2014 Salary Cap Update

[BmoreBird22]

 

Dumervil didn't have the leverage, though.  It was take the pay cut or be cut.  He only took the pay cut because it was more than he was going to and is making on the open market.  Unfortunately in his case, a fax machine significantly reduced his pay.  We don't have that bargaining chip with Ngata.  It's certainly possible that he takes a pay cut, but rarely do you see guys actually do it.

I'm not suggesting it will happen, but we can always hope that at least one player will find it in his heart to help out the team for a shot at another ring.

[5aiah]

Pernell is going to stick at OLB.  One of the primary reasons they moved him there was because he wasn't big enough for the contact on the DL and kept getting banged up.

We'll see I guess. Pernell doesn't seem to have the agility or speed to be a full time LB imo. He would make a pretty good target or give away when he's in. For a team that loves versatility and deception on defense I can't see him playing just OLB. Good thing is that he's growing and learning but I could definitely see a change back to the line if needed. From there he is a true versatile plan wrecker dropping back into coverage as well as rushing the passer and stopping the run. 

[BMORE_96]

I don't think we're that deep at all, either.  Next year, we have Ngata, Canty, Williams, Tyson, and KLM under contract.  Cnaty and Ngata are aging.  Williams is a rookie that still needs work.  Tyson is probably better suited as a backup.  KLM is a complete unknown right now.  I wouldn't be surprised to see us hit a DL high in the draft if we don't get Art Jones back.

Brandon Williams was ballling for us. In every game, he earned a positive grade and he passed the eye test. He was a great anchor for the defense, rarely getting pushed back. At this point, he is probably our best rookie. I have no idea why they are not playing him. I guess Tyson provides better pash rush and is the replacement for Jones. My response is why is Cody out there when Williams graded out better compared to what Cody is doing now.Are they trying to judge his ability before free agency?  Why not let your best players play? It boggles my mind. 

 

Anyway, a line of Ngata Williams Tyson next year sounds good to me. Canty can be a good backup with KLM and maybe Cody as the NT. I think letting Arthur go , resigning Cody for cheap, and drafting another player late is the best route to go. I don't think we need to sign any external FA's. This unit of our team, I feel, will still be good next season.

[ravensfan2424]

Leach and McClain are gone. They have viable replacements in Brown and Juice. I'd hope Suggs restructures to about $4-$5 million a year to lower his numbers. That gives us another $8 million in savings putting us around $23.9 million to play with. 

 

On that List of FA's, I see Pitta and Monroe Definitely getting resign. They're way to valuable to let go.

 

The franchise tag for Pitta is good but he can't stay on it because Jimmy Graham's contract is bound to shoot up the average. Pitta I see getting a $6-$7 million deal if we miss the playoffs, or if he plays mediocre, and if we make it and he plays lights out, possibly $8 million. Both deals for about 3-4 years

 

Monroe's deal is complex. Sure he's been good now to garner a nice contract, but are we going to ignore all of those poor years in Jacksonville? He'll command a higher end deal, but not too nice. I'm guessing around say $5-$6 million for 4 years. 

 

The next wave of FA's are the players belied to be Core players but may come cheap. That might be Jacoby and Daryl. Jacoby is older and is mainly used as the electric KR and 3rd receiver once Marlon gets going. I say he resigns for a $1-$2 million  deal for 2 years. Daryl is the middle man on our defense and we really don't have someone to take his place yet. He gets a solid, multi-year deal of $5 million per year for at most 3 years. 

 

This leaves us with hopefully $4.9 million for everyone else. Minus $3 million for draft picks and that leaves $1.9 million Assuming Ozzie wants a little more Room than that, He may release Canty or Koch or both. Seeing as we are already losing Jones, I see Canty staying so Koch goes to free up another $1.6 mil to put us at $3.5 mil. 

 

With the Draft, we can probably address the RT issue and D-Line issue with the 1st two picks. Other than that, I see the remaining cap space being spent on rotation and depth players. 

 

Wouldn't mind this quiet offseason to be honest. Main people resigned while still holding the main core of the team

[arnie_uk]

Leach and McClain are gone. They have viable replacements in Brown and Juice. I'd hope Suggs restructures to about $4-$5 million a year to lower his numbers. That gives us another $8 million in savings putting us around $23.9 million to play with.

On that List of FA's, I see Pitta and Monroe Definitely getting resign. They're way to valuable to let go.

The franchise tag for Pitta is good but he can't stay on it because Jimmy Graham's contract is bound to shoot up the average. Pitta I see getting a $6-$7 million deal if we miss the playoffs, or if he plays mediocre, and if we make it and he plays lights out, possibly $8 million. Both deals for about 3-4 years

Monroe's deal is complex. Sure he's been good now to garner a nice contract, but are we going to ignore all of those poor years in Jacksonville? He'll command a higher end deal, but not too nice. I'm guessing around say $5-$6 million for 4 years.

The next wave of FA's are the players belied to be Core players but may come cheap. That might be Jacoby and Daryl. Jacoby is older and is mainly used as the electric KR and 3rd receiver once Marlon gets going. I say he resigns for a $1-$2 million deal for 2 years. Daryl is the middle man on our defense and we really don't have someone to take his place yet. He gets a solid, multi-year deal of $5 million per year for at most 3 years.

This leaves us with hopefully $4.9 million for everyone else. Minus $3 million for draft picks and that leaves $1.9 million Assuming Ozzie wants a little more Room than that, He may release Canty or Koch or both. Seeing as we are already losing Jones, I see Canty staying so Koch goes to free up another $1.6 mil to put us at $3.5 mil.

With the Draft, we can probably address the RT issue and D-Line issue with the 1st two picks. Other than that, I see the remaining cap space being spent on rotation and depth players.

Wouldn't mind this quiet offseason to be honest. Main people resigned while still holding the main core of the team

monroe? Poor? In jax? You clearly didnt follow him at all. He was with mmjd the only bright spots on that offense. While he wasnt one of the leagues best hes been a consistent performer and easily top 10 left tackle these recent years.

[gabefergy]

Brandon Williams was ballling for us. In every game, he earned a positive grade and he passed the eye test. He was a great anchor for the defense, rarely getting pushed back. At this point, he is probably our best rookie. I have no idea why they are not playing him. I guess Tyson provides better pash rush and is the replacement for Jones. My response is why is Cody out there when Williams graded out better compared to what Cody is doing now.Are they trying to judge his ability before free agency?  Why not let your best players play? It boggles my mind. 

 

Anyway, a line of Ngata Williams Tyson next year sounds good to me. Canty can be a good backup with KLM and maybe Cody as the NT. I think letting Arthur go , resigning Cody for cheap, and drafting another player late is the best route to go. I don't think we need to sign any external FA's. This unit of our team, I feel, will still be good next season.

Have to disagree with this assessment. Williams has really struggled when in there. He sure hasn't passed my eye test. He is big enough not to get pushed around, but I have seen a lot of poor technique from him and he has really really bad balance. He plays way too high and struggles to get off blocks. He has shown flashes of potential, but he need a ton of work.

 

Canty is worlds ahead of Williams and Tyson right now, and he will be a starter as long as he is on the team. I have high hopes for Kap, but we have to wait and see with him. Letting Arthur go is a possibility because of the cap, but he has been right up there with Canty as our best DE. Both have played extremely well this season and it would be a shame to let him go.

[rmw10]

Clearly someone doesn't like me as I'm getting negged for everything lol.

[Ravens1991]

Here is something that popped into my head randomly as Im cramming for a final tomorrow.


Ihedibo, Jacoby Jones, Daryl Smith are all starters who will be 30+ next year  who will be FAs. They also can get a solid deal 2-3 year deal on the market. My question is what do we do with them? Do we let them go or what? Daryl Smith is probably the best out of those 3 but the depth behind him is better then the WR and S depth behind Jones and Ihedibo. I dont think we let all three walk. Who would you bring back? I am torn between Jacoby Jones and Daryl Smith. I lean towards Jones because I have more faith in Bynes/Brown/McClain contributing then I do Thompson/Doss/Mellette. Also we can just go ball hawk FS in the draft to pair up with Elam who I think will be a better inbox safety then Ihedibo. He made some plays in the box against CHI I hope he gets moved their full time.

[rmw10]

Here is something that popped into my head randomly as Im cramming for a final tomorrow.

Ihedibo, Jacoby Jones, Daryl Smith are all starters who will be FAs. They also can get a solid deal 2-3 year deal on the market. My question is what do we do with them? Do we let them go or what? Daryl Smith is probably the best out of those 3 but the depth behind him is better then the WR and S depth behind Jones and Ihedibo. I dont think we let all three walk. Who would you bring back? I am torn between Jacoby Jones and Daryl Smith. I lean towards Jones because I have more faith in Bynes/Brown/McClain contributing then I do Thompson/Doss/Mellette. Also we can just go ball hawk FS in the draft to pair up with Elam who I think will be a better inbox safety then Ihedibo. He made some plays in the box against CHI I hope he gets moved their full time.

 

I think we'll have talks with all 3.  There's probably interest, but I expect us to let them all go out and test the market to see what they can get.  I don't care what anyone says.  Monroe and Pitta will be back.  Depending on how much they get, this increase in salary cap could allow us to bring back 2 of the 3 you mentioned.  In my opinion, I believe that the likelihood of those 3 being re-signed would be Ihedigbo, Smith, and Jones in that order.

 

Ihedigbo will be fairly cheap.  He's played well, but guys like him come around all the time.  The only reason I think we're interested in bringing him back is a very weak FA/draft market at FS, so I see no reason to move Elam over with no one to fill the FS spot.  He leads the secondary, so he has more value than his play on the field.  I'd guess he'd get a 2 year deal at $2-3M annually, if that.

 

Daryl is someone we'll express interest in, but as you said, it depends on how we feel about Brown taking over.  I think he could get a nice 3 year deal at $4-5M per year.  I don't know if we'd go that high, but I think its a fair deal that we can afford if we really want him back.

 

Jacoby is the complete wildcard.  I'm not sure how much he'll get out there, but I have a feeling it will be more than we're willing to pay for a 3rd WR (but a fantastic KR).  KR are fairly replaceable.  While you aren't going to get Jacoby, you can find competent replacements for much less than he's going to make.  We kind of already have that guy in Thompson.  I'd like to have him back, but I'm not sure it happens.

[beanfigger]

The new rule allowing FAs to talk with other teams for a couple days before the official start of the year will determine a lot. If some FA we want to resign gets some insane offer like Ellerbe did this year, all our plans could go down the drain.

[billick]

Ray Rice may retire. Not sure, but he is injured, and aware of what may happen as he gets older.

 

No joke.

[Ravens1991]

Ray Rice may retire. Not sure, but he is injured, and aware of what may happen as he gets older.

 

No joke.

Source?

[Wisdom]

Clearly someone doesn't like me as I'm getting negged for everything lol.

 

Me too, welcome to the club.  This site has restricted / removed several of my posts that were critical of Flacco.   I can hardly wait to hear why my comments were never posted.   What is your opinion of censorship on forums? ..... Disagreement not being withstanding.

[arnie_uk]

Me too, welcome to the club. This site has restricted / removed several of my posts that were critical of Flacco. I can hardly wait to hear why my comments were never posted. What is your opinion of censorship on forums? ..... Disagreement not being withstanding.

probably because all you seem to do is criticse him and can't see the bigger picture. Thats trolling and againt forum rules...

[Wisdom]

probably because all you seem to do is criticse him and can't see the bigger picture. Thats trolling and againt forum rules...

 

Thanks for the quick response however, I do called it as I see it and if that's trolling than I'm guilty as charged.  

[arnie_uk]

Thanks for the quick response however, I do called it as I see it and if that's trolling than I'm guilty as charged.

there's calling it as you see it and then just coming on to criticise flacco

[Wisdom]

there's calling it as you see it and then just coming on to criticise flacco

 

I will continued to criticize mediocrity, sorry if that’s offends you.  Perhaps, this shouldn't be an open forum..... if we are not free to disagree.    

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Jameel McClain and Vonta Leach can go.Eugene Monroe,Dennis Pitta,Daryl Smith and maybe either Corey Graham or Oher(depending on the market value) should come back.As long as we bring the big 3 back I'll be happy.

[Hardbaugh]

I'd like to see Flacco traded if there is a team dumb enough to take on that albatross of a contract.

Any rebuilding of this franchise will come after that deal is gone, as his yearly cap figure escalates there will be less monies available to assist him in his quest for mediocrity.

Any talk about this team building or challenging for a championship in the coming seasons is mute.

[redrum52]

I'd like to see Flacco traded if there is a team dumb enough to take on that albatross of a contract.

Any rebuilding of this franchise will come after that deal is gone, as his yearly cap figure escalates there will be less monies available to assist him in his quest for mediocrity.

Any talk about this team building or challenging for a championship in the coming seasons is mute.

You don't think that's excessive?

[arnie_uk]

I'd like to see Flacco traded if there is a team dumb enough to take on that albatross of a contract.

Any rebuilding of this franchise will come after that deal is gone, as his yearly cap figure escalates there will be less monies available to assist him in his quest for mediocrity.

Any talk about this team building or challenging for a championship in the coming seasons is mute.

really? And people like redrum52 wonder why people get super defensive regards flacco?

[arnie_uk]

I will continued to criticize mediocrity, sorry if that’s offends you. Perhaps, this shouldn't be an open forum..... if we are not free to disagree.

all your posts criticse flacco. You don't post about anyone other than flacco. You came into a thread regards salary cap to complain about a flacco post in another thread being deleted. Thats the definition of trolling and hence why your posts are probably over moderated

[arnie_uk]

Jameel McClain and Vonta Leach can go.Eugene Monroe,Dennis Pitta,Daryl Smith and maybe either Corey Graham or Oher(depending on the market value) should come back.As long as we bring the big 3 back I'll be happy.

oher shouldn't be back. I think that ship has sailed. He's an average player. We can't function with average olinemen.

[rmw10]

oher shouldn't be back. I think that ship has sailed. He's an average player. We can't function with average olinemen.

I wouldn't even call him average, for this year at least. He's been terrible. There's absolutely no way he's back.

[redrum52]

really? And people like redrum52 wonder why people get super defensive regards flacco?

And look at what I posted above...

[arnie_uk]

And look at what I posted above...

but those posts are the answer to your question about why people over defend flacco. You see what we have to deal with?

[Wisdom]

all your posts criticse flacco. You don't post about anyone other than flacco. You came into a thread regards salary cap to complain about a flacco post in another thread being deleted. Thats the definition of trolling and hence why your posts are probably over moderated

 

Really, your response makes no sense at all.   Did you really read what I wrote?  Please disarm yourself, it’s not that serious. Going forward, let’s just choose to disagree and move on.....

[Hardbaugh]

really? And people like redrum52 wonder why people get super defensive regards flacco?

The same peeps were posting the same stuff before I registered. Matter of fact what red rum speaks on is why I registered.

I'll make an effort to help the mods get this back on topic instead of debating forum members personalities.

 

oher shouldn't be back. I think that ship has sailed. He's an average player. We can't function with average olinemen

Why shouldn't Oher be back he's a winner. Look at his record as a tackle , look at how many wins he has....stats don't matter, pay the man. </sarcasm>

I just point this out to note the ludicrous nature of negotiations last offseason by a player and his representation. I'm surprised it worked against this front office, possibly they were painted into a corner by fans. The Ravens initial offer was more than fair payment and this has everything to do with the cap going forward.

[rmw10]

Can this not turn into a Flacco thread?  I'm pretty sure there's a 152 page thread where this discussion is already taking place.

[PolishRifle]

Can this not turn into a Flacco thread?  I'm pretty sure there's a 152 page thread where this discussion is already taking place.

 

You heard the guys. Trading Flacco is our key to success and endless money. We can get a mediocre QB just like him in 4th round in every draft. It's soooo easy. That's why the Ravens were always set at the QB position.

 

If you think this won't turn into a Flacco threat with Joe's contract being a major point of contention, then you must be new here.