What Do You Think of Ray Lewis's Comments?

[berad]

I agree with you 100%

 

Just like Mike Singletary/Walter Payton is to the Bears, Jerry Rice/Joe Montana is to the 9ers, Ray Lewis is and always will be the icon of the Baltimore Ravens. Even 5-10 years from now his name will be brought up when speaking of the Ravens. Flacco will never be remembered in that term.

 

Ray is a leader and always will be a leader. As long as he is involved in any type of football activity expect to hear his name. Either get used to it or get away from it..

 

Who is making that arguement? Ray Lewis is getting a statue outside of M&T. Flacco isn't.

 

No one is saying that.

[flynismo]

The same Montana who won two without Jerry, right?

That went right over your head.

[BmoreBird22]

He looked like Montana for 4 games and now I guess he is the second coming of Montana? What is that doing for us NOW?

 

Agreed!

Yea, true HOF pro bowl every year players right there, smh!

 

 

Whoop De Do. He tied Montana record so that means he will become Montana and play like him consistently throughout his career?

Exactly. Every player rather mediocre or good has put up stats or played just as good as some HOF players at some point in their careers.

Right now, Flacco is trying to hold an offense with one reliable receiver, no offensive line, and no running attack together. He's doing his best, and without him, I doubt the Ravens have two wins. Look at how Matt Ryan is fairing under the same conditions.

Point is that they were very big bodies that gobbled up blockers and left clean lanes for Ray Lewis. They didn't have to be the greatest of the great, but when I see people building "the all time Ravens team" Sam Adams is on it, and Goose is usually listed as a backup to Ngata.

Joe did it when it mattered against two of the better defenses in the league in Denver and San Fran and did it one of the hardest stadiums in the league to do it in against New England. That's what makes it special.

[flynismo]

I love how Wayne is trying to make it sound like we are calling Flacco the second coming of Montana AND totally brushes off what Flacco did all in one post. Impressive!

[flynismo]

Can we leave these comments in the Flacco thread? This is about Ray and his massive ego.

[BmoreBird22]

 

I love how Wayne is trying to make it sound like we are calling Flacco the second coming of Montana AND totally brushes off what Flacco did all in one post. Impressive!

People are totally missing the point of my post. It was not to say that Flacco is the best quarterback to ever play or that I hate Ray Lewis, just rather that every quarterback needs help and that the Ravens won as a team, not the defense bailing out the offense. However, because I disagreed with Ray, people have to take it to the extreme.

Maybe that's why Ray has an ego... people fuel it like gasoline on a wildfire.

[redrum52]

 

 

People are totally missing the point of my post. It was not to say that Flacco is the best quarterback to ever play or that I hate Ray Lewis, just rather that every quarterback needs help and that the Ravens won as a team, not the defense bailing out the offense. However, because I disagreed with Ray, people have to take it to the extreme.

Maybe that's why Ray has an ego... people fuel it like gasoline on a wildfire.

 

 Am I the only one seeing all that extra stuff before your comment?  

 

I don't think anyone will say the defense bailed out anyone last year.  At the same time I personally don't want to hear it was the offense that bailed anyone out either.  The run was a good blend of everyone doing their job, like what should have happened in 11 if not for that fg shanking, unclutch, rental kicker Cundiff.  DAMMIT JJ deserved a ring.

[flynismo]

Cheers! Am I the only one seeing all that extra stuff before your comment?

No, I see it too....I thought he was starting a new trend, like +35

[wayne]

Right now, Flacco is trying to hold an offense with one reliable receiver, no offensive line, and no running attack together. He's doing his best, and without him, I doubt the Ravens have two wins. Look at how Matt Ryan is fairing under the same conditions.

Point is that they were very big bodies that gobbled up blockers and left clean lanes for Ray Lewis. They didn't have to be the greatest of the great, but when I see people building "the all time Ravens team" Sam Adams is on it, and Goose is usually listed as a backup to Ngata.

Joe did it when it mattered against two of the better defenses in the league in Denver and San Fran and did it one of the hardest stadiums in the league to do it in against New England. That's what makes it special.

So he has O offensive line and 1 WR? Who is that one Wr, Torrey or Jacoby? He has no running attack which I guess is being affected by the same O-line you say Flacco doesn't have but that's not stopping people from crucifying Rice ( go check out the should we cut Ray Rice thread ). He has 0 TE I assume, Flacco has nothing at all, these wins are strictly either the defense or him doing it all by himself,lol. I'm sure there are QBs this year, QBs throughout the history of the NFL that have had it worse,lol. I feel the O-line is actually decent at pass blocking and not so good at run blocking when looking at the games. Ray rice could have a game like he had against the Bears every week and I'm still not sure Flacco won't keep making these same mistakes..... unless the coaching staff take away Flaccos pass attempts making him more of what he is, a game manager with the PA for a weapon.

[FerrariFan87]

Yeah, because Joe didn't bail out the defense with a miracle TD in Denver after the defense gave up over 30 points... come on, Ray, I thought you were better than that.

[wayne]

I love how Wayne is trying to make it sound like we are calling Flacco the second coming of Montana AND totally brushes off what Flacco did all in one post. Impressive!

Haven't I gave Flacco the credit for that impressive run? If I go back in this thread, I'm positive that I have given him plenty of credit for that run but I will also say what is that doing us for now and should he be exempt b/c of that stretch. We should have kept Ed and Ray should have played one more year if we excusing present play for what a player done in the past

[redrum52]

Yeah, because Joe didn't bail out the defense with a miracle TD in Denver after the defense gave up over 30 points... come on, Ray, I thought you were better than that.

STs gave up 2 tds and defense gave up 3.  They also scored 1.  The defense also got the ball back with field position to set up the game winning fg.

[FerrariFan87]

STs gave up 2 tds and defense gave up 3.  They also scored 1.  The defense also got the ball back with field position to set up the game winning fg.

Either way, Joe carried Ray and the D to the Super Bowl title. Period.

[BmoreBird22]

 

 Am I the only one seeing all that extra stuff before your comment?  

 

I don't think anyone will say the defense bailed out anyone last year.  At the same time I personally don't want to hear it was the offense that bailed anyone out either.  The run was a good blend of everyone doing their job, like what should have happened in 11 if not for that fg shanking, unclutch, rental kicker Cundiff.  DAMMIT JJ deserved a ring.

Actually, a lot of people are saying just that...

I meant the original post was meant to show that I disagreed with what Ray said, and I felt like his comments were wrong and meant to raise his own ego. Unlike a lot of people, I like to show why I disagree with people.

[BmoreBird22]

STs gave up 2 tds and defense gave up 3.  They also scored 1.  The defense also got the ball back with field position to set up the game winning fg.

Fact of the matter still remains that the offense put up 31 points against the fourth ranked defense in the NFL. It was a team win.

[BmoreBird22]

So he has O offensive line and 1 WR? Who is that one Wr, Torrey or Jacoby? He has no running attack which I guess is being affected by the same O-line you say Flacco doesn't have but that's not stopping people from crucifying Rice ( go check out the should we cut Ray Rice thread ). He has 0 TE I assume, Flacco has nothing at all, these wins are strictly either the defense or him doing it all by himself,lol. I'm sure there are QBs this year, QBs throughout the history of the NFL that have had it worse,lol. I feel the O-line is actually decent at pass blocking and not so good at run blocking when looking at the games. Ray rice could have a game like he had against the Bears every week and I'm still not sure Flacco won't keep making these same mistakes..... unless the coaching staff take away Flaccos pass attempts making him more of what he is, a game manager with the PA for a weapon.

Before Eugene Monroe came in, the Ravens were in PFF's bottom five in pass and run blocking blocking. Presently, they rank as  a middle of the pack team, but that's due mostly to Eugene Monroe consistently grading out in the green, and one great game against the Bears. The offensive line is still on pace to allow the most sacks in franchise history and have the lowest yards per carry in NFL history. All on them? No, but a good deal is.

Obviously that one is Torrey. Jacoby has only ever been a good number three. He stretches the field and not a whole lot else. He's a great receiver in open space, but not a great route runner. Not the number two that he's playing as. 

Dallas Clark is a great third down option and a great outlet (I think before Sunday, all of his third down catches went for first downs), but he's also 34 years old and is not going to be a primary threat at TE. Ed Dickson, or Ed Dropson, as many call him, obviously has struggled. 

Joe obviously has some pieces to work with, but they're not up to the level of players in Green Bay, New England, or Denver, that's for sure. Joe Flacco is doing all he can for the offense. 

The defense does great early in the game, but before Sunday, they had six straight terrible fourth quarters. Flacco had played his best ball in the fourth, for the most part. It's just a matter of syncing the two and getting the team win.

 

Edit: The blocking ranks actually take into account all players that block, so that actually would put the Ravens lower on the list. Eugene Monroe is the only player in green for pass blocking, while Oher, Shipley, and Gino all have grades of -10.0 or lower. In run blocking, Yanda and Monroe are both green, but the other three all have red grades of -2.0 or lower. Ray Rice actually has the worst grade on the team. Hmmm.

[RavensAllTheWay]

I think everybody is wrong here.  I don't agree with Ray's statement, considering that last year, Joe carried the defense way more than they carried him, and I don't agree that he's been "making the same mistakes" because this is only the first year he's been turning the ball over at a high rate.

 

But whether Ray has a big ego or not, he epitomized this franchise for 17 years, so I can't crucify him.

[BmoreBird22]

No, I see it too....I thought he was starting a new trend, like +35

It was meant to be just about Ray's ego, and I posted my reasons for why I disagreed. I guess it just evolved, but I wasn't going to back down if people wanted to discuss the topic

[flynismo]

It was meant to be just about Ray's ego, and I posted my reasons for why I disagreed. I guess it just evolved, but I wasn't going to back down if people wanted to discuss the topic

I like it,it's pretty catchy lol

[flynismo]

I think everybody is wrong here. I don't agree with Ray's statement, considering that last year, Joe carried the defense way more than they carried him, and I don't agree that he's been "making the same mistakes" because this is only the first year he's been turning the ball over at a high rate.

But whether Ray has a big ego or not, he epitomized this franchise for 17 years, so I can't crucify him.

To be fair, nobody is crucifing him, just saying he has a huge ego, coming off as arrogant and isnt a great broadcaster (which is somewhat surprising to me...it seems like he doesn't let his enthusiasm come through, which is one of his best traits)...now, Rolando McClain we crucified that guy lol

[BMOREHAWAII]

Exactly. If you don't like it, retire from watching the Ravens b/c it will be Ray, not Flacco that will be remembered as the face of this franchise. Hopefully, that statement doesn't ruffle to many feathers of Flacco homers,lol.

Truth. I think it's ruffled more than some feathers lol.

 

Who is making that arguement? Ray Lewis is getting a statue outside of M&T. Flacco isn't.

 

No one is saying that.

Who's making an argument? The thread is about how some people think Ray's comments about Flacco and the team is moronic. I make no argument just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own..

 

I was simply stating that when Baltimore Ravens are brought up, Ray's name will be too. Flacco homers should get used to the fact that he will never be the icon Ray is/was. Some should get used to it...  :sherlock:

[flynismo]

Truth. I think it's ruffled more than some feathers lol.

Who's making an argument? The thread is about how some people think Ray's comments about Flacco and the team is moronic. I make no argument just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own..

I was simply stating that when Baltimore Ravens are brought up, Ray's name will be too. Flacco homers should get used to it... :sherlock:

Us Flacco homers embrace the greatest player to ever wear our uniform. Don't get that mixed up

[Ed_Reed20]

Every player plays knocked up. If Yanda were truly hurt, he'd be on the report a once Harbaugh puts everything on there. Injuries are not an excuse.
In case you didn't notice, after the great playoff run last year, McKinnie, Osemele, and Oher all regressed. Definitely a Juan Castillo problem to me.

 

Did you read my post or do you so want to believe Castillo is the problem that you'll ignore the facts? Of course many players are banged up, especially late in the season. But most players don't undergo off-season surgery, miss the entire off-season program and only start practising till August. Who gives a damn about the injury report? Just because Yanda isn't on it doesn't mean he's not playing at less than a 100%. 

 

No, I didn't miss the play-off run last season. What I do know is that McKinnie and Oher have been inconsistent to downright awful at various times over the past few seasons and Osemele is now on IR. Could it be that McKinnie regressed after stringing together some good games and the back injury that knocked Osemele out for the year affected his play? Yeah, probably...

[BmoreBird22]

To be fair, nobody is crucifing him, just saying he has a huge ego, coming off as arrogant and isnt a great broadcaster (which is somewhat surprising to me...it seems like he doesn't let his enthusiasm come through, which is one of his best traits)...now, Rolando McClain we crucified that guy lol

I loved Ray the player, even when he slowed down. Never stopped defending him. I do not like Ray the commentator, and not all great players are great commentators. I think too many people are perceiving it as we hate Ray the player because we dislike Ray the commentator. Not the case.

[Fred Sanford]

It's pretty simple, Ray Lewis is the greatest player in Ravens history AND has a messianic ego.

 

Flacco is a good quarterback when the line is blocking and receivers are getting open and catching, but not as good when the pieces around him aren't performing.

 

I didn't like Flacco's primadonna pouting during the wildcat snaps last game, and I don't like Ray making these comments.  Even if they were true, and they aren't, they serve no positive purpose. 

 

Funnily enough, Kyle Boller had a better attitude than either one, it's just that a good attitude is a nice sidenote but almost irrelevant compared to performance on the field.

 

As for the D making up for Flacco's mistakes, we've been pretty balanced during the Harbaugh era.  Offense good one week, bad the next, same with the defense.  I know Flacco heard this all before as he alluded to being treated like a little boy by the defense when he was drafted, but that he felt they were not at the level of their glory days and he would have to step up.  Credit and blame are not typically shared with ease.

[BMOREHAWAII]

Us Flacco homers embrace the greatest player to ever wear our uniform. Don't get that mixed up

What?  :34853_shakehead:

[ravensdfan]

What?  :34853_shakehead:

 

 

Are you truly so wrapped up in your Flacco bashing that you don't realize he meant we embrace Ray Lewis?

[allblackraven]

Aren't we a funny bunch? Someone new here might think there are two distinct groups of Ravens fans - Ravens O and Ravens D supporters.

[BMOREHAWAII]

Are you truly so wrapped up in your Flacco bashing that you don't realize he meant we embrace Ray Lewis?

I LOVE Flacco, just look at my avatar. How was i bashing him?

 

And I know you embrace Ray, like it or not. He will be immortalized outside M&T for the rest of time...Bow down to greatness  :bowdownsmiley:

 

Besides, im simply in agreement with Ray's comments on Flacco and the team. Flacco is systematic and 100 mil to someone who is a product of the system isn't worth that price. 

[BMOREHAWAII]

Aren't we a funny bunch? Someone new here might think there are two distinct groups of Ravens fans - Ravens O and Ravens D supporters.

You can put me in the "team" category. I love the players on offense/defense/special teams. Not a huge fan of Flacco and Harbaugh.....

 

There I said it, let the bashing commence