I wonder why?
*Gazes at sun*