What Do You Think of Ray Lewis's Comments?

[BmoreBird22]

Ray Lewis played like a HOF for a decade before ngata ever stepped in. A decade. He won dpoy in 2000 & 2003 so his 'prime' was his earlier years.
I think you are overlooking way too much of what ray has done. The only year to really see his decline was last year, and you can argue it couldve been his torn arm.

He still had Goose and Sam Adams early on.

[Ed_Reed20]

As far as I know, Yanda is off the injury list, and I'm not sure if he ever was on it. Clearly it's not an injury since Harbaugh puts on EVERY small injury. I will agree that making the line calls may hurt, but they are paid to play, not make excuses.

 

Just because Yanda isn't on the injury report doesn't mean he's not hobbled. He had off-season shoulder surgery and reportedly didn't lift all off-season. He didn't practice all off-season till August. He's played too well since '08 to suddenly be as inconsistent as he's been this season. He's not at 100%. 

[BmoreBird22]

My man, that has been stated many times and SHOULD be common sense....but you know what they say about common sense.

He just summed up my entire post in a few words. That's not even to mention that the defenses were decent at the very worst.

[BmoreBird22]

Not to disagree, but I remember one year the Pats had like the 27th best running attack and still won.  They ran it well in the playoffs, if memory serves correct.  I can't recall correctly because it's been so long.

I'm not entirely sure either, but I know that Brady had the 1st, 2nd, and 6th ranked defenses in terms of PPG allowed when he won.

[berad]

when has Flacco every looked like Montana reiencarnated?

 

that's funny :point:

 

Looked like it when he tore the Colts to shreds then went on to do it the rest of the playoffs and break/tie/set NFL records

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Flacco#NFL_records

[flynismo]

when has Flacco every looked like Montana reiencarnated?

that's funny :point:

Once again, you would say that. Denial is very unbecoming

[BmoreBird22]

Just because Yanda isn't on the injury report doesn't mean he's not hobbled. He had off-season shoulder surgery and reportedly didn't lift all off-season. He didn't practice all off-season till August. He's played too well since '08 to suddenly be as inconsistent as he's been this season. He's not at 100%.

Every player plays knocked up. If Yanda were truly hurt, he'd be on the report a once Harbaugh puts everything on there. Injuries are not an excuse.
In case you didn't notice, after the great playoff run last year, McKinnie, Osemele, and Oher all regressed. Definitely a Juan Castillo problem to me.

[flynismo]

Looked like it when he tore the Colts to shreds then went on to do it the rest of the playoffs and break/tie/set NFL records

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Flacco#NFL_records

I wonder who's record he tied?

[redrum52]

You must have missed his last four postseason games.

So when a kicker makes a tackle they look like Ray Lewis?  Joe Flacco jukes someone he's Barry Sanders?  Come on people.  First, Montana did what he did in 3 games.  Great stretch, played well, but like Montana?  NO

[berad]

I wonder who's record he tied?

 

Some skinny dude who played on the West Coast. Jim Colorado, I think.

[flynismo]

Every quarterback is a "system" guy. They all need the correct play style and system to succeed. Joe likes the vertical offense, Luck likes the west coast, etc. It's nothing new, but people don't get that and they think Manning and Brady are above a "system".

Yep. Maybe some day they will understand that. Not holding my breath...

[BMOREHAWAII]

Seems like the same o' Flaccopogist up in arms again.    

Im just laughing @ how ridiculous Flacco homers will remember when its all said and done.  Ray Lewis helped build this franchise into what it is now.   A sure 1st ballot HOF.   No one can doubt what he has done for this town for football.   Go ahead and insult the guy just so you can serve your fandom of being a Flacco fan.  

 

One thing about Ray is that he always spoke the truth.  No sugar coating or anything.  He was a professional as a football player, and now he is a professional as an analyst.   If you can't take the heat, just shut up and keep your mouth shut.   Don't insult Ray just b/c you got your feelings hurt being told Flacco isn't doing well.

I agree with you 100%

 

Just like Mike Singletary/Walter Payton is to the Bears, Jerry Rice/Joe Montana is to the 9ers, Ray Lewis is and always will be the icon of the Baltimore Ravens. Even 5-10 years from now his name will be brought up when speaking of the Ravens. Flacco will never be remembered in that term.

 

Ray is a leader and always will be a leader. As long as he is involved in any type of football activity expect to hear his name. Either get used to it or get away from it..

[flynismo]

Some skinny dude who played on the West Coast. Jim Colorado, I think.

Must be. I knew you wouldn't say something silly like he matched Joe Montana's performance

[flynismo]

So when a kicker makes a tackle they look like Ray Lewis? Joe Flacco jukes someone he's Barry Sanders? Come on people. First, Montana did what he did in 3 games. Great stretch, played well, but like Montana? NO

I agree, he didn't look like Montana. He didn't have Jerry Rice to "bail him out"

[BmoreBird22]

Some skinny dude who played on the West Coast. Jim Colorado, I think.

Hilarious. Best comment of the day

[wayne]

dang alot of ray lewis bashing here lol

alot of closet steelers fans it seems.

 

a couple of facts:

yes the ravens ranked 17 last year in total defense but they where 12th in points given up and 2nd in redzone defense.

yes they gave up alot of yards but they allowed 21.5 points per game.

 

yardage wise they where bad but with points given up they where alot better and when it came down to redzone defense they where 1 of the best.

 

now dont even bring up the play offs.

they shut out brady the entire 2nd half which is impressive.(#1 offense  in points scored last season)

they limited the top offense to 21 points and forced 2 critical turnovers with 1 adding 7 points to the board against the (#2 ranked offense in points scored)

Now for the SB i see alot of people bringing up that the defense almost gave the game away in the 2nd half.

yet some fail to remember the offense fumbling the ball away on 1 drivr and the ravens offense only managing 2 FGs in the whole half.

Im not sure how you can put full blame on the defense lol.

They only started giving up yards on the ground after ngata went out ( yet some think he is replaceble)

 

Also the defense cant stop anyone late in a game if they are on the field all the freakin time after a 3 and out.

Again this season the ravens is #1 in redzone defense and #7 in points given up.

 

Stop blaiming the defense.

Everyone knows if a offense constantly goes 3 and out or turn the ball over giving the offense a short field, of course it will make any D look bad.

 

Ray is completely right.  But some fans will continue to put blind faith in Flacco, hoping that he becomes something he is not.

 

Exactly. Thing about it is Flacco can be who he is, he doesn't have to be an elite QB , he can be a good game managing QB . Maybe that5's why our O is struggling b/c they trying to use Flacco in a incorrect way like he's Tom Brady or someone.

Yea, cause this offense is known for it's high scoring ability.

 

So let me ask you a question, what do you consider a good job by the offense and what would you consider a bad job by the defense?  No one said either side had to play perfect, but I would bet if we went drive for drive, the defense puts the offense in better spots than the offense puts the defense.  Now people seem to want to give all the credit to the offense cause they finally kept their end of the bargain by DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSE TO.

 

Defense allowed 9 points against the Colts. 21 against the Broncos, scoring 6 and getting the ball back in range for another 3 to win the game, then allowed 13 to the Patriots, shutting them out for a half.  They fell apart during the second half of the SB, but so did the offense, and lets not forget who kept the Niners from scoring to take the lead.

 

Then you claim we probably held TOP.  TOP means nothing without points.  Maintaining drives is worthless if you can't finish the job or make it count.

 

It's pointless even trying to debate with blind Flacco homers.  Let's also mention that the run game was kind of efficient for the playoff run as well, as was the blocking, but now the o-line won't get credit, even with Rice trying to fumble away the teams hopes.  

 

As far as numbers as well, people who like to keep saying our 17th ranked defense was the problem, how about you go see where the offense was ranked last year.  Let me assist you, 16th.  Now, check where the defense is ranked this year and where the offense is, I'll wait.

 

Exactly, where is the offense ranked? Last year and this year?

Absolutely!!!!  I laugh how some throw out SB MVP like it's a career ascending accomplishment. The SB is littered with marginal to decent players that won the MVP.  The facts are facts.. What has he done to build on that besides get paid??? Nothing...

 

The same group that are here whining he has no weapons are the same that were saying Flacco was going to turn it on his his sixth year.   Now all we hear is more excuses for the same play or worse than we've witnessed over the first five years.   Flacco has a strong arm and physical toughness but has too many weaknesses in his game to ever reward the Ravens in future seasons for the faith and money invested in him.

 

His completion PCT. on deep balls is among the lowest in the game yet some cultivate the image that Flacco is  great deep ball thrower.   Um........ok

They can keep turning the blind eye to it but you know what, when they look at him play on Sundays they can't turn blind eye to that, it will keep hitting them smack in the face.

 

The defense blew 10 fourth quarter leads, so leading in TOP does matter because it n prevents the defense from doing that.
The Colts were the only team in the playoffs with a negative point differential, did you expect them to drop 30 on the Ravens, at home?
The Broncos may have scored 21 offensively, but it could have been more had the special teams not stepped up. We don't know. What we do know is that the offense dropped over 30 points to win a game in 2 OT against the leagues fourth best defense.
The Patriots game was the most complete game of the playoffs. The defense held strong, but look at how much Joe Flacco turned it on. Something about Foxborough brings out the best in him. Joe and the offense were stellar.
The Ravens offense still put up 27, and you cannot argue that. 34 points is usually enough to win by a fair margin, but the defense did allow the 49ersto crawl back in and march all the way down the field. The only reason the defense didn't blow it is because the offense played so well.
I don't think anyone is saying the offense was always perfect, but Ray's comments were off base. Those wins were a team win.

 

Another way to look at 10 fourth quarter leads blown is to say if the offense would have put the game away, there wouldn't have been anl leads to be blown. If the offense did their job and sustained drives, possibly even scoring, wouldn't had to worry about a 4th quarter lead being blown to the D. Plus, look what I D went through last season. Ed being hurt, Ray, Suggs,Ngata, Webb..... they shouldn't have been the strength of our team anyway considering that.

 

 

 

The SB MVP honestly could've gone to either Jacoby or Joe.  Ray won the award, but no one really thought he deserved it.  Peyton also won it and most will say he didn't deserve, though Joe did put together a really good HALF of football.

 

Ray basically said what the Flacco apologists say, he needs weapons, but cause his answer wasn't sugar coated, with a cherry on top they're upset about it.

 

 

 

  No wonder you think Ray deserves so much heat - You're twisting his words ... When did he say your last sentence? People have to remove in their minds what they THINK Ray said and go back and read his quotes. What did he say that was so bad? He's paid to tell the truth and give is opinion. What he said is a perfectly reasonable opinion. Why is everybody up in arms about it?

Twisting his words like a fat kid eating pastries,lol. It's very reasonable what he said..... everyone but Flacco homers is saying the same thing including almost any expert on sports.

 

im sorry but the defense has carried this franchise since forever.

maybe thats why they get alot more credit then the offense.

 

im not sure why some of you think that the offense ans defense are on even terms here.

 

its also funny that all you can bring up the last 5 minutes of a game lol.

you do realise when we look at the WHOLE game its 9 out of 10 times the defense that shows up the most.

 

now lets break down the SB run.

 

Colts 9 points nuff said about the defense.

 

Denver: 21 points they gave up but they did score a TD and not to mention got the the crucial INT after the ravens offense failed to get in scoring position in over time.

Not to mention it was the defense that got the ball back so the offense had 1 last shot for that crucial hail mary.

Only people who look at the scoreboard are fooled into thinking the defense was terrible ............

If there is anyone to blame for the score its the special teams.

 

Patriots: the #1 scoring offense. defense gave up 13 points and forced 2 int and 1 crucial fumble.

come on give credit where credit is due.

 

SB niners: gave up 31 points.

Intresting note is that at half time the defense only gave up 6 points and dont forget the ed reed pick which lead to a failed fake FG conversion.

 

2nd half:

now 2nd half started with a jones KR and when the niners had the ball the light got cut out.

after delay the niners did get the best of the defense and put up points.

ravens then went 3 and out and bad special teams had the niners on the ravens 20. ( really want to blame the defense for this?)

ravens next drive was a rice fumble inside the ravens 30 , defense held them to a FG which was first missed but then converted after a PEN ( yeah blame the defense lol)

ravens then had a drive that ended in a FG but the niners did get big play after big play and scored quick( okay bad defense)

now do i even have to mention the niners last drive???

 

you can blame the defense for 2 bad drives after the power outage but in fairness the offense had 2 FG, an fumble and an 3 and out deep in own territory after the outage as well.

 

really the defense played alot better in 4 games then most of you are willing to admid.

 

And seriously to place a 4 game run on the same pedistal as a 17 year HOF bound career is mind blowing.

the Defense had build up more then enough credit to have a let down the the offense and no matter how anyone wants to spin it the defense has been the 1 consistent factor since the ravens where founded.

 

Also not everyone person has to agree with ray lewis but bashing a defense that defines this franchise and acting like they had nothing to do with the SB win last season is just wrong.

 

played 2 of the best QBs ever and the 2 best scoring offense and the defense limited them and forced a bunch of turnovers.

say what you want but they played great.

 

the SB the defense played great till the outage but after it they where bad but so was the offense so no idea why people put blame on them alone

most forget the last niners drive where they forced a failed 4th down lol.

 

im sorry but as great as flacco played in those 4 games, ray lewis and the defense has done it for most of the 17 seasons and they also did it in those 4 game stretch.

 

they deserve alot more credit and praise then joe flacco and the offense.

Common sense facts right here

[BmoreBird22]

I agree, he didn't look like Montana. He didn't have Jerry Rice to "bail him out"

That's one reason I prefer Young to Montana. Montana always had Rice

[redrum52]

I agree, he didn't look like Montana. He didn't have Jerry Rice to "bail him out"

The same Montana who won two without Jerry, right?

[wayne]

Well, Joe does have the bigger contract, and with that comes the expectation that he makes his weapons, but he needs a LINE

Common sense.

[redrum52]

That's one reason I prefer Young to Montana. Montana always had Rice

No he didn't.  Montana had 2 rings before Rice was drafted.  Young always had Rice and still only won once.

[The Raven]

Looked like it when he tore the Colts to shreds then went on to do it the rest of the playoffs and break/tie/set NFL records

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Flacco#NFL_records

 

Shots fired.

[Aunka_Beatmon]

ESPN is putting words in Ray's mouth and bread on his table.  It's all the same to me, made the change from teammate to media member so the lines have been drawn and Ray's not afraid to taunt that line. 

[wayne]

Not to disagree, but I remember one year the Pats had like the 27th best running attack and still won.  They ran it well in the playoffs, if memory serves correct.  I can't recall correctly because it's been so long.

 

It has been done plenty times before. A elite QB can still perform up to par with a mediocre running game, as Rodgers.

He already has.

 

Don't bash me because I second Ray Lewis opinion about Flacco. Do I expect everyone to agree on everything, no.

But I do find it funny how some Raven's fans are turning on Ray Lewis because he voiced his opinion. Everything Ray said is so true and that goes for all top QB's. They all need a good run game to help out but like some (Flacco) they need it more than others.

That's all I'm saying, Flacco needs it more.

 

I agree 100% with Ray's comments....There is nothing worse than a former player/coach turned analyst( Bill Cowher) that is a complete homer on the set.

 

Agreed. I'm glad Ray isn't saying everything positive about the Ravens b/c he's a former player, keep it real Ray.

Ray was in that lockerroom, on the practice field and in the games. I have no problem with what he said outside of the defense carrying the offense comment. That was self serving to me and irrelevant to Flaccos performance. If he said the running game carried him, I would of understood.

 

I agree. If he said something like the running game carried the team, I would be questioning Ray too.

I think most Ravens fans are just Flacco fans these days lol Ray knows more than most on this one

Lol, they not really Ravens fans but their Flacco fans,lol

[BmoreBird22]

No he didn't. Montana had 2 rings before Rice was drafted. Young always had Rice and still only won once.

You're right, my bad. I just had known that Steve Young was on the 49ers even after Jerry Rice left.
Montana got Rice in his prime, though. Young got a 31 year old Rice.

[funky141]

Looked like it when he tore the Colts to shreds then went on to do it the rest of the playoffs and break/tie/set NFL records

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Flacco#NFL_records

he didn't tear the Colts to threads that day in January. Ravens won yes but by no means "threads"

[funky141]

I agree with you 100%

 

Just like Mike Singletary/Walter Payton is to the Bears, Jerry Rice/Joe Montana is to the 9ers, Ray Lewis is and always will be the icon of the Baltimore Ravens. Even 5-10 years from now his name will be brought up when speaking of the Ravens. Flacco will never be remembered in that term.

 

Ray is a leader and always will be a leader. As long as he is involved in any type of football activity expect to hear his name. Either get used to it or get away from it..

I kinda like this....

[wayne]

when has Flacco every looked like Montana reiencarnated?

 

that's funny :point:

 

He looked like Montana for 4 games and now I guess he is the second coming of Montana? What is that doing for us NOW?

A decade from now those same people who blindly defend Flacco will be attacking him for wearing a suit and daring to answer questions about the team.

 

Agreed!

He still had Goose and Sam Adams early on.

Yea, true HOF pro bowl every year players right there, smh!

 

I wonder who's record he tied?

 

Whoop De Do. He tied Montana record so that means he will become Montana and play like him consistently throughout his career?

So when a kicker makes a tackle they look like Ray Lewis?  Joe Flacco jukes someone he's Barry Sanders?  Come on people.  First, Montana did what he did in 3 games.  Great stretch, played well, but like Montana?  NO

Exactly. Every player rather mediocre or good has put up stats or played just as good as some HOF players at some point in their careers.

[wayne]

I agree with you 100%

 

Just like Mike Singletary/Walter Payton is to the Bears, Jerry Rice/Joe Montana is to the 9ers, Ray Lewis is and always will be the icon of the Baltimore Ravens. Even 5-10 years from now his name will be brought up when speaking of the Ravens. Flacco will never be remembered in that term.

 

Ray is a leader and always will be a leader. As long as he is involved in any type of football activity expect to hear his name. Either get used to it or get away from it..

Exactly. If you don't like it, retire from watching the Ravens b/c it will be Ray, not Flacco that will be remembered as the face of this franchise. Hopefully, that statement doesn't ruffle to many feathers of Flacco homers,lol.

[BmoreBird22]

 

Everyone knows if a offense constantly goes 3 and out or turn the ball over giving the offense a short field, of course it will make any D look bad.

 

 

Exactly. Thing about it is Flacco can be who he is, he doesn't have to be an elite QB , he can be a good game managing QB . Maybe that5's why our O is struggling b/c they trying to use Flacco in a incorrect way like he's Tom Brady or someone.

 

Exactly, where is the offense ranked? Last year and this year?

They can keep turning the blind eye to it but you know what, when they look at him play on Sundays they can't turn blind eye to that, it will keep hitting them smack in the face.

 

 

Another way to look at 10 fourth quarter leads blown is to say if the offense would have put the game away, there wouldn't have been anl leads to be blown. If the offense did their job and sustained drives, possibly even scoring, wouldn't had to worry about a 4th quarter lead being blown to the D. Plus, look what I D went through last season. Ed being hurt, Ray, Suggs,Ngata, Webb..... they shouldn't have been the strength of our team anyway considering that.

 

Twisting his words like a fat kid eating pastries,lol. It's very reasonable what he said..... everyone but Flacco homers is saying the same thing including almost any expert on sports.

 

Common sense facts right here

Ah, okay time to dissect this long comment. 

The offense put up 20 or more points in 10 of its 15 games in which the starters played a full game. Of those 10 wins, the Ravens put up 30 or more points. Clearly the offense was doing plenty of scoring in those games, not going three and out plenty of games. 

As for your comment about the offense putting away games, you're REALLY stretching it there. The job of the offense is to put up points. The offense did just that, scoring at least 20 points in 67% of the games the starters played a full game in and scoring 30 or more in 33%. So, the offense did score. The job of the defense is to stop the opposing offense from scoring, no matter what the offense is doing. They failed 10 times. 

Brady has always had GREAT weapons when he put up his "elite stats" (2007 on). Joe Flacco doesn't have those pieces in place to allow him to do that. Please do not act like Brady does it all on his own.

Everything else was just too long and you're just blindly agreeing without actually adding your own commentary, so I won't reply to it. Pretty sure I have at least once elsewhere on here.

[berad]

he didn't tear the Colts to threads that day in January. Ravens won yes but by no means "threads"

 

Best QB rating of the playoffs (125.6) and 12.26 yards per pass attempt in a rout. Call it what you want, doesn't matter.