Joe Flacco's Knee

[The Raven]

Burners suck. They don't convert third and four and they don't score TDs in the red zone. 

[1/28/01]

Your grammar needs to be corrected. You use the word burners (plural) in your post. I'm aware of one speed burner who can catch the ball consistently. His name is Torrey Smith. Take him out of the game as so many of our opponent's D coordinators did and who do you go to next. Surely, you're not suggesting that our "burners" are comparable to AJ Green, Brandon Marshall, Jeffries, Calvin Johnson, Michael Crabtree, Dez Bryant or the like? If you are, wake up and smell the roses. Joe's best weapon this year is goin to the Pro Bowl and he's a kicker. That's never good!

Way to take a simple comment about Torrey and Jacoby being routinely underthrown and blowing it out of proportion.

Again, as stated, I would love to have a ball hit one of our BURNERS in stride on a deep shot.

And stop with the comparisons, as they dont make sense and have nothing to do at all with what I stated.

[1/28/01]

Burners suck. They don't convert third and four and they don't score TDs in the red zone.

Well yeah, if you cant actually throw a proper deep ball they certainly do suck.

[1/28/01]

And that burner ranked second in the league in dropped passes. Sorry for the "excuse" guys, I realize that somehow Flacco is to blame for that, and will admonish him promptly when I figure out how to spin it as such.

Ugh, your over-the-top love for Flacco is becoming a bit too much. Regardless of drops, just hit a guy in stride every once in a while. Would love to see it.

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Well yeah, if you cant actually throw a proper deep ball they certainly do suck.

LMAO...

[Militant X 1]

Burners suck. They don't convert third and four and they don't score TDs in the red zone. 

 

Wow!  So our burners (i.e. Torrey and Jacoby) get 5-6 steps on their defender...are wide the hell open...and our franchise QB constantly under and overthrows them and rarely...if ever...hits them in stride...but they suck?  Ok!  Smh!

 

Ugh, your over-the-top love for Flacco is becoming a bit too much. Regardless of drops, just hit a guy in stride every once in a while. Would love to see it.

 

In my Darth Vader voice...Luke!  Relinquish being a "tweener".  Come on over to the dark side..... :jedi:

LOL!!!

 

#Mili

[arnie_uk]

Ugh, your over-the-top love for Flacco is becoming a bit too much. Regardless of drops, just hit a guy in stride every once in a while. Would love to see it.

I see you've sobered up lol

[1/28/01]

Wow! So our burners (i.e. Torrey and Jacoby) get 5-6 steps on their defender...are wide the hell open...and our franchise QB constantly under and overthrows them and rarely...if ever...hits them in stride...but they suck? Ok! Smh!


In my Darth Vador voice...Luke! Relinquish being a "tweener". Come on over to the dark side..... :jedi:
LOL!!!

#Mili

Ha, I see so much in Joe. Then he has that run last year. But, its all the other stuff that kills me. Making matters worse is the relentless bubble around him where some dont even allow justified and valid citicism like what SOME of us toss his way (and not underthrown...tossed right at him). He's not above criticism. No one is.

[redrum52]

Ugh, your over-the-top love for Flacco is becoming a bit too much. Regardless of drops, just hit a guy in stride every once in a while. Would love to see it.

No, it's the wrs not adjusting to poorly thrown passes.  Our guys need to break off their route, come back and then jump into coverage to make plays that Flacco err...Ravens fans expect.  People mention drops, never speaking on how many times our guys need to slow down or come to complete stops to make catches or the times they bail out Flacco by becoming defenders to break up his lame ducks at times.  The pick 6 yesterday was another throw behind the receiver that resulted in a pick 6.  People complain about YAC, but you realize that's difficult when adjusting to a pass thrown too high or behind you right?  If Flacco can use the o-line excuse, why can't the o-line use the Flacco not making the right protection call, or him playing pitty pat with the ball excuse?  Or the wrs using he didn't hit me in stride or missed me when I was open on my route excuse?

 

You know what, lemme stay on topic.  I hope his knee his fine and he did show a lot of toughness, especially that last game.  The way he was getting hit yesterday reminded me of Any Given Sunday when the line gave up on "Steamin" Willie Beamen. 

 

 

Ha, I see so much in Joe. Then he has that run last year. But, its all the other stuff that kills me. Making matters worse is the relentless bubble around him where some dont even allow justified and valid citicism like what SOME of us toss his way (and not underthrown...tossed right at him). He's not above criticism. No one is.

Razor sharp today sir, LOL.  I think that's a lot of peoples problem.  They see the potential and wonder why it can't be done on a weekly basis.  I understand having a bad game or 2, but his level of play is so damn erratic.  

[1/28/01]

I see you've sobered up lol

Yeah, was hammered for the Minny game...ugh, ha!

[Latch]

Just curious, does it count as a drop if the receiver is 10 yards away from the defender, reaches out, the ball grazes his fingertips and hits the ground? That's happened a lot this year. 

[1/28/01]

But yes, on topic here. He is a warrior for taking the hits he takes. No doubt about that. Hope he recovers, gets healthy and finds that 2012 post season mojo again!

[arnie_uk]

Ha, I see so much in Joe. Then he has that run last year. But, its all the other stuff that kills me. Making matters worse is the relentless bubble around him where some dont even allow justified and valid citicism like what SOME of us toss his way (and not underthrown...tossed right at him). He's not above criticism. No one is.

a lot of the criticism is over the top though. You've even admitted that, so everyone gets over defensive. It works both ways. Hes past the point of having a logical discussion about

[arnie_uk]

Just curious, does it count as a drop if the receiver is 10 yards away from the defender, reaches out, the ball grazes his fingertips and hits the ground? That's happened a lot this year.

most people consider it a drop if it hits ur hands at all. Some drop sites would say yes others no. Its subjective. Both. For example that pass to pitta yest. That wasn't a great throw pitta dived but he dropped it also.

[1/28/01]

a lot of the criticism is over the top though. You've even admitted that, so everyone gets over defensive. It works both ways. Hes past the point of having a logical discussion about

Of course. There are the "haters", the "protectors" and then the "tweeners" that get swayed towards hating easily. Thats me. I love the guy, but the "protectors" are what push me over the line.

[Militant X 1]

Ha, I see so much in Joe. Then he has that run last year. But, its all the other stuff that kills me. Making matters worse is the relentless bubble around him where some dont even allow justified and valid citicism like what SOME of us toss his way (and not underthrown...tossed right at him). He's not above criticism. No one is.

I have state numerous times in here that I actually like Joe Flacco.  I really do!  I want him to be great cause he is our dude.  And yet, I refuse to show blind loyalty to a cat that constantly struggles as he does after 6 seasons of being a starting QB in this league.  When he is hot...WOW!!  And when he is bad....he is very bad!  That mixture of up and down in his gameplay alone....is cause for the criticism that a FEW of us actually throw his way!  And rightfully so!  You are the face of the Ravens now!  It comes with the territory! 

 

#Mili

[Latch]

 

Our guys need to break off their route, come back and then jump into coverage to make plays that Flacco err...Ravens fans expect.  

 

How does make sense in relation to balls being overthrown, though?

 

Even for underthrows, it's extremely difficult for a receiver to run backwards and beat their defender for a second time. I may be speaking out of place here, but those are plays that require a good amount of TE-like strength (If you consider the fact that the defender is closer to the ball and more prepared for it by the time it's thrown) that few burners actually have. Receivers could also stop running completely to catch the ball, which, again, makes it very easy for the defender to make a play on the ball and is almost always a TD-killer. 

[1/28/01]

How does make sense in relation to balls being overthrown, though?

Even for underthrows, it's extremely difficult for a receiver to run backwards and beat their defender for a second time. I may be speaking out of place here, but those are plays that require a good amount of TE-like strength (If you consider the fact that the defender is closer to the ball and more prepared for it by the time it's thrown) that few burners actually have. Receivers could also stop running completely to catch the ball, which, again, makes it very easy for the defender to make a play on the ball and is almost always a TD-killer.

I think you missed his very thick sarcasm on that post ;)

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How does make sense in relation to balls being overthrown, though?

 

Even for underthrows, it's extremely difficult for a receiver to run backwards and beat their defender for a second time. I may be speaking out of place here, but those are plays that require a good amount of TE-like strength (If you consider the fact that the defender is closer to the ball and more prepared for it by the time it's thrown) that few burners actually have. Receivers could also stop running completely to catch the ball, which, again, makes it very easy for the defender to make a play on the ball and is almost always a TD-killer. 

It doesn't relate to overthrows, I was speaking on underthrows.  Good points though and I personally never mind someone questioning me if they do it logically and with an open mind.

 

 

 

I think you missed his very thick sarcasm on that post  ;)

 

Haha... That too.  I also agree with you on the "protectors" pushing "tweeners" to the "haters" side.  I honestly like the guy and have even said to friends I think he has to potential to retire with a jacket.  I don't really pick sides, though it might look like it.

[Militant X 1]

Of course. There are the "haters", the "protectors" and then the "tweeners" that get swayed towards hating easily. Thats me. I love the guy, but the "protectors" are what push me over the line.

Great way to say this!  I believe that is how I define myself as well where Flacco is concerned. a "tweener"  lol!  I give him props when it is deserved and then I'll smoke him for piss poor gameplay.  Like his achieving the franchise record of 22 INT's for one.  Smh!   I want to like this cat!  Hell, I want to love the dude as the Ravens starting quarterback but I can't because of all of the over the top, let's circle the wagons in Flacco's defense mentality from the "protectors" the moment that one little negative thing has been said about him.  Can't do it!

 

#Mili

[redrum52]

And that burner ranked second in the league in dropped passes. Sorry for the "excuse" guys, I realize that somehow Flacco is to blame for that, and will admonish him promptly when I figure out how to spin it as such.

Where did you get the numbers for dropped passes?

[Ed_Reed20]

Of course. There are the "haters", the "protectors" and then the "tweeners" that get swayed towards hating easily. Thats me. I love the guy, but the "protectors" are what push me over the line.

 

Why do we need to label posters? And why should how one set of fans view a player affect how you view him? Just seems childish to me. If folks were just more objective, the long, drawn out, arguments wouldn't be as prevalent. 

 

Flacco clearly played poorly this season. The struggles of the o-line, running game and lack of weapons made him look even worse. Seems rather straight forward. 

[arnie_uk]

Of course. There are the "haters", the "protectors" and then the "tweeners" that get swayed towards hating easily. Thats me. I love the guy, but the "protectors" are what push me over the line.

im the opposite way, I'm pushed to over defend because some stuff is ridiculous over the top. I think the biggest reason we went on the hit streak was the oline play. I think the reason we sucked this year was the oline play. Haters blame flacco for everything this year, yet then can't concede, by the same logic, he's the reason we won a Super Bowl. That's just one example of crap that opus he's me over the ledge

[arnie_uk]

Great way to say this!  I believe that is how I define myself as well where Flacco is concerned. a "tweener"  lol!  I give him props when it is deserved and then I'll smoke him for piss poor gameplay.  Like his achieving the franchise record of 22 INT's for one.  Smh!   I want to like this cat!  Hell, I want to love the dude as the Ravens starting quarterback but I can't because of all of the over the top, let's circle the wagons in Flacco's defense mentality from the "protectors" the moment that one little negative thing has been said about him.  Can't do it!
 
#Mili

how about people coming out of the wood work to criticise him when he does well, for missing one throw? Happens regularly the other way as well

[arnie_uk]

Why do we need to label posters? And why should how one set of fans view a player affect how you view him? Just seems childish to me. If folks were just more objective, the long, drawn out, arguments wouldn't be as prevalent. 
 
Flacco clearly played poorly this season. The struggles of the o-line, running game and lack of weapons didn't made him look even worse. Seems rather straight forward.

this this and more this, everyone sucked, for me the oline is the main culprit because both our run game and pass game sucked. The oline is the one common factor

[MrPlankton]

The offensive system is severely flawed and heavily reliant on the running game and o-line. The issues this year season in the trenches. Again, look to the first preseason game: an LB up the middle untouched for an easy sack on the first drive. If you can't see this then I don't know what to say.

 

It makes me laugh that some people think the solution is to just take out Flacco and put in some scrub backup or draft somebody else.

[1/28/01]

Why do we need to label posters? And why should how one set of fans view a player affect how you view him? Just seems childish to me. If folks were just more objective, the long, drawn out, arguments wouldn't be as prevalent.

Flacco clearly played poorly this season. The struggles of the o-line, running game and lack of weapons made him look even worse. Seems rather straight forward.

Quite simple. Because, in my opinion, this is how I see the Flacco fanbase split up. Doesnt mean its accurate, just what I see.

[1/28/01]

how about people coming out of the wood work to criticise him when he does well, for missing one throw? Happens regularly the other way as well

Would never deny it happens both ways. Of course it does.

[Militant X 1]

Why do we need to label posters? And why should how one set of fans view a player affect how you view him? Just seems childish to me. If folks were just more objective, the long, drawn out, arguments wouldn't be as prevalent. 

 

Flacco clearly played poorly this season. The struggles of the o-line, running game and lack of weapons made him look even worse. Seems rather straight forward. 

 

Don't take things so seriously in here EdR20.  This a forum man!  Regardless of what "label" is used in reference to criticizing or defending Flacco in here by posters (i.e. haters, apologists, fanboys etc.) you can't take that stuff too seriously!  We're ALL Ravens fans and there is no way that we're all going to see things the same way or agree on everything!  It's impossible to achieve when you have people in here that are from a variety of age groupings and personal life experiences.  Just have fun with it!

 

how about people coming out of the wood work to criticise him when he does well, for missing one throw? Happens regularly the other way as well

 

Well of course it happens both ways Arnie.  But if you are out to attempt to achieve "balance" between the so-called haters and supporters of Flacco I don't think that is possible.  People are going to feel how they feel about him either way.  That is uncontrollable and immeasurable.  Some love Flacco, some don't!  Some despise Flacco, some don't!  Some will praise Flacco for doing well!  Some won't!  Some will dog Flacco at any cost....some won't!  It is what it is!

 

#Mili

[Guest Moderator 6]

Please keep this thread about his knee (and shoulder?) only.