Why the hate on Dean Pees?

[dhstandard]

I really don't understand it.  I have seen very little wrong with the defensive scheme this year.  Almost all big plays have come from mistakes in execution.  A defensive back failing in 1 on 1 coverage, a player not playing the zone correctly allowing an easy big play, missed tackles.

 

Why are people blaming Pees?  On both of those quick TDs in the 4th quarter there were multiple players who had chances to make the tackle but simply whiffed.  Not his fault at all.

 

 

Give me a logical explanation why he should be fired.  Not just how the defense is playing,  but something wrong with his scheme/play calling SPECIFICALLY that has happened this season.

[K-Dog]

Because most of the people here can do a much better job.
:rolleyes:

[runamuk]

I don't think Pees is the cause of the problems like op stated its more execution. Why does the entire defense forget how to tackle in the fourth quarter? Pees can't help that .

[Corvus]

Very little blame can be put on Pees. He has a small role in things (like rushing only 3 guys, the only time you should be doing that is in a clear prevent situation at the end of a game) but ultimately our players are guys responsible for executing. Gerhart's TD could have easily been stopped with our guys not running into one another and tackling well. Frankly, I'm much more worried about how little we've been able to get at the opponent's QB the last two games. The stat sheet doesn't list pressures and hurries but even those serm to have been few and far between these last two games. I'm not one of the ones trying to blame Pees but he AND our pass rushers have to step it up in that regard with Stafford, Brady, and Dalton left on the schedule.

[RavensFan34950]

Pees isn't the reason Webb couldn't cover yesterday. Pees isn't the reason for Suggs recent play. Pees isn't the reason our safety's couldn't tackle yesterday. Look all i know is he isn't killing the team at all. He knows how to call a defense. I mean sure i wish he would be a little more aggressive but all in all he's doing pretty good. Im happy he's our coordinator. And less likely to leave for a head coaching job else where.

[Tank 92]

I think some just don't want to believe that a lot of our players on D have been under performing and look to the coach to lay blame. And I bet if you were to go back and look at who they are, many would be the same folks that have been blaming The Flacco and the O for losing the tight games.

[1/28/01]

Uninformed fans? Perhaps...

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

he doesn't really read the game to make adjustments in time

if game plan fails and the other team plays us a different way to what we prepared for, we're in big trouble as the play calling doesn't help the players re-adjust

at times we play too conservative and at other times we throw everything we got towards the qb, just to be beat by a screen or a run through the middle

[Gordo52]

Scapegoat.

[jazz1988]

I think some people dislike pees because his playing calling isn't as aggressive as Chuck Pagano or Rey Ryan but I'm fine with him being the defensive coordinator .

[CalvinSmoke]

Our defense has struggled with half time adjustments, most defenses do honestly, we are just especially bad at it. 

[JohnJohnson]

I disagree with rushing 3 in a hail mary situation. But I have to give credit to the Vikings offensive coordinator for yesterday's game. The Gerhart draw was a great call, and the screen pass was smart (especially because it was so slippery). Those plays should have been chunk plays, but not TDs. I'll chalk up the bad tackling to the snow.

[AsianRice]

something wrong with our pass rush or 4 man pressure or tackling or coverage.....It falls on our players...

 

Is this the scheme or the abilities of our players? I think it's 50/50 but yesterday 80% was our players' faults on mental breakdown for late game scoring......

 

Pees didn't do anything that would sound a red alarm for me.....

[The Raven]

Why the hate on Dean Pees? 

 

1. Baltimore fans are of the belief that you have to blitz to be a good defense because of Rex and his organized chaos.

 

2. Fans would rather blame the coaches instead of the players that are obviously not producing as well as they should. Easier to blame a coach.

 

3. Well, because he's not Rex or Pagano. That's another reason.

 

If you can't get pressure with four, that's on the players and not the DC. We haven't gotten consistent four man pressure in a month.

[bayonetxwork]

While some can argue with his fourth quarter passiveness, I see most of the flaws on defense coming from extremely poor execution. At the end of the day, the defense as a whole needs to do a better job at getting off of the field in the fourth quarter and getting to the quarterback.

 

This defense is ridiculous. They play lights out for three quarters. Do the opposite in the final quarter. Overall, I think we are in a pretty good position--and I don't think the defense should be our primary concern...

[The Raven]

For as much money we've invested between Suggs, Doom, Ngata, and Canty, it's amazing that our pass rush is so damn inconsistent. 

[jimmypowder]

I think some people dislike pees because his playing calling isn't as aggressive as Chuck Pagano or Rey Ryan but I'm fine with him being the defensive coordinator .

Yes ,you hit the jackpot. We are just not used to his style .

[Dr. Kelley]

Yes ,you hit the jackpot. We are just not used to his style .

What style is that? The " not doing your job" method of defensive coordination?

He's just anothet harbaugh superfriend who will be kept around way too long.

[Dr. Kelley]

For as much money we've invested between Suggs, Doom, Ngata, and Canty, it's amazing that our pass rush is so damn inconsistent.

Also the tackling has been extremely poor. Matt elam had played all season and still hasn't learned to tackle. It's not much of a mystery how we get gouged for large chunks of yardage when our only way to stop the other team is diving half -assedly at the opponents ankles.

[TSizzle00]

Pees had little to do with the 100 missed tackles on those late VIkings TDs. Plus that one by that WR was great, he had RB vision and our safety couldn't adjust on the snow.

[CalvinSmoke]

The snow made a big difference for both defenses. It's no surprise that suddenly both teams couldn't be stopped, it's impossible to play defense on ice.

[flynismo]

What style is that? The " not doing your job" method of defensive coordination?

He's just anothet harbaugh superfriend who will be kept around way too long.

Enlightening!

[Dr. Kelley]

Enlightening!

You can agree to disagree, but he was booted from new England for a reason. Of course, he fits right in with the harbaugh league of superfriends. Completely uninspired.

Granted, I'm not saying the players aren't to blame as well for poor execution, because they are, but responsability starts at the top. If the players are blowing it, why is he not going to harbaugh and demanding these players go back and re-enforce their fundamentals? Why aren't they being taught proper tackling technique? He just comes accross like he doesn't care. He doesn't really make in game adjustments. He comes up with unimaginative and simple game plans. There's a reason our defense has dropped off the last two years, and he can't use the injury excuse he got a free pass with last year.

[The Raven]

You can agree to disagree, but he was booted from new England for a reason. Of course, he fits right in with the harbaugh league of superfriends. Completely uninspired.

Granted, I'm not saying the players aren't to blame as well for poor execution, because they are, but responsability starts at the top. If the players are blowing it, why is he not going to harbaugh and demanding these players go back and re-enforce their fundamentals? Why aren't they being taught proper tackling technique? He just comes accross like he doesn't care. He doesn't really make in game adjustments. He comes up with unimaginative and simple game plans. There's a reason our defense has dropped off the last two years, and he can't use the injury excuse he got a free pass with last year.

 

Teaching NFL players how to tackle is kind of stupid. If you haven't figured out the fundamentals by the time you reach the pro's, you probably never will. Blaming that on Pees is silly.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Teaching NFL players how to tackle is kind of stupid. If you haven't figured out the fundamentals by the time you reach the pro's, you probably never will. Blaming that on Pees is silly.

Well said...it all comes down to EXECUTION if your players cannot perform what you are telling them to do it is merely a personell problem meaning plain and simple the players sucked on that given day. Yesterday our safeties and LBs looked tired, lazy, and flatout pothetic missing wide open tackles on a rookie and a RB that barely sees 5 carries a game because he backs up AD. You look at those big TD plays our defense allowed there was nothing Dean Pees could have called differently that would have made them change...BUT if our guys could have made tackles it would be a different story.

 

Dean Pees is not the BEST DC in the NFL but he seems to get the job done enough that Harbaugh probably wont fire him, until we are like the Saints of 2012 and start allowing 500 yards per game to opposing offenses. People tend to forget we have a top 10 rush defense this year...although we have had a few games where we got run on a little bit. For the most part our young defense is pretty good and with a few tweaks and additions we could be back to being the juggernaut D we used to be. 

[admartian]

Because most of the people here can do a much better job.
:rolleyes:

I hate this mentality (not the poster so please don't take this as an attack :)); whenever someone or people are criticising another person (in a non-abusive manner) - usually in a professional sports environment.

 

No one is saying: "Pees sucks I CAN DO BETTER". People are jut displeased, and often, statements like these are used as red herrings to distract from the actual issues of why people are not happy.

 

People aren't happy because for a large part, it is to do with Pees' planning.

 

Not because we believe we can do better...

[The Raven]

Well said...it all comes down to EXECUTION if your players cannot perform what you are telling them to do it is merely a personell problem meaning plain and simple the players sucked on that given day. Yesterday our safeties and LBs looked tired, lazy, and flatout pothetic missing wide open tackles on a rookie and a RB that barely sees 5 carries a game because he backs up AD. You look at those big TD plays our defense allowed there was nothing Dean Pees could have called differently that would have made them change...BUT if our guys could have made tackles it would be a different story.

 

Dean Pees is not the BEST DC in the NFL but he seems to get the job done enough that Harbaugh probably wont fire him, until we are like the Saints of 2012 and start allowing 500 yards per game to opposing offenses. People tend to forget we have a top 10 rush defense this year...although we have had a few games where we got run on a little bit. For the most part our young defense is pretty good and with a few tweaks and additions we could be back to being the juggernaut D we used to be. 

 

Agreed except the diss on Gerhart. That kid could start for most teams. 

[T3hRaven]

Teaching NFL players how to tackle is kind of stupid. If you haven't figured out the fundamentals by the time you reach the pro's, you probably never will. Blaming that on Pees is silly.

 

If you think people at this level, or people coming into this level, should know how to tackle you clearly don't watch college football.  Fundamental tackling might be something the group of kids in youth leagues are being taught now, but it was not a big concern for our current batch of NFLers.

[The Raven]

If you think people at this level, or people coming into this level, should know how to tackle you clearly don't watch college football.  Fundamental tackling might be something the group of kids in youth leagues are being taught now, but it was not a big concern for our current batch of NFLers.

 

It's a problem that goes back to peewee and HS ball. Players don't know how to tackle and never learn. It's too late by the time they reach the NFL.

 

However, they absolutely should know how to tackle and it's shameful they don't. My HS coach said that if you can't tackle, you don't play defense, period. It's just pathetic to watch starting NFL backers miss easy tackles.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Agreed except the diss on Gerhart. That kid could start for most teams. 

Nah he is more of a thumper chain moving change of pace back like Michael Bush or Brandon Jacobs...he aint that good and he embarrassed our defense yesterday haha