What Do You Think of Ray Lewis's Comments?

[flynismo]

In your opinion but what makes them garbage? It's not like they doing rocket scientist type of work, they are speaking their opinions and some factual stuff about a simple game of football? Only thing other segments do like NFLN is they go further in detail with the PB stuff but even then, the stuff they are showing is not Eistein material. If anyone has played sports before, you don't need them to explain to you how a cover 2 is played or cover 3, football is simple man,lol.

If football is simple, then why can you not see that Flacco is the biggest reason, by far, for our SB? Maybe it's time to stop looking at things through the black and yellow glasses?

[wayne]

 

 

If it's truly that simple, why aren't you being paid to talk about it or play it? Why not coach it at the professional level instead of just saying you understand a cover 2 or 3, instead of proving it.

Oh, that's right, because there's a lot of intricacies and fine details. Things you wouldn't get.

 

It's deeper than just knowing it. Plus, you had to set your self up in life to achieve that and I didn't, I'm a couch warmer like yourself speaking about my opinions about it. That's why people like Ray and Skip are doing it, b/c they set their self up in life to do it. Football is not that complicated man,lol.

[wayne]

If football is simple, then why can you not see that Flacco is the biggest reason, by far, for our SB? Maybe it's time to stop looking at things through the black and yellow glasses?

Thats history, we talking about now. Yes, he was vital to us winning a SB but we speaking about the present. His past doesn't excuse his present.

[flynismo]

When the salary cap tightens up next year and the years after that(which it will). What do you realistically expect us seeing to help Joe? The dude is a 120m QB. His agent (Linta) and Joe made sure they were paid the highest money possible. Now its time for him to be that highest calibur QB that he is paid to be.

Whether you like it or not, this is what Joe will be given for the next 5-6 years if he miraculously stays here that long. He is paid like Brees, Rodgers. To be the hardest working man in the facility. To be the first and last person to leave everyday. To make weapons and develop the offense by himself. B/C thats what 120m is paid to do.

Is that the fact or not? Or am i being a 'hater'?

Joe only has one choice for him. He needs to get better, better enough to carry this offense himself from now on. There won't be stacked FAs to help him. And you know this is the truth.

Well, it remains to be seen what we do about restructuring the contract in a few years....plus by that time, Ngata and possibly Suggs will be gone, which would clear up nearly $25m right there.

And no, I do not believe this notion that a QB "makes weapons". I do believe however, that no qb can flourish if they had to work with what Flacco does.

One thing we both agree on---to heck with Joe Litna.

[wayne]

 

 

I didn't say it because I was kidding.

 

Ok, just keep that on this forum, don't tell that to no one else. Rodgers would be struggling, please!

[flynismo]

Thats history, we talking about now. Yes, he was vital to us winning a SB but we speaking about the present. His past doesn't excuse his present.

Considering that I was talking about how Flacco gift wrapped Ray a SB, it is very relevant to now

[wayne]

Considering that I was talking about how Flacco gift wrapped Ray a SB, it is very relevant to now

He didn't gift wrap nothing to Ray. He was a vital piece of a puzzle that contributed in a major way to a SB win.

[BmoreBird22]

 

Ok, just keep that on this forum, don't tell that to no one else. Rodgers would be struggling, please!

You're beating around the bush. Read my opening comment and prove me wrong.

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[flynismo]

Little bit of loyalty in your terms is lie about how he analyze Flacco? Ray should have lied I guess and said Flacco is on the same level as Manning and Brady and that Flacco is just now making these mistakes.

Ray.....lying.....there's a bitter comment I can make if I were petty.

So explain to me why Birk is full of crap and ray is telling the truth.
After all, Ray is the one with a history of lying to cover for his boys, not Birk.

[BmoreBird22]

He didn't gift wrap nothing to Ray. He was a vital piece of a puzzle that contributed in a major way to a SB win.

The defense gave up more yards, receptions, and touchdowns to tight ends with Ray on the field than without Ray. Joe did a huge favor by playing with that handicap.

[BmoreBird22]

It's deeper than just knowing it. Plus, you had to set your self up in life to achieve that and I didn't, I'm a couch warmer like yourself speaking about my opinions about it. That's why people like Ray and Skip are doing it, b/c they set their self up in life to do it. Football is not that complicated man,lol.

You keep saying football isn't complicated, and it's easy for us to sit here and talk about it, but I guarantee if you sat down with a coach to talk about plays, you'd embarrass yourself.

[flynismo]

He didn't gift wrap nothing to Ray. He was a vital piece of a puzzle that contributed in a major way to a SB win.

It certainly wasn't our defense that carried us through the playoffs and SB. That was all Flacco and Jacoby.

[redrum52]

Ray.....lying.....there's a bitter comment I can make if I were petty.

So explain to me why Birk is full of crap and ray is telling the truth.
After all, Ray is the one with a history of lying to cover for his boys, not Birk.

LMAO... You sir... You're a funny fella

[flynismo]

LMAO... You sir... You're a funny fella

Lol, it was there and too easy....see how that loyalty thing works, ray ray?? Don't bite the hand that feeds you

[redrum52]

Considering that I was talking about how Flacco gift wrapped Ray a SB, it is very relevant to now

 

Defense held for against the Colts when the offense didn't score first half.  Scored 6 against the Broncos when they held Peyton to 21 and shut out the Pats in the second half.  The defense fell apart in the second half, but so did the offense.  The defense also stopped the Niners from getting the td.  Can't say Flacco carried them, I'd consider that whole run a real team victory.

 

If you say he gift wrapped the SB victory, then you could say the run game and the defense gift wrapped Flaccos win loss percentage those first few years in the league and gave Flacco most of those playoff victories.  Flacco didn't really contribute til the 10 post season(playoff win wise), but since then he's been pretty efficient.  

 

He didn't gift wrap nothing to Ray. He was a vital piece of a puzzle that contributed in a major way to a SB win.

Agree with this.  

[sflegend89]

Ray, the defense ranked 17th last year. I would understand him saying his defense bailed out the QB in 2000 but last year Joe and the offense did most of the "heavy lifting" in that playoff run. I love Ray but I think he's been a little too outlandish at ESPN thus far. 

[gabefergy]

Thats history, we talking about now. Yes, he was vital to us winning a SB but we speaking about the present. His past doesn't excuse his present.

You just don't get it.

[PurpleCityLights]

Sad day when Raven fans turn on Ray Lewis, like if he didnt make this team what it is today. Why do you care so much about what people say about Flacco if its truth.......Was it a lie? NO!!!

[flynismo]

Sad day when Raven fans turn on Ray Lewis, like if he didnt make this team what it is today. Why do you care so much about what people say about Flacco if its truth.......Was it a lie? NO!!!

Depends who you ask. Birk said the complete opposite, and nobody knows the qb better than the C...

[PurpleCityLights]

Depends who you ask. Birk said the complete opposite, and nobody knows the qb better than the C...

Birk also said Gino was a good Center.........

[H8R]

The defense has had pieces, but don't act like there have never been All-Pros on the offense. Rice might not be finished yet, would say it's a little premature to judge someone on 1 bad season? If that's the case then Joe Flacco should retire. For the Bears game you could say our qb was outplayed, and a big difference that game was TURNOVERS. Joes lead to 10 points against a defense missing many key pieces. The Texans game was an all around bad performance by the team as a whole. The Steelers playoff game the defense scored 7 points to help build a half time lead. You mention the big play, which was a terrible coverage, but what about the offense coughing the ball up 3 consecutive times giving the Steelers excellent field position? You can say scrub qbs beat you, but how about you look at the scores of most those games and realized OUR OFFENSE DID NOTHING TO HELP OUT THE DEFENSE. If not for Jacoby we probably lose in Pitt last year.

2 HOFS, who many people are saying should've been out the game for years. The offense has had pieces and still not executed, the same way the defense with HOFs hasn't produced at times. The offense has just proven to be more unreliable.

I'm none debating. Who won us the ring last year? Certainly not the defense... if I had to choose a side.

[ravensdfan]

How about the pick to Troy in the AFCCG, Flaccos fumble last year against Denver, the pick against the Steelers in the playoffs in 10, the fumble in 10 on the Troy blitz, the pick 6 against the Bears?  The picks early in the Texans blowout last year, the stinker in Jacksonville, one of the worst qb perfomances against the Jets in 11?  That's off memory.  I know the defense has given up leads, especially in 2010 and last year, but you can't fault the defense most the time cause the offense decides in the last 4 minutes they want to score when the defense is playing a decent game the rest of it.  If the defense let most of the games get out of hand, I would be more understanding, but most of the time the offense just doesn't show up, or produce on the level you would expect professionals to do so.

 

 

Why? Why does the offense have to be perfection and score every drive, make no mistakes and put up a 40 burger but the defense, well, you know, you can't blame them for anything it's the offense's fault.

 

Just like this year. Outside of Denver the defense has failed to get off the field to give the offense a chance or has given up the go ahead score in every single other loss. But it's never their fault.

 

why?

[flynismo]

Birk also said Gino was a good Center.........

And maybe he will be. Nobody has played well in this scheme.
Dallas Clark said Flacco is the main reason he came here.
Better yet, the rest of the league voted Flacco as one of the top 20 players in the game today.

[Tru11]

dang alot of ray lewis bashing here lol

alot of closet steelers fans it seems.

 

a couple of facts:

yes the ravens ranked 17 last year in total defense but they where 12th in points given up and 2nd in redzone defense.

yes they gave up alot of yards but they allowed 21.5 points per game.

 

yardage wise they where bad but with points given up they where alot better and when it came down to redzone defense they where 1 of the best.

 

now dont even bring up the play offs.

they shut out brady the entire 2nd half which is impressive.(#1 offense  in points scored last season)

they limited the top offense to 21 points and forced 2 critical turnovers with 1 adding 7 points to the board against the (#2 ranked offense in points scored)

Now for the SB i see alot of people bringing up that the defense almost gave the game away in the 2nd half.

yet some fail to remember the offense fumbling the ball away on 1 drivr and the ravens offense only managing 2 FGs in the whole half.

Im not sure how you can put full blame on the defense lol.

They only started giving up yards on the ground after ngata went out ( yet some think he is replaceble)

 

Also the defense cant stop anyone late in a game if they are on the field all the freakin time after a 3 and out.

Again this season the ravens is #1 in redzone defense and #7 in points given up.

 

Stop blaiming the defense.

[ravensdfan]

 

 

dang alot of ray lewis bashing here lol

alot of closet steelers fans it seems.

 

a couple of facts:

yes the ravens ranked 17 last year in total defense but they where 12th in points given up and 2nd in redzone defense.

yes they gave up alot of yards but they allowed 21.5 points per game.

 

yardage wise they where bad but with points given up they where alot better and when it came down to redzone defense they where 1 of the best.

 

now dont even bring up the play offs.

they shut out brady the entire 2nd half which is impressive.(#1 offense  in points scored last season)

they limited the top offense to 21 points and forced 2 critical turnovers with 1 adding 7 points to the board against the (#2 ranked offense in points scored)

Now for the SB i see alot of people bringing up that the defense almost gave the game away in the 2nd half.

yet some fail to remember the offense fumbling the ball away on 1 drivr and the ravens offense only managing 2 FGs in the whole half.

Im not sure how you can put full blame on the defense lol.

They only started giving up yards on the ground after ngata went out ( yet some think he is replaceble)

 

Also the defense cant stop anyone late in a game if they are on the field all the freakin time after a 3 and out.

Again this season the ravens is #1 in redzone defense and #7 in points given up.

 

Stop blaiming the defense.

Stop making excuses for them.

 

First, let's be clear, we were referring to our playoff run where our defense allowed the most points ever during a successful playoff run. The most points ever.

 

Second, in regards to this season, I'd like to see figures where our defense ranks in the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter. I'd wager a bet it's pretty low. In the majority of our losses, we've held TOP so I see no reason our defense should be gassed.

 

 I'll say it again since none of the defense apologists have responded, why is the offense required to play perfectly and all 4 quarters, but the defense is not?

 

As for claiming that because someone dares to criticize Ray Lewis they are not a Ravens fan...do I get to expand that to include all the Flacco bashing going on? Just wondering.

[DefensiveMind]

Ray is completely right.  But some fans will continue to put blind faith in Flacco, hoping that he becomes something he is not.

[BmoreBird22]

Birk also said Gino was a good Center.........

Most of us probably had high hopes after he handled Gino Atkins pretty well in week 17. Let's be honest. He has the potential to be good, but center is a hard position to excel at early because it requires so much knowledge. Gino has had his ups and downs, but hasn't Marshall Yanda had a lot more downs than ups this season? The offensive line as a whole has struggled a lot at times.

[Gordo52]

Ray is completely right. But some fans will continue to put blind faith in Flacco, hoping that he becomes something he is not.

He already has --- Super Bowl MVP. Your blind hate must make you forget that. 6 years in the league, that's it.

[arnie_uk]

Ray is completely right. But some fans will continue to put blind faith in Flacco, hoping that he becomes something he is not.

I hope he comes an nfl history maker on the way to our second superbowl since our existence turning in an mvp performance to boot.


Oh wait hang on, he's done that

[redrum52]

Why? Why does the offense have to be perfection and score every drive, make no mistakes and put up a 40 burger but the defense, well, you know, you can't blame them for anything it's the offense's fault.

 

Just like this year. Outside of Denver the defense has failed to get off the field to give the offense a chance or has given up the go ahead score in every single other loss. But it's never their fault.

 

why?

Yea, cause this offense is known for it's high scoring ability.

 

So let me ask you a question, what do you consider a good job by the offense and what would you consider a bad job by the defense?  No one said either side had to play perfect, but I would bet if we went drive for drive, the defense puts the offense in better spots than the offense puts the defense.  Now people seem to want to give all the credit to the offense cause they finally kept their end of the bargain by DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSE TO.

 

Defense allowed 9 points against the Colts. 21 against the Broncos, scoring 6 and getting the ball back in range for another 3 to win the game, then allowed 13 to the Patriots, shutting them out for a half.  They fell apart during the second half of the SB, but so did the offense, and lets not forget who kept the Niners from scoring to take the lead.

 

Then you claim we probably held TOP.  TOP means nothing without points.  Maintaining drives is worthless if you can't finish the job or make it count.

 

It's pointless even trying to debate with blind Flacco homers.  Let's also mention that the run game was kind of efficient for the playoff run as well, as was the blocking, but now the o-line won't get credit, even with Rice trying to fumble away the teams hopes.  

 

As far as numbers as well, people who like to keep saying our 17th ranked defense was the problem, how about you go see where the offense was ranked last year.  Let me assist you, 16th.  Now, check where the defense is ranked this year and where the offense is, I'll wait.