2014 Salary Cap Update

[rmw10]

You heard the guys. Trading Flacco is our key to success and endless money. We can get a mediocre QB just like him in 4th round in every draft. It's soooo easy. That's why the Ravens were always set at the QB position.

 

If you think this won't turn into a Flacco threat with Joe's contract being a major point of contention, then you must be new here.

 

Believe me.  I'm not new.  I know Flacco's contract takes up a large portion of the salary cap, but it's completely unrealistic to think that we'd trade him or change his cap number at all.  If people want to criticize any of that, this isn't the place.  There's a thread full of this stuff.  This thread is to look at the upcoming FAs and whether or not we'll be able to keep them basically.

[PolishRifle]

Believe me.  I'm not new.  I know Flacco's contract takes up a large portion of the salary cap, but it's completely unrealistic to think that we'd trade him or change his cap number at all.  If people want to criticize any of that, this isn't the place.  There's a thread full of this stuff.  This thread is to look at the upcoming FAs and whether or not we'll be able to keep them basically.

 

I totally agree. It still won't stop people from complaining about it and I'm not quite sure how many of the moves we discussed here are realistic in the first place. The discussion will still be there, though.

[Ravensfan23]

please keep all talk to the 2014 cap. Yes Flacco's contract is a topic of discussion on how it effect's 2014's cap at 14.8M, but it's not a discussion on whether he deserves it, doesn't put up numbers, is average or whatever. All of you guys have been around long enough to know how to police yourself and keep this thread on topic.

 

You've already been warned, so if you chose to derail this thread with Flacco talk or anything other then 2014 Cap talk, there won't be a need to wonder why you're post was hidden.

[redrum52]

The same peeps were posting the same stuff before I registered. Matter of fact what red rum speaks on is why I registered.

I'll make an effort to help the mods get this back on topic instead of debating forum members personalities.

Why shouldn't Oher be back he's a winner. Look at his record as a tackle , look at how many wins he has....stats don't matter, pay the man. </sarcasm>

I just point this out to note the ludicrous nature of negotiations last offseason by a player and his representation. I'm surprised it worked against this front office, possibly they were painted into a corner by fans. The Ravens initial offer was more than fair payment and this has everything to do with the cap going forward.

No one even chuckled at the Oher part? C'mon... C'MMOOONNN... LMAO.

Now to contribute to this thread, Daryl Smith to me is the 3rd Priority priority on the list if Art Jones demands too much money. We've seen Bynes in coverage and it's not pretty and I'm not sure abiut McClain going forward. Seems the team should have a decent amount of cap from this to next year, with Ngata coming off I think after next season and Rices cap hit lowering.

[Ravensfan23]

No one even chuckled at the Oher part? C'mon... C'MMOOONNN... LMAO.

Now to contribute to this thread, Daryl Smith to me is the 3rd Priority priority on the list if Art Jones demands too much money. We've seen Bynes in coverage and it's not pretty and I'm not sure abiut McClain going forward. Seems the team should have a decent amount of cap from this to next year, with Ngata coming off I think after next season and Rices cap hit lowering.

 

I agree, I'd like to see Smith back on at least a 2 year deal and draft his replacement. I think with Art Jones it comes down to how do other teams value him. He won't get big money I don't think, but he might get better money then what we are willing to pay. As much as I like Art and think he's a heck of a player on his own, playing with guys like Ngata and Suggs really helps him. How will other teams view that? My gut tells me he'll be back.

 

Oher is definitely gone. He missed his ship when we turned down our offer last year and I'm glad he did. I like Oher, but his play just isn't where it should be. He's a solid guy but I feel we can get the same production from Wagner and much cheaper.

[arnie_uk]

Really, your response makes no sense at all. Did you really read what I wrote? Please disarm yourself, it’s not that serious. Going forward, let’s just choose to disagree and move on.....

yes. You complain about a post criticising flacco being deleted. Where did I go wrong?

[Wisdom]

No one even chuckled at the Oher part? C'mon... C'MMOOONNN... LMAO.

Now to contribute to this thread, Daryl Smith to me is the 3rd Priority priority on the list if Art Jones demands too much money. We've seen Bynes in coverage and it's not pretty and I'm not sure abiut McClain going forward. Seems the team should have a decent amount of cap from this to next year, with Ngata coming off I think after next season and Rices cap hit lowering.

 

I think the Ravens if needed can look to Haloti Ngata's contract to free up cap space as his base salary shrinks to $8.5 million and cap number reaches a team-high $16 million in 2014.  Perhaps, Suggs contract is an option too? Really would like for Smith and Jones to stay on with us.

[arnie_uk]

I think the Ravens if needed can look to Haloti Ngata's contract to free up cap space as his base salary shrinks to $8.5 million and cap number reaches a team-high $16 million in 2014.  Perhaps, Suggs contract is an option too? Really would like for Smith and Jones to stay on with us.

only way they get savings with ngata is a post June 1st designated released but what's the point having an extra 7.5 mil in June? All the main targets would be signed

[redrum52]

only way they get savings with ngata is a post June 1st designated released but what's the point having an extra 7.5 mil in June? All the main targets would be signed

We could make that move for Fitz with the cap space. Let me dream for a little.

[arnie_uk]

We could make that move for Fitz with the cap space. Let me dream for a little.

trade would be the only way to use it. Anyone you'd sign then is players like daryl smith. Cheaper older vets

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

oher shouldn't be back. I think that ship has sailed. He's an average player. We can't function with average olinemen.

 

I only say we should bring Oher back because we don't have a better option.We're too cap strapped to bring in a top end RT,we don't have a RT as good as Oher on the roster and we have too many other important needs to spend a first on a RT(assuming there is one in the draft who is worthy of a late first rounder).Who do you think would be a better fit cap/production wise?Besides the false starts,he's not that bad of a player.We've seen the type of line we could have with him at RT last year in the playoffs.I think we could bring him back for about 4 years $16-18.That's a good cap/production ratio.

[redrum52]

I only say we should bring Oher back because we don't have a better option.We're too cap strapped to bring in a top end RT,we don't have a RT as good as Oher on the roster and we have too many other important needs to spend a first on a RT(assuming there is one in the draft who is worthy of a late first rounder).Who do you think would be a better fit cap/production wise?Besides the false starts,he's not that bad of a player.We've seen the type of line we could have with him at RT last year in the playoffs.I think we could bring him back for about 4 years $16-18.That's a good cap/production ratio.

Way too much money for Oher I think.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Way too much money for Oher I think.

 

$4-4.5M per year seems about right to me.The bengals gave Andre Smith $6M per year earlier this year so I'm basically going off that.

[cobrajet]

We need Eugene Monroe, Daryl Smith, and Dennis Pitta. I hope they are Ravens for a good while!

[BloodRaven]

The price of keeping Pitta and Monroe will cost us Art Jones and Daryl Smith, unless they give us a hometown discount... which is laughable.

[BloodRaven]

$4-4.5M per year seems about right to me.The bengals gave Andre Smith $6M per year earlier this year so I'm basically going off that.

 

Bengals have 3 tackles who can ball as well as Monroe.

[rmw10]

I only say we should bring Oher back because we don't have a better option.We're too cap strapped to bring in a top end RT,we don't have a RT as good as Oher on the roster and we have too many other important needs to spend a first on a RT(assuming there is one in the draft who is worthy of a late first rounder).Who do you think would be a better fit cap/production wise?Besides the false starts,he's not that bad of a player.We've seen the type of line we could have with him at RT last year in the playoffs.I think we could bring him back for about 4 years $16-18.That's a good cap/production ratio.

Oher is gone. You can similar production at a much cheaper rate out of Wagner. RT aren't too difficult to find either, so dropping $4M on one that is easily replaceable would be a bad move. If he was an all pro RT, you sign him. He's below average, so he'll walk while another team overpays him.

[Ravensfan23]

Oher's biggest value was the ability to switch to LT when needed and because we haven't had a reliable LT since he's been here we needed that. Now you look at Monroe who isn't a stud but definitely really good and consistent, that value of Oher switching isn't as important. Oher isn't terrible, but he's not gonna be worth the money he'll want. Him turning down a previous offer from the Ravens and calling it a low ball offer tells me he's looking to get paid. If not LT money at least top RT money and that's too much imo.

 

He's no longer here, but I thought Jack Cornell was a guy who could give us the same type production from Oher. Ricky Wagner is dirty cheap and should be able to give us much better run blocking and not much drop off in pass pro if any. This is a move that's important for the future as much as the now. With Rice, Flacco, Yanda already with big numbers, then you can assume that Monroe and Pitta will have decent number contract wise, you gotta have some guys like Wagner, Peirce and Brown step up and become valuable contributors at a small cap number because Torrey will get a good amount as well when the time comes.

[ravensfan520]

I want to keep Jones Pitta Monroe and even Oher. Draft a free safety or move Brown into a starting spot. Ihedigbo has played well enough for a bigger contract. Move Elam to strong. I would love to have Smith back but he also will be more expensive. McClain doesn't have that big of a contract and he and arthur brown can be our starters. Oher is a good tackle and lets be honest this line has been horrible all year but he has played well in the past. I would give him a 2 or 3 year deal and nothing more. Wagner is not ready and needs the time. Or we can draft a good tackle late. If we could keep jacoby that would be great but he may cost us a bunch. Time to draft a late round qb like stephen morris resign taylor and move his position. We are deep at young speedy wrs and he can add to that. Dickson can come back on a 2 year deal he and pitta are good together.

[T3hRaven]

$4-4.5M per year seems about right to me.The bengals gave Andre Smith $6M per year earlier this year so I'm basically going off that.

 

And Oher is less than half of the RT Smith is.  He's not worth any contract he would be looking to get, it's time to cut ties with that bum.

[Fang]

From the UFA List:

 

Must Keep

Eugene Monroe (you can't pay Joe 120mil and not protect him. Losing those draft picks would hurt also)

Dennis Pitta (Do I really need to make a case here?)

Jacoby Jones (The guy is just a play maker. Period. He's a touchdown waiting to happen.)
 

Really Would Like To Keep

Arthur Jones (We need good run defenders)

Daryl Smith (How nice is it that we had Daryl Smith after Ray retired. I'm not saying I don't miss Ray, but Daryl has been awesome)

 

Would Like To Keep At The Right Price

James Ihedigbo (James has played really well this year. But if we can't sign him at a decent price then move Elam over to SS)

Michael Oher (Yea, the whole line has been bad this year. But if it's the right price keep him)

Corey Graham (He's been a decent 3rd corner. I always hate to see decent corner go)

[The Raven]

From the UFA List:

 

Must Keep

Eugene Monroe (you can't pay Joe 120mil and not protect him. Losing those draft picks would hurt also)

Dennis Pitta (Do I really need to make a case here?)

Jacoby Jones (The guy is just a play maker. Period. He's a touchdown waiting to happen.)

 

Really Would Like To Keep

Arthur Jones (We need good run defenders)

Daryl Smith (How nice is it that we had Daryl Smith after Ray retired. I'm not saying I don't miss Ray, but Daryl has been awesome)

 

Would Like To Keep At The Right Price

James Ihedigbo (James has played really well this year. But if we can't sign him at a decent price then move Elam over to SS)

Michael Oher (Yea, the whole line has been bad this year. But if it's the right price keep him)

Corey Graham (He's been a decent 3rd corner. I always hate to see decent corner go)

 

I'd be okay with keeping Oher if the price is the vet minimum and he's okay with being a backup because we desperately need to improve at RT. I'd rather just dump him though. Get new blood at RT because he's just not worth any more of our time after this season

 

Otherwise, I completely agree

[gabefergy]

From the UFA List:

 

Must Keep

Eugene Monroe (you can't pay Joe 120mil and not protect him. Losing those draft picks would hurt also)

Dennis Pitta (Do I really need to make a case here?)

Jacoby Jones (The guy is just a play maker. Period. He's a touchdown waiting to happen.)

 

Really Would Like To Keep

Arthur Jones (We need good run defenders)

Daryl Smith (How nice is it that we had Daryl Smith after Ray retired. I'm not saying I don't miss Ray, but Daryl has been awesome)

 

Would Like To Keep At The Right Price

James Ihedigbo (James has played really well this year. But if we can't sign him at a decent price then move Elam over to SS)

Michael Oher (Yea, the whole line has been bad this year. But if it's the right price keep him)

Corey Graham (He's been a decent 3rd corner. I always hate to see decent corner go)

We don't need to keep Jacoby Jones. 

[redrum52]

We don't need to keep Jacoby Jones.

If he would come back for a reasonable contract, you wouldn't want him? I think he brings a dynamic to the return game and is a big play waiting to happen on offense. I'd try to retain him while still using a high pick on a wr or te. I feel he's been a pretry big part of the teams success recently

I was also someone who wasn't fully on board when he was originally signed. He's proven me wrong.

[1/28/01]

We don't need to keep Jacoby Jones.

I think we need to sure as hell try. Love the dude!

[Ravensfan23]

Jacoby is a guy that you would want to bring back but if another team throws cash at him and makes him one of the highest paid returners in NFL history then you allow him to walk. I think that's what he meant by Jacoby isnt a must sign. You don't go all out to sign Jacoby at any cost, but you'd definitely love to have him back.

 

I think much like Boldin, Mason and some others, Jacoby has found a home here and he'll consider Baltimore's offer over all others, but if someone is gonna gave him more then what we will i'm sure even Ozzie wouldn't be upset with him taking it. The guy had some rough years in Houston and he deserve the attention he's now getting. I just hope that attention don't lead to big bucks because I'd love him back.

[monkeycatt]

when we first got jacoby, i told my friend excitedly "we got jacoby jones!"  they said "who?" 

now, he's pretty much a household name, his time in baltimore has really allowed his skills and his offbeat personality to flourish. 

i think we should try to keep him (at a reasonable cost) as he fits with the whole raven "feel".

[gabefergy]

If he would come back for a reasonable contract, you wouldn't want him? I think he brings a dynamic to the return game and is a big play waiting to happen on offense. I'd try to retain him while still using a high pick on a wr or te. I feel he's been a pretry big part of the teams success recently

I was also someone who wasn't fully on board when he was originally signed. He's proven me wrong.

If he signs a reasonable contract, sure. He is replacable that's all, and if he wants to get paid 4M+ per year I don't see him as a player we should retain.

 

If we were able to draft a WR like Marqise Lee or Odell Beckham, they bring a dynamic KR ability as well that could replace his production in ST without missing much while adding much more in the passing game.

[Gordo52]

Leach is a obvious cap casualty right?

[rmw10]

Leach is a obvious cap casualty right?

 

Yeah he's gone.  He's playing something around 20% of the team's offensive snaps.