Why the hate on Dean Pees?

[flynismo]

Such a joke. Offense doesn't go on a 9 min drive, defense lets up 6 next drive...MUST BE EXHAUSTED.

To me, what makes it even worse is that 1. the offense tires as well on those extended drives and 2. these guys are professional athletes. Anyone who has ever participated in demanding sports like cycling can tell you that heart and mental toughness can go a long way.

[flynismo]

As usual, your analysis is grossly oversimplified. The D is supposed to put the O in good field position. How many turnovers did they create against NE? Who was the former QB turned slot receiver who burned us all night? You don't think going for it on 4th down in the 3rd quarter and coming up empty is not a coaching error? How 'bout not getting to the QB all night until Suggs' last quarter sack? The defense was very poorly executed by a bunch of underachieving All-star players who were coached by someone who knew NE's system and trends better than some of NE's players. That's called poor game-planning and play-calling. Our entire coaching staff needs a major shake-up. Our final record most likely will be 8-8 at seasons end and that's average. I hope I'm wrong and we wind up at 9-7 'cause that's what this prognosticator predicted before the season started and Dennis went down to injury. I revisited my prediction then and revised it to 8-8. I said our offense stunk up the field. Can you stop making excuses for inept defensive play and coaching? It was once again a team loss.

Yeah, it's safe to say we stunk across the board. Kinda nitpicky to blame just one side of the ball for that embarrassment

[mmcclend]

Its pretty simple really. The offense was useless, put the D in terrible field condition over and over again, by there was still an opportunity to win that game late in the 4th. Like I previously stated, the D kept getting the ball back to the offense. Its not their fault the O could not capitalize. Furthermore looking at how the D did fail it was players breaking down, not coaching errors.

I agree and disagree.  Most of Toms throws were play action, receiver up the seam right in the middle of our zone.  Belichick outcoached us point blank period.  When the other team knows when we are running and passing the ball its pure coaching.... I agree the pitiful offense left the D hanging bad though.

[gabefergy]

I agree and disagree.  Most of Toms throws were play action, receiver up the seam right in the middle of our zone.  Belichick outcoached us point blank period.  When the other team knows when we are running and passing the ball its pure coaching.... I agree the pitiful offense left the D hanging bad though.

It wasn't a perfect game by the defense by any stretch. They allowed the Pats to put points up, but overall they held that offense in check for most of the game. Brady threw for only 172 on 14/26. They had 300 yards total offense. If our offense could have done anything it's a completely different game.

[GrimCoconut]

My biggest gripes regarding the defense is how we don't seem very good at scheming guys to take advantage of mismatches, the inconsistent run defense, the complete lack of turnovers (highly frustrating), and the confusion I see it there. Not all of that is on coaches. Most of it is player execution. I don't know if he needs to be replaced but perhaps the players aren't responding to him and would be more effective with someone different. I'm not saying we should fire Dean but if we can upgrade then do it.

I do miss the days where we disguised stuff like crazy, and we still do that. I feel like as lot of our issues are with three players and not Dean Pees. I only criticize him for the lack of turnovers, as while those are also based on luck or guys never seem to capitalize on them and that's beyond frustrating. I want to see more forced fumbles.

[mmcclend]

It wasn't a perfect game by the defense by any stretch. They allowed the Pats to put points up, but overall they held that offense in check for most of the game. Brady threw for only 172 on 14/26. They had 300 yards total offense. If our offense could have done anything it's a completely different game.

Yeah I agree with you.  The defense did enough for our 120 million dollar QB to win that game.  Besides the first quarter, they held their own.  Also the first td was provided off that BS call.

[The Raven]

Around top ten in scoring defense and forced the most three and outs in the league.

 

Yeah, I'd like to get turnovers but you can't argue against points and three and outs

[Dfence4champs2052]

I really don't understand it. I have seen very little wrong with the defensive scheme this year. Almost all big plays have come from mistakes in execution. A defensive back failing in 1 on 1 coverage, a player not playing the zone correctly allowing an easy big play, missed tackles.

Why are people blaming Pees? On both of those quick TDs in the 4th quarter there were multiple players who had chances to make the tackle but simply whiffed. Not his fault at all.


Give me a logical explanation why he should be fired. Not just how the defense is playing, but something wrong with his scheme/play calling SPECIFICALLY that has happened this season.

Nothing wrong with the scheme? You mean like them staying in pass defense formations and nearly allowing the paytriots to convert a 1st & 30 and getting the ball rammed down their throats when everyone in M&T Bank knew they would rum the rest of the game out? Nope nothing wrong with Dean Piss and his playcalling!!!

[Dfence4champs2052]

I will concede the bogus PI calls were deadly but still.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

I mean the man came out himself and said he wants the blame for this game, which I don't really get as this last one was a whole team collapse, but still it's the second time this season Pees comes out and ask to be fully accountable for a game

[Guest RBates]

I men the man came out himself and said he wants the blame for this game, which I don't really get as this last one was a whole team collapse, but still it's the second time this season Pees comes out and ask to be fully accountable for a game

And he should.  He is not putting players in position to make plays. 

[Tank 92]

Around top ten in scoring defense and forced the most three and outs in the league.
 
Yeah, I'd like to get turnovers but you can't argue against points and three and outs

4th quarter failures....... Arghhhhhhh!!!!!

[The Raven]

And he should.  He is not putting players in position to make plays. 

 

I'll take a good scoring defense over a play making defense. ;)

[The Raven]

4th quarter failures....... Arghhhhhhh!!!!!

 

Yeah, those suck, but when you allow just 20 points a game, those fourth quarter failures shouldn't happen. If you allow 20 points, you should win.

[Guest RBates]

I'll take a good scoring defense over a play making defense. ;)

Don't they usually go hand in hand?

[The Raven]

Don't they usually go hand in hand?

 

Usually, yes. But given the obvious facts, they don't have to. Look at the numbers... We don't allow a lot of points. 

[Guest RBates]

Usually, yes. But given the obvious facts, they don't have to. Look at the numbers... We don't allow a lot of points. 

We haven't played a lot of good offensive teams.  Every good offense we played we lost too.  Things that make you go HMMMMM.

[baltimorefan328]

Dean Peas's game plan really shocked me today. The ravens allowed the Bengals to run screen after screen successfully and multiple runs by Dalton. I was also very confused why he would scheme a play allowing AJ Green to be 1 on 1 with Matt Elam...that is a top 5 wide receiver in the nfl on a rookie 5 foot 10 safety. I realize players must make plays but it seemed that the overall gameplan wasn't what it should have been. We also lacked getting pressure on Dalton consistently, it seems Peas could have schemed some different blitzes in there to confuse the offensive line especially with the Bengals center being injured. I realize Dalton threw interceptions but he also had a lot of time on plays. I realize the Bengals offense is very good and I am not just bashing on Peas because I do think the defense played well this year, but his gameplan and failure to make adjustments in this game really confused me

[The Raven]

Don't they usually go hand in hand?

 

Hey buddy... Four turnovers... 34 points... Hmm...

[Dr. Kelley]

Just because the offense sucks it up does not mean that dean pees is a good coordinator. See: this game.

Spin it all you want, but its the truth.

[Ravenslifer]

Just to point one thing out (and I don't know if they included today's game in the stats): last year with all the "injuries we gave up 21.5 PPG.  This year with all of the "defensive improvements" we've given up 21.2 PPG, and like I said I don't think today's game was included.

[Ed_Reed20]

Just to point one thing out (and I don't know if they included today's game in the stats): last year with all the "injuries we gave up 21.5 PPG.  This year with all of the "defensive improvements" we've given up 21.2 PPG, and like I said I don't think today's game was included.

 

That's just depressing.