Re-signing TE Dennis Pitta

[BmoreBird22]

BTW Gronk makes 9M a year, not 6.9. He was given a 6 year 55 million dollar extension.

I'm looking at spotrac.com and they have him at $6.9 million. If it was an extension, and not an entirely new deal, I wonder if they're factoring in the entire rookie contract as a part of that. 

Edit: They're factoring in the last two years of his rookie contract.

 

[gabefergy]

 

I'm looking at spotrac.com and they have him at $6.9 million. If it was an extension, and not an entirely new deal, I wonder if they're factoring in the entire rookie contract as a part of that. 

Edit: They're factoring in the last two years of his rookie contract.

 

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That's probably what happened. He was given the extension while still having a couple years on his rookie deal.

[BmoreBird22]

 

That's probably what happened. He was given the extension while still having a couple years on his rookie deal.

I was gonna say that $6.9 million seemed really low when I first saw that.

[gabefergy]

 

 

Walker was fairly decent with a really crappy quarterback situation down in Tennessee. Carlson... just no comment on him. 

Zach Miller may not be the red zone threat that Pitta is, but he is a superior blocker, by far. 

I still maintain that Martellus Bennett would be the best comparison. 

Jared Cook, in my opinion, got paid so much because he was basically a tight end, often splitting out wide and playing in the slot. I realize that Pitta lines up a lot in the slot, but he also lines up as a traditional tight end a fair amount. Now, if we were to start to classify Pitta as a receiver over a tight end, obviously his pay day goes up, but that would be a case for the NFLPA to decide, likely only to happen if the Ravens seek to use the franchise tag. 

 

FWIW, in 2012, Pitta lined up in the slot on 65% of his pass routes. This year (limited sample) it was 80%.

[BmoreBird22]

 

FWIW, in 2012, Pitta lined up in the slot on 65% of his pass routes. This year (limited sample) it was 80%.

Given the evolution and how much tight ends are starting to be used in the slot, starting to wonder if he would pursue being paid like a wide receiver, not a tight end. 

All I have to say is I'm glad I'm not making these decisions for the Ravens.

[gabefergy]

 

 

Given the evolution and how much tight ends are starting to be used in the slot, starting to wonder if he would pursue being paid like a wide receiver, not a tight end. 

All I have to say is I'm glad I'm not making these decisions for the Ravens.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment. I think the Ravens will very much want to retain Pitta, but we will just have to wait and see. I am hopeful, but I'm also trying to be realistic.

[BmoreBird22]

 

I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment. I think the Ravens will very much want to retain Pitta, but we will just have to wait and see. I am hopeful, but I'm also trying to be realistic.

I think it honestly depends on how they classify his position. Does he push to be a WR like Jeremichael Finley and Jared Cook? That automatically pushes his price range up, without a doubt into the $7 million range just by the nature of the position. If he's going to be paid as a tight end, I see a deal around Martellus Bennett's. 

Here's to hoping for that hometown discount.

[BloodRaven]

What Pitta does have is arguably the best hands of any TE, if I was a GM the production wouldn't bother me because, well he's a Raven.

[jimjim5]

 

 

Given the evolution and how much tight ends are starting to be used in the slot, starting to wonder if he would pursue being paid like a wide receiver, not a tight end. 

All I have to say is I'm glad I'm not making these decisions for the Ravens.

 

 

 Don't fool yourself,  he doesn't have the intangibles to command money like that.

 

I don't think it's a hard decision.

[Tru11]

they need to resign him if only to have some continuity for flacco but i seriously hope he wont get overpaid.

 

realisticly i see him getting a contract with low salary and high signing bonus keeping his cap number low.

 

he would probaly get more with the ravens then in FA and its possible the FO will let him see what he can get on the open market and then make an offer in the same range.

[jaege]

 

 

If Pitta does somehow get Graham/Gronkowski money from another team, I will come back here and eat my words. I promise that much.

 

 

I'm not suggesting you do. Relatively sane people like us have a hard time guessing what the deranged may do. After all, did you see Kruger getting the money he got?

[BmoreBird22]

I'm not suggesting you do. Relatively sane people like us have a hard time guessing what the deranged may do. After all, did you see Kruger getting the money he got?

Oh I saw it coming, but I didn't think it was worth it at all. I remember all my non Ravens friends talking about how great he was or how much the Ravens were going to miss him. I was always just like, "Seriously?" And they were. I guess that must be how it is for other teams when they view Ravens players.

[jaege]

Oh I saw it coming, but I didn't think it was worth it at all. I remember all my non Ravens friends talking about how great he was or how much the Ravens were going to miss him. I was always just like, "Seriously?" And they were. I guess that must be how it is for other teams when they view Ravens players.

  And other teams fans and FOs may think the same of Pitta. I like him, a lot, but he is not a top 10 TE. He works well for us because of his chemistry with Joe.

[Ravenslifer]

I'm not suggesting you do. Relatively sane people like us have a hard time guessing what the deranged may do. After all, did you see Kruger getting the money he got?

 

I thought he would - The Browns + still somewhat young pass rusher + the Browns + coming off his best season and a great postseason + the Browns + Michael Lombardi + the Browns = Kruger's contract.  If anything, Ellerbe's was the most surprising - he had a hard time seeing the field in Baltimore, and he plays a position that's diminished in value.

[BmoreBird22]

And other teams fans and FOs may think the same of Pitta. I like him, a lot, but he is not a top 10 TE. He works well for us because of his chemistry with Joe.

I haven't heard the same hype around Dennis Pitta. Are other teams finally wishing up?

[playlikeawhat]

Someone help me.  I believe Pitta will be re-signed but I have no confidence that Baltimore will do right by offensive players who consistently produce.  We saw what the F.O. did to Boldin, Mason AND Heap within the past few years.  Look at what they almost did to Leach fresh off a Super Bowl victory and he's one of the best catching fullbacks in the league.  Anyone remember the tragedy that was Le'Ron McClain?  Never saw a fullback tackle himself after a catch until that guy.

 

I'm trying to find any evidence that can indicate the Ravens F.O. doesn't sabotage itself by being cheap.  I typically only see changes when the "bleeding" begins to get out of control (ex: Baltimore's 10-man offense until the signing of Monroe...is that an unfair assessment of the line?).  Kelichi wasn't at full-strength due to injury but I always thought McKinnie was the primary problem.  

 

Back to Pitta, I'm confident he'll be re-signed but I'm not convinced Baltimore will do right by him in the long run.  I'm looking at their history of contract lifespans with proven receivers.  I hope the F.O. manages to find a way to abandon their usual shenanigans and actually keep proven receivers through their contracts!!

[izvoodoo]

Someone help me.  I believe Pitta will be re-signed but I have no confidence that Baltimore will do right by offensive players who consistently produce.  We saw what the F.O. did to Boldin, Mason AND Heap within the past few years.  Look at what they almost did to Leach fresh off a Super Bowl victory and he's one of the best catching fullbacks in the league.  Anyone remember the tragedy that was Le'Ron McClain?  Never saw a fullback tackle himself after a catch until that guy.

 

I'm trying to find any evidence that can indicate the Ravens F.O. doesn't sabotage itself by being cheap.  I typically only see changes when the "bleeding" begins to get out of control (ex: Baltimore's 10-man offense until the signing of Monroe...is that an unfair assessment of the line?).  Kelichi wasn't at full-strength due to injury but I always thought McKinnie was the primary problem.  

 

Back to Pitta, I'm confident he'll be re-signed but I'm not convinced Baltimore will do right by him in the long run.  I'm looking at their history of contract lifespans with proven receivers.  I hope the F.O. manages to find a way to abandon their usual shenanigans and actually keep proven receivers through their contracts!!

Well we've never been good at developing pass catchers.  But Heap Mason and Boldin were expensive players in the last year of their contracts.  It's not a similar situation.

[Bruce_Almty]

Jimmy Graham has been dominant since his breakout season in 2011 and just put together an 86-catch, 1,215-yard, 16-touchdown outing in 2013. Raven fans want to pay Pitta a bunch to keep him and I could agree if had ever put up numbers anywhere close to Graham's. Pitta will be 29 when the season begins, beginning his downward slide.

[ratedr]

Ravens need to draft TE 1st round, WR 2nd round this spring. The Flacco-Pitta relationship is a detriment to the team. It only works if they both excel and the only way for Pitta to excel is for Joe to target/favor him & other teams know this. Also, with the Smith brothers (Jimmy/Torrey) due new contracts next year we need to draft some skill players this year cuz I can see us strapped to meet their demands.

Agreed. Flacco was locking onto Pitta at the end of the year.

[gabefergy]

Agreed. Flacco was locking onto Pitta at the end of the year.

They had a pretty good connection in 2012.

[ratedr]

They had a pretty good connection in 2012.

I don't think it'll be bad if we get another trustworthy guy. He didn't have to lock onto Pitta last year because he also had Boldin.

[gabefergy]

I don't think it'll be bad if we get another trustworthy guy. He didn't have to lock onto Pitta last year because he also had Boldin.

That's true. This year it seemed like Flacco never had that guy and then when Pitta came back, Joe just went to him because there was no one else.

[SuggsBarber]

Someone help me.  I believe Pitta will be re-signed but I have no confidence that Baltimore will do right by offensive players who consistently produce.  We saw what the F.O. did to Boldin, Mason AND Heap within the past few years.  Look at what they almost did to Leach fresh off a Super Bowl victory and he's one of the best catching fullbacks in the league.  Anyone remember the tragedy that was Le'Ron McClain?  Never saw a fullback tackle himself after a catch until that guy.

 

I'm trying to find any evidence that can indicate the Ravens F.O. doesn't sabotage itself by being cheap.  I typically only see changes when the "bleeding" begins to get out of control (ex: Baltimore's 10-man offense until the signing of Monroe...is that an unfair assessment of the line?).  Kelichi wasn't at full-strength due to injury but I always thought McKinnie was the primary problem.  

 

Back to Pitta, I'm confident he'll be re-signed but I'm not convinced Baltimore will do right by him in the long run.  I'm looking at their history of contract lifespans with proven receivers.  I hope the F.O. manages to find a way to abandon their usual shenanigans and actually keep proven receivers through their contracts!!

I'm not sure what numbers you could conjure up for the Ravens to 'do by him 'but it would be a mistake to give a big contract to Pitta.Ozzies'right player, right price' would apply to Pitta as well,IMO.

[Bump N Run]

I am willing to bet the mortgage Pitta gets the franchise tag this upcoming season. It makes the most sense since it gives the Ravens the chance to see how he bounces back after a major injury without breaking the bank.

[The Mom Gene]

I haven't heard the same hype around Dennis Pitta. Are other teams finally wishing up?

I think there are a lot of teams that would go out for him.

[Poes Crows]

The belief here is that Oz is intent upon drafting an athletic Tight End in the 1st round.  Pitta is history. Goodbye Pitta, it was nice while it lasted.  But your home boy Joe, took all the funds needed to sign you.  Best of luck in your new city!

 

Now, the only problem is building up any confidence that Oz can actually pick that difference maker in the 1st round.  Last year's first round pick makes Raven fans shudder with fear.

[Poes Crows]

Someone help me.  I believe Pitta will be re-signed but I have no confidence that Baltimore will do right by offensive players who consistently produce.  We saw what the F.O. did to Boldin, Mason AND Heap within the past few years.  Regarding Heap, He was a gamer, however since his waiver, I believe he has played about 2 games.  Unfortunately, he gave his body to Baltimore, but in that case it's hard to fault our faulty Front Office because he was used up.   Look at what they almost did to Leach fresh off a Super Bowl victory and he's one of the best catching fullbacks in the league.  They were "Gaming" Leach too. It was despicable. The fact is he wasn't used much because the running game foundered. Anyone remember the tragedy that was Le'Ron McClain?  Never saw a fullback tackle himself after a catch until that guy. Regarding Mason, he was consistent even when waived, but he was older too.  There's no comparison to the situation with Boldin.

 

I'm trying to find any evidence that can indicate the Ravens F.O. doesn't sabotage itself by being cheap.  I typically only see changes when the "bleeding" begins to get out of control (ex: Baltimore's 10-man offense until the signing of Monroe...is that an unfair assessment of the line?).  Kelichi wasn't at full-strength due to injury but I always thought McKinnie was the primary problem. Can't agree with you here. We did not improve once Monroe was Substituted for McKinnie.  Monroe had 7 sacks against in 10 games and 3 false starts.  We also gave up draft picks for him that we desperately need. Monroe really has trouble guarding the edge on a speed rush.  McKinnie started for Miami on a team that lost 3 starting linemen during the season, Pouncey, Martin and the guard, (can't remember his name.) That line was porous and McKinnie wasn't great but he was no worse than Monroe and that was the position here when the crazy transaction occurred.  The Front Office also blamed McKinnie. It wasn't Big Mac.

 

Back to Pitta, I'm confident he'll be re-signed but I'm not convinced Baltimore will do right by him in the long run.  I'm looking at their history of contract lifespans with proven receivers.  I hope the F.O. manages to find a way to abandon their usual shenanigans and actually keep proven receivers through their contracts!! The Front Office is saddled with several large longer term contracts with players that were not as productive last year. It's hard to believe that with a player coming off an injury they will open the bank vault.  When he did return he was not the panacea most here thought he would be.  Because I believe he was a gear of the machine and not the energy source the Front Office will probably sign him.  They just can't make the right decision now.  The missteps and the current pressure are unraveling them.

[playlikeawhat]

 

Someone help me.  I believe Pitta will be re-signed but I have no confidence that Baltimore will do right by offensive players who consistently produce.  We saw what the F.O. did to Boldin, Mason AND Heap within the past few years.  Regarding Heap, He was a gamer, however since his waiver, I believe he has played about 2 games.  Unfortunately, he gave his body to Baltimore, but in that case it's hard to fault our faulty Front Office because he was used up.   Look at what they almost did to Leach fresh off a Super Bowl victory and he's one of the best catching fullbacks in the league.  They were "Gaming" Leach too. It was despicable. The fact is he wasn't used much because the running game foundered. Anyone remember the tragedy that was Le'Ron McClain?  Never saw a fullback tackle himself after a catch until that guy. Regarding Mason, he was consistent even when waived, but he was older too.  There's no comparison to the situation with Boldin.

 

I'm trying to find any evidence that can indicate the Ravens F.O. doesn't sabotage itself by being cheap.  I typically only see changes when the "bleeding" begins to get out of control (ex: Baltimore's 10-man offense until the signing of Monroe...is that an unfair assessment of the line?).  Kelichi wasn't at full-strength due to injury but I always thought McKinnie was the primary problem. Can't agree with you here. We did not improve once Monroe was Substituted for McKinnie.  Monroe had 7 sacks against in 10 games and 3 false starts.  We also gave up draft picks for him that we desperately need. Monroe really has trouble guarding the edge on a speed rush.  McKinnie started for Miami on a team that lost 3 starting linemen during the season, Pouncey, Martin and the guard, (can't remember his name.) That line was porous and McKinnie wasn't great but he was no worse than Monroe and that was the position here when the crazy transaction occurred.  The Front Office also blamed McKinnie. It wasn't Big Mac.

 

Back to Pitta, I'm confident he'll be re-signed but I'm not convinced Baltimore will do right by him in the long run.  I'm looking at their history of contract lifespans with proven receivers.  I hope the F.O. manages to find a way to abandon their usual shenanigans and actually keep proven receivers through their contracts!! The Front Office is saddled with several large longer term contracts with players that were not as productive last year. It's hard to believe that with a player coming off an injury they will open the bank vault.  When he did return he was not the panacea most here thought he would be.  Because I believe he was a gear of the machine and not the energy source the Front Office will probably sign him.  They just can't make the right decision now.  The missteps and the current pressure are unraveling them.

 

Thanks for this insight.  It is greatly appreciated.

[playlikeawhat]

The belief here is that Oz is intent upon drafting an athletic Tight End in the 1st round.  Pitta is history. Goodbye Pitta, it was nice while it lasted.  But your home boy Joe, took all the funds needed to sign you.  Best of luck in your new city!

 

Now, the only problem is building up any confidence that Oz can actually pick that difference maker in the 1st round.  Last year's first round pick makes Raven fans shudder with fear.

I've been saying Pitta will leave for the past several days myself:  http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/56980-news-late-for-work-110-franchising-dennis-pitta-may-cost-5-million-more-than-expected/?view=findpost&p=1743915

 

To be fair, I don't think Elam could've done enough on the other side of the ball to make up for the tragedy that was Baltimore's 2013 offense. Elam couldn't make Ray Rice tell the truth about his condition.  Elam couldn't create separation for Torrey Smith.  Torrey wasn't always double-teamed.  He frequently lost against single coverage late in the season and confirmed it by lashing out at fans over fantasy football.  I understand his frustration but it's not the fans fault his performance declined against good defenders.  Elam couldn't help the line create running holes or provide Joe better accuracy.  It would be nice to see Ozzie target tough receivers.  Speed is great but I'd rather have a WR or TE with an innate ability to win battles and make catches.  I'll trade a blazing 4-whatever dash for that any day.

 

Back to Pitta, he's gone.  It was nice to see him play for Baltimore.

[Tank 92]

Don't leave home without him.