Torrey Smith

[The Raven]

Now convinced that Torrey needs a Boldin-like complement opposite of him.

 

His 1000 yards are because he was force-fed the ball, not because he beat guys consistently.

[Cville-Raven]

I know everyone hates him now but he's still my guy. Wish Caldwell was a bit more creative to get him the ball. I do think he needs help inside the numbers. I haven't been impressed at all by pitta since his return. We need a dominating presence there and it shows.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Now convinced that Torrey needs a Boldin-like complement opposite of him.

 

His 1000 yards are because he was force-fed the ball, not because he beat guys consistently.

He just needs to get stronger and keep developing his route running. I agree with ya though Torrey is more of a #2, and alot of them get 1000yards

[Purple_ICE 81]

If he keeps working and gets stronger and runs better routes next year he could be a beast.

[arnie_uk]

Hes something like 4th last in completion percentage. Edelman was top 5. Both of these before the games.

Difference in schemes

[Bruce_Almty]

Torrey Smith is many things, including our best receiver, but in the world of #1 NFL receivers he's average at best. Be it play calling, schemes, supporting cast, shutdown corner, whatever, Torrey disappears in many games. And only 4 TDs in 15 games.

I can see Torrey hitting the road after next year, Ozzie won't offer him big money.

[Tru11]

best receiver on the ravens.

 

to bad i dont see him run much crossing routes or wr screens and such.

 

if the ravens used him like the steelers use brown , im pretty sure he would have much better stats.

 

also if flacco did not under threw his as much as he does this season he would also have better stats.

 

to be fair to both flacco and smith , the ravens in their short history have never used the WR core to its strength.

 

can still remember the days when derrick mason was asked to run double move routes and go do all the freaking time or curl routes lol.

or boldin doing the same shit on the outside only to explode from the  slot in the play offs like he used to do in arizona.

 

chalk it up to scheme and playcalling....

 

just watch demarius thomas catch short screen passes and turn them in a big gain or cordalle patterson and percy harvin doing the same this year and in the past.

watch desean jackson line up in the back field as a RB and then go on a curl route and run past a safety or LBer since the cbs are on the outside wrs.

 

some teams are creative others are basic....

[jdynamite]

According to PFF, Torrey has the 2nd most drops in thr nfl, which speaks for itself. He doesn't take over a game or beat double teams enough.

There's no way that stat is correct, because Greg Little has been among top in Drops all year, Mike Wallace has had a number of dropped passes ( not sure how highly he ranks however ).

Also the issue with that stat is what is defined as a drop and recorded as a statistic as a result.

[billick]

TS is an excellent slot receiver. He does not need 10 catches a game.  His job is to stretch the D, get behind the DB's.

 

Yards are his game, YAC.

 

He is not a ball control type, not a # 1.

[SecretAgentMan]

Now convinced that Torrey needs a Boldin-like complement opposite of him.

His 1000 yards are because he was force-fed the ball, not because he beat guys consistently.

I think he just needs a compliment lol....

He was basically the only guy all season. We need to retool on the offense this offseason

[jdynamite]

Torrey is the best WR on this team... In reality he became this midway through last season when teams began to roll coverage towards to Torrey or place their best DB on him, while leaving Boldin single covered until/unless Boldin made a couple of big plays.

The major problem for Torrey and why he may never be viewed by the media as a Top #1 WR is the way we use him or lack of using him. Most teams go to extraordinary measures to get the ball into their playmakers hands, they put them in motion often, line them up in various areas of the field to cause matchup problems, run WR screens, quick slants, crossing patterns, find ways to get them the ball quickly.

Our offense doesn't do that for Torrey, we still send him out wide to run 5+ Streaks a game, 5-10 ( Comeback routes ). There have been several games where Torrey is barely targeted for no reason other than lack of creative playcalling limiting him as an option.

Some games the offense spurts then Torrey finally gets a crossing pass underneath he runs for 20 r 30 yards. Then it's like why did we wait so long to try that and if it has such great success why don't we use it more.

I think Torrey smith should be used in a variety of ways: Desean Jackson , Antonio Brown come to mind two completely different styles but they find ways to get them easy quick catches early and often.

[jimjim5]

Smith's issue is that he is not big/strong enough to out muscle through a defender or to a spot, nor is he shifty / quick twitch enough to fake a defender and get to a spot. He is above-average across the board with his metrics, not excellent in any one thing. That is the real problem.

 

The fact that Flacco and/or the offensive doesn't appear to utilize and/or execute timed intermediate routes correctly adds to his weaknesses as a pass catcher.

[mdrsharon]

I really hope that he stays, he is a Maryland guy with family in the area.

We do need to make better use of him.

[Jillester]

Smith's issue is that he is not big/strong enough to out muscle through a defender or to a spot, nor is he shifty / quick twitch enough to fake a defender and get to a spot. He is above-average across the board with his metrics, not excellent in any one thing. That is the real problem.

 

The fact that Flacco and/or the offensive doesn't appear to utilize and/or execute timed intermediate routes correctly adds to his weaknesses as a pass catcher.

He has excellent speed.  Hands down he one of the fastest runners in the league.

[jimjim5]

He has excellent speed.  Hands down he one of the fastest runners in the league.

 

Yes and no. He has probably the best top-end speed of any receiver and great middle speed, but not starting speed. And the crazy thing about that is that Jacoby Jones is flat-out faster, except for on the top-end.

 

With that average starting speed - all you got to do is bump him. He runs top-heavy. with short, compact strides.

[redrum52]

Really depends on how you define a number one receiver.If you ask John Harbaugh, he'll tell you that it's the guy on top of the depth chart. If you ask someone else, it's a guy that dominates double coverage. If you ask me, it's a guy that will catch the majority of the balls thrown his way, gets open routinely, beats single coverage, and requires double coverage to keep him from blowing the top off a defense. By those standards, Torrey is a number one.

I agree. People try to compare him to AJ, Calvin and Julio. Those aren't guys you find everyday. Torrey is a capable #1 without a reliable 2 opposite him. I think Torrey, like everyone else on the offense is bogged down by the unit as a wholes lack of productivity. Now teams can key in on him more than ever and it's not like he has the frame or body to just out body or out jump double teams like those other guys with more size.

[Dfence4champs2052]

I think he's a severely underused weapon. I'm thrilled he topped 1,000 yards for the first time this season and got that monkey off his back. I hope they don't wait until his final year to figure out how to use him and his price tag suddenly balloons because of the offensive ineptitude and piss poor playcalling.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

come on Torrey, just 101 yards to go, let'g go get 'em

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Yes and no. He has probably the best top-end speed of any receiver and great middle speed, but not starting speed. And the crazy thing about that is that Jacoby Jones is flat-out faster, except for on the top-end.

 

With that average starting speed - all you got to do is bump him. He runs top-heavy. with short, compact strides.

 

Which is why our coaches have to scheme to get him a clean release off the line more often so he can accelerate to his top speed and get open immediately. Instead, they keep forcing him to do it on his own, and although he's improved some, that's still one of his biggest weaknesses.

 

Why do our coaches have this one size fits all mentality? It makes no sense.