Vent thread: Lions

[arnie_uk]

Watching some of the videos, I'm sad Tyson didn't pitch it to Jimmy.

risky, but he does almost have a free run to the ez. He looked like he tried but just couldn't get it right in his hands

[izvoodoo]

risky, but he does almost have a free run to the ez. He looked like he tried but just couldn't get it right in his hands

Yeah, didn't want to fumble it.  Woulda' been pretty sweet.

[PuRock]

Watching some of the videos, I'm sad Tyson didn't pitch it to Jimmy.

 

Why would you want that?  Haven't we learned anything from Ed Reed?  Bad things can happen when the ball is pitched.  What if Jimmy bobbles the ball and gets hit and the Lions pick it up for a TD?  Or if Tyson misjudges the pitch?

 

Nah, you advance it as far as you can and you go down safely.  

[JEEPercreepermd]

You know how we keep joking about getting heart attacks from these close games? Well, it happened last night. Last week I found out that I have a leaky valve. Well I realized after the end of the game that my chest really hurt. Yep, had a mild heart attack.

I am going to try to watch the Pats game live but I may have to settle for watching them later after I know the final score :huh:

I hope you are OK! Actually, I read somewhere that it's a proven statistic that there are more heart attacks during the NFL season than any other.. makes sense. People sit around eating god awfully unhealthy food all weekend, then there's the stress of the game itself.
In the tight moments I always have to remember to calm myself down and remember that its only a football game.

Anyway, hope you recover well!

[Poes Crows]

ok I didn't tape the game and was on a conference call at the time of that play so i didn't get a great look at it. From the initial look it looked as if the ball sailed just pass Browns hands and it would have been a tough play to get his feet down even if he caught it.

 

That was the only throw I really had a issue with Joe during that game, but if the angles show what you say then I don't have a issue with the throw at all.

 

Thought Joe was in clear "overthrow" mode Monday Night.  I'd have to watch again, but the vast majority of his misses were high / Long.  His receivers bailed him out several times despite the high balls. Most notably Jacoby Jones on the game winning "drive".

 

I'm worried about it against the Pats, especially with Joe playing with a knee brace.  There's reasons to believe he will be more accurate at home.  Sure hope he is. We need 24 points to win.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Tom Brady is missing Gronk. Coach Pees is really doing a good job considering our player turnover. They will run, that's a given, but if our corners lock down their receivers this is going to be good. Here Kitty kitty,(Cincy).

[Ravensfan23]

Thought Joe was in clear "overthrow" mode Monday Night.  I'd have to watch again, but the vast majority of his misses were high / Long.  His receivers bailed him out several times despite the high balls. Most notably Jacoby Jones on the game winning "drive".

 

I'm worried about it against the Pats, especially with Joe playing with a knee brace.  There's reasons to believe he will be more accurate at home.  Sure hope he is. We need 24 points to win.

 

Yea being a tall strong armed QB Joe tends to miss high and long in those occasions that may be off that game. That Jacoby catch was definitely a heck of a catch on a high ball, but I will say that I though it was a pretty good location for a taller WR like Jacoby. Again I haven't be able to go back and watch the game but there looked to be coverage underneath from a LB that Joe had to get the ball over, and on 3rd down you rather give Jacoby the chance to go get it rather then a chance for a tip. But I do agree that Joe was high on some throws in that game.

 

I actually think if the brace is uncomfortable it'll make Joe even more aware of his mechanics and not allow the ball to sail at times. It'll be interesting to see how it affects him. Of course I don't think Joe would make it an excuse, but it could very well effect his play.

[beanfigger]

Thought Joe was in clear "overthrow" mode Monday Night.  I'd have to watch again, but the vast majority of his misses were high / Long.  His receivers bailed him out several times despite the high balls. Most notably Jacoby Jones on the game winning "drive".

 

I'm worried about it against the Pats, especially with Joe playing with a knee brace.  There's reasons to believe he will be more accurate at home.  Sure hope he is. We need 24 points to win.

 

Just because Jacoby made a good catch does not mean Joe threw a bad pass.  Would you say the same about the game winning catch by Marlon the week before, that he bailed Joe out?  And what were these "several times" that the receivers bailed Joe out?  I can't remember another great catch the whole game (from our team) other than that Jacoby catch at the end.

[ravensdfan]

Just because Jacoby made a good catch does not mean Joe threw a bad pass.  Would you say the same about the game winning catch by Marlon the week before, that he bailed Joe out?  And what were these "several times" that the receivers bailed Joe out?  I can't remember another great catch the whole game (from our team) other than that Jacoby catch at the end.

 

It's kind of funny actually because all the analysts are talking about the laser Joe threw to Jacoby on that drive with a bum knee.  It was a good throw and a good catch. There were some balls that sailed, most notably the other throws on that drive, but that wasn't one of them.

[1/28/01]

Just because Jacoby made a good catch does not mean Joe threw a bad pass. Would you say the same about the game winning catch by Marlon the week before, that he bailed Joe out? And what were these "several times" that the receivers bailed Joe out? I can't remember another great catch the whole game (from our team) other than that Jacoby catch at the end.

Dont bother. Even him "compliments" are backwards.

[FerrariFan87]

Red Zone = Dead Zone on Monday night... that needs to change this week!

[redrum52]

In fact, the people there making the graphics were so sure we were going to lose that they actually showed a graphic in the post-game showing the Lions at 8-6 and back in first in the division. Sorry if that was already discussed, but it certainly helps your argument.

Not for nothing but it was a Lions home game. I can't be mad if there is bias shown towards the home team.

[beanfigger]

Not for nothing but it was a Lions home game. I can't be mad if there is bias shown towards the home team.

 

I'm talking about the post-game discussion on Sportscenter.  They showed a graphic about where the teams in the NFC North stand after the game, and the Lions were still at the top with an 8-6 record.  Fortunately, the host realized the mistake while the graphic was up and stated the correct standings.  They had to go back later and show the graphic again after it was fixed.  I'm saying the people working for the graphics department on ESPN certainly felt the Lions were going to be the victors when they loaded the image.  It's a mistake, but it helps support the argument towards bias for sure.

[HoldingCall]

No Touchdowns!!!  This is a big problem that needs to be fixed.

[ravensdfan]

No Touchdowns!!!  This is a big problem that needs to be fixed.

 

This is going to be a problem until the run game shows up or our receivers learn how to get separation.

 

The strengths of Torrey & Jacoby are pretty much negated in the red zone. It is their speed that gets them separation and with little ground to cover, that doesn't get it done. Our receiving corps is coming along but they still cannot manage to get separation at all.

[Militant X 1]

This is going to be a problem until the run game shows up or our receivers learn how to get separation.

 

The strengths of Torrey & Jacoby are pretty much negated in the red zone. It is their speed that gets them separation and with little ground to cover, that doesn't get it done. Our receiving corps is coming along but they still cannot manage to get separation at all.

They ran a little better vs. the Lions and I saw that the receivers (i.e. Jones and Brown) had good separation as well.  I really want to see the offense just have a sense of urgency and aggressiveness in the play calling and execution to score TD's when in the redzone and then go out there and line up hat on hat and beat their man and make it happen!  Make it happen!

 

#Mili

[gabefergy]

They ran a little better vs. the Lions and I saw that the receivers (i.e. Jones and Brown) had good separation as well. I really want to see the offense just have a sense of urgency and aggressiveness in the play calling and execution to score TD's when in the redzone and then go out there and line up hat on hat and beat their man and make it happen! Make it happen!

#Mili

They did run the ball better, but I disagree about the receivers getting separation. They really struggled most of the game getting open vs backup CBs. That's not a good sign of things to come. NE has a pretty poor DL so hopefully the run game can continue to improve.

[Guest Omerta]

Positive note: zero turnovers by the Ravens.

Second most important stat next to wins.

[Guest Omerta]

Positive note: zero turnovers by the Ravens.

Second most important stat next to wins.

[HoldingCall]

This is going to be a problem until the run game shows up or our receivers learn how to get separation.

 

The strengths of Torrey & Jacoby are pretty much negated in the red zone. It is their speed that gets them separation and with little ground to cover, that doesn't get it done. Our receiving corps is coming along but they still cannot manage to get separation at all.

I agree that the run game is a huge problem. However, I also believe it is the system we have in place that causes some of the problem. If you care to look, Anquan Boldin already has more receiving yards and catches this season then he ever had here.  He needs 42  yard to have a 1000 yard season with two game to go. Very few years have the Raven not had issues on offense and that includes the years before Joe and Harbs.

 

http://www.49ers.com/team/roster/Anquan-Boldin/e71d5881-2750-4094-8ae0-95dccf9dbf4d

[Radinho84]

I agree that the run game is a huge problem. However, I also believe it is the system we have in place that causes some of the problem. If you care to look, Anquan Boldin already has more receiving yards and catches this season then he ever had here.  He needs 42  yard to have a 1000 yard season with two game to go. Very few years have the Raven not had issues on offense and that includes the years before Joe and Harbs.

 

http://www.49ers.com/team/roster/Anquan-Boldin/e71d5881-2750-4094-8ae0-95dccf9dbf4d

The difference between the season Q is having right now and the ones he had with us is maybe 15 yards per game. This would result in maybe 15 additional first downs on the year and only 1,5 per game. The effect of Q is very overestimated.

 

I like our receivers. The problem this year was that Pitta was injured. He is a game changer and we are a lot more dangerous with him than we are without him...

 

I think that the running game really struggles because of ray´s injury. I think they will tell something about that after the season. He just doesn´t seem to be his old self...

[HoldingCall]

The difference between the season Q is having right now and the ones he had with us is maybe 15 yards per game. This would result in maybe 15 additional first downs on the year and only 1,5 per game. The effect of Q is very overestimated.

 

I like our receivers. The problem this year was that Pitta was injured. He is a game changer and we are a lot more dangerous with him than we are without him...

 

I think that the running game really struggles because of ray´s injury. I think they will tell something about that after the season. He just doesn´t seem to be his old self...

My comment was not to highlight Q or any individual but to address our system. Notice I mentioned there were offensive problems before Joe and Harbs arrival. But since you mentioned Q the way you did I'd have to disagree on the part about yard averages per game and the importance. Some games accounted for much more than others so the real affect depends on time of team need. As with us last year Q's were huge because of big plays at the time of team need. I think he was under appreciated by some and nearly ignored by others, though not most. One thing he has proven this season is, he isn't as close to being over the hill as some thought.

 

Back to the present team, the run game suffered primarily due to the OL. Even Pierce had problems and Leech couldn't help much. My point was that traditionally, with a few exceptions,  the Ravens have a sluggish offense. That don't suggest that they cannot get better; I hope they will, fast.

[jimmypowder]

How could that cheap shot artist on the Lions get away with not being fined on the Flacco hit?

 

Guaranteed if it was the Golden Boy or 'I hope its not cold" Manning ,the fine would have happened.

[hawkprey]

I agree that the run game is a huge problem. However, I also believe it is the system we have in place that causes some of the problem. If you care to look, Anquan Boldin already has more receiving yards and catches this season then he ever had here.  He needs 42  yard to have a 1000 yard season with two game to go. Very few years have the Raven not had issues on offense and that includes the years before Joe and Harbs.

 

http://www.49ers.com/team/roster/Anquan-Boldin/e71d5881-2750-4094-8ae0-95dccf9dbf4d

That's because he's being targeted way more often than he was with us.

[jazz1988]

That's because he's being targeted way more often than he was with us.

 

Theres some truth to that but also Boldin finally playing in a offense that  suits his  strength which is a west coast offense. When the ravens had Cam Cameron as the offensive coordinator  he didn't use Boldin in a way that consistently  suit his strength. Jim Caldwell was eventually able to use Boldin correctly  because he implemented  more short passes , crossing routes and etc.

 

The offense the ravens run now is a better than it was with Cam Cameron in my opinion but our receivers aren't  great route runners/ very physical  and they struggle at times against press man coverage. Pitta returning should definitely help to take some pressure off  the wideouts but it will take some time

 

Correction : Boldin was targeted  112 times last year as a raven and currently has been targeted 112 times as a 49ers  but has more catches(including for first downs) and  is having a better season.

[HoldingCall]

That's because he's being targeted way more often than he was with us.

So I guess they are making better use of him.