Vent thread: Lions

[Militant X 1]

Dear Santa,

Can we get some Ravens offensive TD's please?

 

#Mili

[Grapple Raven]

Don't forget props to DeAngelo Tyson and Daryl Smith tonight too, Webby also had some good plays.  But that Elam interception was just poetic justice!!!

 

Worried about Flacco playing on that knee with a short week coming up though!  O-line has absolutely got to keep him clean next week against the Pats to be able to get done what we need to do!!!

[Tank 92]

Can we get some Ravens offensive TD's please?

 

#Mili

 

 

LMAO!   Don't worry Mili, they are coming. Patience my man. TDs make things much easier, and you know we don't like easy!

[Grapple Raven]

Oh, and can I say how much I detest the dirty playing Lions?   Anyone catch that that move that guy put on Marlon Brown after the catch? 

[77rus]

lol so true...

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Gym Short's is done, uh I mean, what the, Da' Coach called it. lack of  discipline killed better teams than the Lions. All day long every talking head that picked Detroit said they were undisciplined. Besides, throwing side armed? Hello Romo, he feels real good today after Stafford did even worse! Mechanics? Ah, nada, thanks Detroit. You lived up to what everyone who picked said, "don't trust 'em." On to New England! Why not?

[Militant X 1]

LMAO!   Don't worry Mili, they are coming. Patience my man. TDs make things much easier, and you know we don't like easy!

Tank, I served 6 years in the United States Army.  We were taught...NO!  We were conditioned to "Work smarter not harder!"  And for me; old habits die hard!  This is why I harp on it so much about the offenses lack of TD production.  Even though Joe will always say the right things and be encouraging, you can hear in his pressures that he also dislikes his offenses lack of productivity in the TD department.

 

Santa, I'm waiting!  lol!

 

#Mili

[Megatron]

Congrats on the win. The game went pretty much exactly how I called it in another thread, except I was way off in thinking it would be a relatively high scoring game. Man, my Lions really crapped the bed bad. I think they must want the coaches fired, I have never seen this squad play so bad, no where close to this bad, barring times there were significant injuries.

 

I would appreciate it if you refrained from calling the Lions dirty.. I know you guys are stoked after a big win but saying we are dirty is wildly hypocritcal. Your team played extremely dirty, and absolutely got away with murder all game long. I have no problem with tough extremely physical play, but your guys were trying to kill the Lions with every hit it seemed. Not to mention your guy dropping his hands down our first drive to bash Stafford in the head which was clearly on purpose. Or when one of your guys had Bushs' foot in the crux of his helbow and put his hand over Reggies toes and tried to crank and give him an ankle breaker, I can't beieve that wasn't a penalty. Trying to killed Pettigrew, all the insane hits on CJ, even one time one guy held him up while another punished him. And what was with all the head shots? Sigh. You guys played tough, thats cool, but you have to be some insane homers to say we are dirty and you guys aren't after that game.

 

I'm not saying any of that is why you guys won, the Lions loss purely rest on their shoulders, they had every oppurtunity. But don't kick a dog(Lion) while he is down and act like you guys didn't get away with a few. Levy hitting Flacco was clearly not intentional, if it happened so fast Flacco couldn't take one step to get out of the way, then it was to fast for Levy during a free fall to crank his head 90 degrees to avoid Flaccos knee.  The under thrown pass was a good non-PI call, uncatchable under thrown passes are always by rule not PI.

 

Anyways, sorry for venting you guys have been really cool, I hope you win the north. A big positive I can take out of this, is that the Lions are probably going to end up with Gruden as our HC. He has been pasturing for the job for awhile now. It's going to be great to be free of the Schwartz. I hope our teams meet in the SB some day soon.

[1/28/01]

Tank, I served 6 years in the United States Army. We were taught...NO! We were conditioned to "Work smarter not harder!" And for me; old habits die hard! This is why I harp on it so much about the offenses lack of TD production. Even though Joe will always say the right things and be encouraging, you can hear in his pressures that he also dislikes his offenses lack of productivity in the TD department.

Santa, I'm waiting! lol!

#Mili

Mili...against what you may think, I respect you . I give you a hard time cause, well, its fun. Offense is gross, but Flacco is doing all he can, that's for sure!

[PolishRifle]

Mili...against what you may think, I respect you . I give you a hard time cause, well, its fun. Offense is gross, but Flacco is doing all he can, that's for sure!

 

I'm not sure, if the struggles of our WRs are purely on them. I'm starting to get second thoughts about Caldwell.

[Tank 92]

Tank, I served 6 years in the United States Army.  We were taught...NO!  We were conditioned to "Work smarter not harder!"  And for me; old habits die hard!  This is why I harp on it so much about the offenses lack of TD production.  Even though Joe will always say the right things and be encouraging, you can hear in his pressures that he also dislikes his offenses lack of productivity in the TD department.

 

Santa, I'm waiting!  lol!

 

#Mili

 

 

Mili...against what you may think, I respect you . I give you a hard time cause, well, its fun. Offense is gross, but Flacco is doing all he can, that's for sure!

 

 

Superbowl is spot on here Mili. It sometime feels like the lieutenant is leading a bunch of under achievers, but he's trying to squeeze every bit of gut out of them he can. Give it time, he'll get a complete squad one day, and then you'll need to get your calculator out to keep score!  In the mean time enjoy the man's talents.  He really is developing into a very special QB.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Justin Tucker's new nickname:

 

Legatron.

[Aunka_Beatmon]

Listened to the game at work.  First one in a couple of seasons that I didn't actually watch live but wow it was exciting.  After realizing it's just easier to subscribe to the NFL audio pass via mobile app I got a uninterrupted steam of an unbiased play by play.  Great win for the entire team.  

 

Flacco's knee is my main concern.  I can't picture Joe wearing any sorta knee brace but I'm not a sports medicine expert. Imagine #2 taking snaps and taking over the offense at this stage of the season, we'd probably do better than most would expect, but let's hope never to actually have that conversation. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Mili's right as rain! I'd give anything for a few TDs now and then but especially when we get into the red zone, Santa. LOL. One of the things that would help is a big bruising running back like Steven Jackson or Eddie Lacy or Jamal Lewis to keep the defense honest. Another thing that would help is some creative playcalling and a Gronkowski, Gates, or Gonzalez type TE with all due respect to Dennis. Just do the arithmetic. 6 x 3 = 18; 6 x 7 = 42. I'd even settle for (3 x 3) + (3 x 7) = 30. I predicted we would win 31 - 28. I expected them to score more but I also expected us to score more than 18 points. I cannot say enough for the defense and special teams performance tonight. I thought our D would be special by the end of the season and they are looking more and more special with each passing week.    

[gabefergy]

Clock management was poor at the end of both halves.

Defense let up late TD again.

FGs instead of TDs.

Some bad penalties.

[Ravensfan23]

My vent is to the media. Can they finally put the lack of leadership thing to rest. We as a fanbase and team have gotten over losing Ray, Reed, Birk and Boldin why can't the media. This team has plenty of leadership and truth is we've always had a team full of leader.

 

Guys like Yanda, Flacco, Leach, Suggs, Ngata, Webb and other never need Ray Lewis to lead them, they just took a back seat because he was great at leading so why even try. But now that he's gone doesn't mean those guys have forgotten how to lead. Hell Harbs is a great leader in his own right. You might not like him but the man is a heck of a leader and always seems to have his team ready to play like Ravens win or lose.

 

I didn't watch the ESPN pregame stuff, but honestly I feel like ESPN just used this game to glorify their new guy in Ray Lewis. Because from some of the comments I heard people say about the show, they couldn't be serious. Flacco and Rice aren't leaders because they aren't playing well? That's stupid, leaders lead win or lose and you need them most when you are losing tough games like we did early.

 

We'll always be that ugly team that the NFL never wanted imo. So the Ravens will always have that chip and like Mr. B said at the parade, I hope we never lose that, but at least give us competent talk when talking about the Ravens. We just get the same crap. The Ravens are too old with Ray Lewis and Reed. Now they are gone and we lack leadership. I wonder what the talk will be once we win the division without the leadership of Ray. I guess then they'll talk about how Ray was such a great leader that he left principles for the players to follow and he's still leading the team even in retirement.

[Gordo52]

1 hour sleep after driving and working 10 hours yesterday. Thanks a lot of Ravens. -_-

......Most definitely worth it

[T3hRaven]

What is the reason we're not finishing drives?  Is it play calling, are guys just not executing, or what?  You'd think we would have gotten at least one down there today, we had plenty of chances.

[The Raven]

What is the reason we're not finishing drives?  Is it play calling, are guys just not executing, or what?  You'd think we would have gotten at least one down there today, we had plenty of chances.

 

Can't run the ball. If you can't run, you can't score in the red zone. 

[Ravenslifer]

What is the reason we're not finishing drives?  Is it play calling, are guys just not executing, or what?  You'd think we would have gotten at least one down there today, we had plenty of chances.

 

Being the worst rushing team in the NFL doesn't help - we're dead last in yards per rushing attempt by almost a third if a yard.

[T3hRaven]

Can't run the ball. If you can't run, you can't score in the red zone. 

 

That doesn't help our offense all over the field.  But is it really that simple?

[The Raven]

That doesn't help our offense all over the field.  But is it really that simple?

 

I think so. And the fact that our receivers just can't make contested catches or get separation.

[T3hRaven]

I think so. And the fact that our receivers just can't make contested catches or get separation.

 

The lack of separation is so frustrating, this was a really bad secondary we were playing.  If Torrey really is a true number one he should have gotten open more and 4 for 69 is not a great night against that team.  I even saw us try to use some concepts to get guys open, Caldwell is not as bad as Cam was about trying that.

 

I don't think the play calling was that great tonight, our choices were off at times based on a down and distance.  There were times where I thought it was a really great call for the situation, but there were a lot of moments I was perplexed.

[The Raven]

The lack of separation is so frustrating, this was a really bad secondary we were playing.  If Torrey really is a true number one he should have gotten open more and 4 for 69 is not a great night against that team.  I even saw us try to use some concepts to get guys open, Caldwell is not as bad as Cam was about trying that.

 

I don't think the play calling was that great tonight, our choices were off at times based on a down and distance.  There were times where I thought it was a really great call for the situation, but there were a lot of moments I was perplexed.

 

That draw play on third down on the last drive gave me a headache that still hasn't gone away

[T3hRaven]

That draw play on third down on the last drive gave me a headache that still hasn't gone away

 

I'm right there with you man, and I hated how Harbs is like 'got us closer' or whatever he said.  That's all well and good, JT's kick was awesome and I'm glad we won, but Flacco was absolutely right when he said we settled.  Putting your kicking in that situation, no matter how good he might be, isn't really fair and this team should be capable of more.

[baltravens]

It's nice to have to get up early to earn money and see Legatron win the game for us. Tucker, baby, you saved our season!

[Inqui]

Congrats on the win. The game went pretty much exactly how I called it in another thread, except I was way off in thinking it would be a relatively high scoring game. Man, my Lions really crapped the bed bad. I think they must want the coaches fired, I have never seen this squad play so bad, no where close to this bad, barring times there were significant injuries.

 

I would appreciate it if you refrained from calling the Lions dirty.. I know you guys are stoked after a big win but saying we are dirty is wildly hypocritcal. Your team played extremely dirty, and absolutely got away with murder all game long. I have no problem with tough extremely physical play, but your guys were trying to kill the Lions with every hit it seemed. Not to mention your guy dropping his hands down our first drive to bash Stafford in the head which was clearly on purpose. Or when one of your guys had Bushs' foot in the crux of his helbow and put his hand over Reggies toes and tried to crank and give him an ankle breaker, I can't beieve that wasn't a penalty. Trying to killed Pettigrew, all the insane hits on CJ, even one time one guy held him up while another punished him. And what was with all the head shots? Sigh. You guys played tough, thats cool, but you have to be some insane homers to say we are dirty and you guys aren't after that game.

 

I'm not saying any of that is why you guys won, the Lions loss purely rest on their shoulders, they had every oppurtunity. But don't kick a dog(Lion) while he is down and act like you guys didn't get away with a few. Levy hitting Flacco was clearly not intentional, if it happened so fast Flacco couldn't take one step to get out of the way, then it was to fast for Levy during a free fall to crank his head 90 degrees to avoid Flaccos knee.  The under thrown pass was a good non-PI call, uncatchable under thrown passes are always by rule not PI.

 

Anyways, sorry for venting you guys have been really cool, I hope you win the north. A big positive I can take out of this, is that the Lions are probably going to end up with Gruden as our HC. He has been pasturing for the job for awhile now. It's going to be great to be free of the Schwartz. I hope our teams meet in the SB some day soon.

First up, thanks a lot for being a classy fan. We don't get enough measured, knowledgeable and classy fans from other teams around these parts (most of them seem to be from the NFC North, incidentally). So guys like you showing up do make this place more interesting.

 

On the officiating, we probably got the better end of it but a lot of calls/no-calls went both ways. I still think that first penalty on Daryl Smith for hitting Stafford late was a bit soft (looked more like he was bracing for the ground than trying to get a dig at him) and I think your lineman should have been flagged for hitting Flacco's knee. I won't call him dirty, for the same reason I was slow to call Tomlin a cheat - I generally don't like to speak to people's intent.

 

That said, you were hard-done by with that arm bar and some pretty soft calls on that final drive of the first half and I swear there were a few others that I forgot about in the emotion of winning like that. :P

 

On the illegal contact/DPI on Marlon, I think we have to respectfully disagree there. I thought it was similar to the Gronk/Kuechly incident in that the main reason you'd call it is that the defender was so focused on wrapping the receiver up that he doesn't play the ball and that prevents the receiver from coming back to it. I thought it was PI, but I won't pretend to be an objective voice there, haha.

 

No matter our differences of interpretation though, thanks for a good game (I know you didn't play, but you know what I mean!) and for being a good sport. A lot of Broncos fans disappeared after talking a big game ahead of a certain playoff match last year and we're still waiting for that Texans fan to come back on why Matt Schaub is better than Joe Flacco. Anyway, it was a cracking game that could well have gone either way. I'm still stunned by how it finished and I'm still buzzing.

 

Give it a few years, a decent coach and an improved secondary, and you guys will be forces in the NFC. An historic franchise like Detroit deserves a Lombardi at some point. Might pay to wait until that Seattle team gets dismantled though.

[Inqui]

For my vent, I have 2.5 areas.

 

1) Where in the world are our nice red zone plays? Dennis Pitta's back and he's clearly healthy, Marlon's a big body, Dickson's more than capable of catching them at the back of the end zone, Torrey and Jacoby can run themselves open, Bernard Pierce is big enough to punch something in and, heck, even Joe could spin out of the pocket and rush in (more awkward celebrations pls), or do what Brady does and leap over the line himself. The personnel is there, the plays have been there in the past, but they're not clicking now for whatever reason. If Tucker misses, then we end up ruing all those points we left on the field.

 

2) Screw you ESPN. That package some bellend put together about the calls that went our way was completely uncalled for. Watch every team every week and they get calls that go their way. But I've never seen some flog compile a montage like that. Poor form, and it's a good job we only have to endure one game on that little sister of a channel every season. Commentators having an apparent anti-Ravens bias is tolerable, because it all comes down to how the individual sees it (often through their own biases in case anyone was wondering), but that coverage today was dismal. I used to really like Jon Gruden, and while I very rarely wish bad things on people I now hope he ends up working for the Jets. Someone tell him to go sit on a cactus.

 

2.5) The defence going to sleep on that second-last drive of the game. I'm not going to ping them yet because I've only seen it live, and I was swearing at them every other play at the time. But when my emotions have cleared up I will go and re-watch parts of the game and to to gauge whether it was more us falling asleep or them putting a nice drive together. Open to venting about them, but I won't commit to it yet. And Jimmy's performance against Megatron was godlike, so I can live with one brief lapse. :D (Two if you count that opening drive)

 

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And I see WalterFootball's been calling this one a conspiracy too. Some of his analysis is interesting (especially considering he writes about all 32 teams), but more often than not I swear he just writes whatever comes into his head. My favourite rant of his is about that circadian rhythm rubbish.

[CalvinSmoke]

For my vent, I have 2.5 areas.

 

1) Where in the world are our nice red zone plays? Dennis Pitta's back and he's clearly healthy, Marlon's a big body, Dickson's more than capable of catching them at the back of the end zone, Torrey and Jacoby can run themselves open, Bernard Pierce is big enough to punch something in and, heck, even Joe could spin out of the pocket and rush in (more awkward celebrations pls), or do what Brady does and leap over the line himself. The personnel is there, the plays have been there in the past, but they're not clicking now for whatever reason. If Tucker misses, then we end up ruing all those points we left on the field.

 

2) Screw you ESPN. That package some bellend put together about the calls that went our way was completely uncalled for. Watch every team every week and they get calls that go their way. But I've never seen some flog compile a montage like that. Poor form, and it's a good job we only have to endure one game on that little sister of a channel every season. Commentators having an apparent anti-Ravens bias is tolerable, because it all comes down to how the individual sees it (often through their own biases in case anyone was wondering), but that coverage today was dismal. I used to really like Jon Gruden, and while I very rarely wish bad things on people I now hope he ends up working for the Jets. Someone tell him to go sit on a cactus.

 

2.5) The defence going to sleep on that second-last drive of the game. I'm not going to ping them yet because I've only seen it live, and I was swearing at them every other play at the time. But when my emotions have cleared up I will go and re-watch parts of the game and to to gauge whether it was more us falling asleep or them putting a nice drive together. Open to venting about them, but I won't commit to it yet. And Jimmy's performance against Megatron was godlike, so I can live with one brief lapse. :D (Two if you count that opening drive)

 

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And I see WalterFootball's been calling this one a conspiracy too. Some of his analysis is interesting (especially considering he writes about all 32 teams), but more often than not I swear he just writes whatever comes into his head. My favourite rant of his is about that circadian rhythm rubbish.

I feel you on some of that, I didn't have a problem with John Gruden, I actually really like his commentary, but ESPN made me raise my eye brow a couple of times. 

 

In the post game coverage they showed the playoff picture and it had the Lions with a record of 8-6 and the guy had to announce that that was not their record but it made me wonder. Why did that mistake happen, did they really expect Detroit to win that much that they only had that slide prepared? lol! 

 

But on the last drive the Lions skill players where just making great plays. 

[redrum52]

Only complaint is we need tds. And make Rice a 3rd down back until the playoffs. Pierce just seems more decisive with the ball. Also just a tough runner.