What Do You Think of Ray Lewis's Comments?

[gabefergy]

This was a lot to read so if I missed something I am sorry... but I will talk about the one thing I did read... Flacco did make a lot of those mistake throws but it wasn't the defense that bailed him out it was the WRs. Flacco followers will say that he placed the ball where only his guy could get it... but he is still making the exact throws but without WRs or tes that can out muscle or go up and get it they become ints. And yes Flacco is a system guy... he needs the offense to work for him to succeed. If the running game was working the passing game would open up more. He isn't the type of guy who can see the field and make adjustments like Brady or manning... he does have a better arm but lacks the football knowledge to change the game. Even when he does audible out most of the time the outcome doesn't get any better. He truely needs a reliable go to guy that he can rely on... right now he doesn't have it.

Here's a newsflash. Every QB is a system guy by this definition. Also every QB needs his WRs to make plays for him. Its not "bailing out the QB", its doing their job. Its even more important that WRs make those kind of plays when they struggle to get open against man coverage. If they can't make contested catches and also can't get open, they shouldn't be on the field.

[flynismo]

How about this? All of the "modern greats'  NEED a Running game to win a Bowl... Think about it.. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, even Manning.. They HAD to have a run game to get the job done. Its all in how your team is built. All I can say is, no matter what.. The best years of defense ( barring 2000 ) for the Ravens werent even enough to get them to the second round of the playoffs. Flacco stabilized the position and has done a good job of producing at a high level.

My man, that has been stated many times and SHOULD be common sense....but you know what they say about common sense.

[gabefergy]

My man, that has been stated many times and SHOULD be common sense....but you know what they say about common sense.

It makes you a Flacco apologist?

[The Raven]

I'm not debating Ray's status, in fact I am not even saying anything other than Ray had far more talent helping him than Flacco ever will, and since forever we have been known as a LB factory, since our scheme and glutton of talent made even guys like Hartwell look good, but yet he thinks Flacco is the one who is a system guy.

 

If it wasn't for guys like Ngata, Buddy Lee, and even Terrence Cody, I don't think Ray would have been effective for as long as he was. He benefited greatly from having the best DL in the NFL for so many years. I'm not saying he isn't the GOAT, because he certainly is, but having a great system and great players around him undoubtedly prolonged his career. In fact, I'd even argue that Joe Flacco and Ray Rice turning the offense around extended Ray's career. 

 

It's an unpopular opinion, but every player is a system player. 

[The Raven]

It makes you a Flacco apologist?

 

Lol!

[flynismo]

Here's a newsflash. Every QB is a system guy by this definition. Also every QB needs his WRs to make plays for him. Its not "bailing out the QB", its doing their job. Its even more important that WRs make those kind of plays when they struggle to get open against man coverage. If they can't make contested catches and also can't get open, they shouldn't be on the field.

Such simple concepts, yet seems so far out of reach for some.

it truly is comical that "Kaepernick has nobody to throw the ball to" but yet "Flacco needs to make something out of nothing".

What's the word i'm looking for....

[flynismo]

It makes you a Flacco apologist?

:D

[Ed_Reed20]

If it wasn't for guys like Ngata, Buddy Lee, and even Terrence Cody, I don't think Ray would have been effective for as long as he was. He benefited greatly from having the best DL in the NFL for so many years. I'm not saying he isn't the GOAT, because he certainly is, but having a great system and great players around him undoubtedly prolonged his career. In fact, I'd even argue that Joe Flacco and Ray Rice turning the offense around extended Ray's career. 

 

It's an unpopular opinion, but every player is a system player. 

 

Agreed. You can extend that honor to guys like Pryce, Redding and even Bart. Once he started playing a lot, Bart's primary job against the run was hammering FBs and o-line and funnelling backs to Ray. Top-notch defenders like him all made Ray's job easier and allowed him to shine well into his twilight years. 

[The Raven]

Such simple concepts, yet seems so far out of reach for some.

it truly is comical that "Kaepernick has nobody to throw the ball to" but yet "Flacco needs to make something out of nothing".

What's the word i'm looking for....

 

Well, Joe does have the bigger contract, and with that comes the expectation that he makes his weapons, but he needs a LINE

[flynismo]

If it wasn't for guys like Ngata, Buddy Lee, and even Terrence Cody, I don't think Ray would have been effective for as long as he was. He benefited greatly from having the best DL in the NFL for so many years. I'm not saying he isn't the GOAT, because he certainly is, but having a great system and great players around him undoubtedly prolonged his career. In fact, I'd even argue that Joe Flacco and Ray Rice turning the offense around extended Ray's career.

It's an unpopular opinion, but every player is a system player.

thing is, when people don't understand what a team sport is, they don't realize that guys like Ray would never have lived up to their potential without a strong supporting cast. That isn't some kind of backhanded slap to Ray, it is a fact of life.
It is the same with Flacco. He will never live up to his potential if we do not stop sabotaging him by giving him nothing to work with.
Ray knows this, and I guess took offense to Flaccos comments about him, so is trying to make it seem like Flacco isn't capable of being dominant unless the entire world joins together to save his butt.

[izvoodoo]

How about this? All of the "modern greats'  NEED a Running game to win a Bowl... Think about it.. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, even Manning.. They HAD to have a run game to get the job done. Its all in how your team is built. All I can say is, no matter what.. The best years of defense ( barring 2000 ) for the Ravens werent even enough to get them to the second round of the playoffs. Flacco stabilized the position and has done a good job of producing at a high level.

Not to disagree, but I remember one year the Pats had like the 27th best running attack and still won.  They ran it well in the playoffs, if memory serves correct.  I can't recall correctly because it's been so long.

[flynismo]

Well, Joe does have the bigger contract, and with that comes the expectation that he makes his weapons, but he needs a LINE

A line, a crew that does not rank in the top five in dropped passes, and how about a serviceable running game? Moreno just ran for 200 some yards and has like 800 rushing TDs this year. NE running game is looking great as well. Those guys have plenty of toys, why can't we?

[The Raven]

A line, a crew that does not rank in the top five in dropped passes, and how about a serviceable running game? Moreno just ran for 200 some yards and has like 800 rushing TDs this year. NE running game is looking great as well. Those guys have plenty of toys, why can't we?

 

Right on, and it's not like Brady is making much less than Joe. When he signed his 2010 contract, he was making 18 a year, only 2 million less than Joe. Moreover, Joe's making, what, 7 this year? Yeah, no reason we can't have toys on our offense.

[H8R]

Not to disagree, but I remember one year the Pats had like the 27th best running attack and still won.  They ran it well in the playoffs, if memory serves correct.  I can't recall correctly because it's been so long.

 

 Could be...and even still. The Kicker wins the game..

[izvoodoo]

 Could be...and even still. The Kicker wins the game..

Yeah, Those Patriot wins were really underwhelming.  Obviously one of the tremendous runs in NFL history, and they always found a way to win.  But it wasn't like San Fran and Dall when they just rolled over people.

[funky141]

You wouldn't. Talk to me after Luck has accomplished something.

He already has.

 

Don't bash me because I second Ray Lewis opinion about Flacco. Do I expect everyone to agree on everything, no.

But I do find it funny how some Raven's fans are turning on Ray Lewis because he voiced his opinion. Everything Ray said is so true and that goes for all top QB's. They all need a good run game to help out but like some (Flacco) they need it more than others.

[bpytnjr58]

I agree 100% with Ray's comments....There is nothing worse than a former player/coach turned analyst( Bill Cowher) that is a complete homer on the set.

[Alexir]

Ray was in that lockerroom, on the practice field and in the games. I have no problem with what he said outside of the defense carrying the offense comment. That was self serving to me and irrelevant to Flaccos performance. If he said the running game carried him, I would of understood.

[Alexir]

He already has.

Don't bash me because I second Ray Lewis opinion about Flacco. Do I expect everyone to agree on everything, no.
But I do find it funny how some Raven's fans are turning on Ray Lewis because he voiced his opinion. Everything Ray said is so true and that goes for all top QB's. They all need a good run game to help out but like some (Flacco) they need it more than others.

I think most Ravens fans are just Flacco fans these days lol Ray knows more than most on this one

[flynismo]

He already has.

Don't bash me because I second Ray Lewis opinion about Flacco. Do I expect everyone to agree on everything, no.
But I do find it funny how some Raven's fans are turning on Ray Lewis because he voiced his opinion. Everything Ray said is so true and that goes for all top QB's. They all need a good run game to help out but like some (Flacco) they need it more than others.

Who's bashing? Luck hasn't accomplished anything near what Flacco has, that isn't an opinion.

And Flacco doesn't need help any more than any other top QB. We saw what happens when the OL actually protects him consistently. Not like the running game was spectacular, or the defense for that matter, yet Flacco looked like Montana reincarnated.

[Tank 92]

Such simple concepts, yet seems so far out of reach for some.

it truly is comical that "Kaepernick has nobody to throw the ball to" but yet "Flacco needs to make something out of nothing".

What's the word i'm looking for....

 

contradiction?  No wait, two words.........moronic contradiction.

[funky141]

Who's bashing? Luck hasn't accomplished anything near what Flacco has, that isn't an opinion.

And Flacco doesn't need help any more than any other top QB. We saw what happens when the OL actually protects him consistently. Not like the running game was spectacular, or the defense for that matter, yet Flacco looked like Montana reincarnated.

when has Flacco every looked like Montana reiencarnated?

 

that's funny :point:

[Tatelli]

IMO I see nothing wrong with Rays statements. This team foundation has been set on a Ravens D that we have all come to know and expect. The D has for the most part set the tone for Ravens games, this is the first real year where the Ravens are trying to become a passing team. I have to say at this juncture I once again trust our D more than this O, it is a mess and IMO I think the wrong coaches are here at Baltimore....let the bashing start.

 

Joe still has no pocket awareness this is true. He knows this O line sucks but yet his rec. constantly run 15 yrd routes. Thats why the fans become so hyped when we light the middle of the field up (we seldom use the middle) so if joe knows these routes take to long why does he not change them.."hence the same song and dance" Oh thats right heard this last year as well, I get the play and it's up to us to make it work....ect ect. We see what happens when we have no run game, we count on the D to stop them all 4qrts and hope joe can pass....Joe does at this point need a more balanced O.

 

Whats Pitta going to change on his return......Not much if we don't start using the middle on a more consistant lvl and get some kind of run game going. Back on Rays comments.....He speaks from past to current....Maybe we should listen to him some.

[BloodRaven]

Not if it's speaking the truth about Flacco, sheesh!

 

A decade from now those same people who blindly defend Flacco will be attacking him for wearing a suit and daring to answer questions about the team.

[SecretAgentMan]

A decade from now those same people who blindly defend Flacco will be attacking him for wearing a suit and daring to answer questions about the team.

Flacco won't become an analyst. Not his style.

When he retires he will probably settle down lol.


And go back to being the most dull and boring person on the planet

[BmoreBird22]

Not at all........Yanda is hurt plus he has to do Gino's job by calling out Fronts for him.

As far as I know, Yanda is off the injury list, and I'm not sure if he ever was on it. Clearly it's not an injury since Harbaugh puts on EVERY small injury. I will agree that making the line calls may hurt, but they are paid to play, not make excuses.

[BmoreBird22]

No more of a system guy than Luck is.

Every quarterback is a "system" guy. They all need the correct play style and system to succeed. Joe likes the vertical offense, Luck likes the west coast, etc. It's nothing new, but people don't get that and they think Manning and Brady are above a "system".

[ROH522155]

when has Flacco every looked like Montana reiencarnated?

 

that's funny :point:

 

You must have missed his last four postseason games.

[BmoreBird22]

This was a lot to read so if I missed something I am sorry... but I will talk about the one thing I did read... Flacco did make a lot of those mistake throws but it wasn't the defense that bailed him out it was the WRs. Flacco followers will say that he placed the ball where only his guy could get it... but he is still making the exact throws but without WRs or tes that can out muscle or go up and get it they become ints. And yes Flacco is a system guy... he needs the offense to work for him to succeed. If the running game was working the passing game would open up more. He isn't the type of guy who can see the field and make adjustments like Brady or manning... he does have a better arm but lacks the football knowledge to change the game. Even when he does audible out most of the time the outcome doesn't get any better. He truely needs a reliable go to guy that he can rely on... right now he doesn't have it.

All quarterbacks need the go to guy. Brady has Gronkowski and Manning has Demaryius Thomas. Brees has Graham and Rodgers has Nelson. It's a fact that they need it.
But you raise an interesting point. Those were good throws in the past, but he did need that big receiver who was physical. Is it possible that he's just doing what he had known, but without that big guy, he's struggling. Interesting and good point.

[BmoreBird22]

This was a lot to read so if I missed something I am sorry... but I will talk about the one thing I did read... Flacco did make a lot of those mistake throws but it wasn't the defense that bailed him out it was the WRs. Flacco followers will say that he placed the ball where only his guy could get it... but he is still making the exact throws but without WRs or tes that can out muscle or go up and get it they become ints. And yes Flacco is a system guy... he needs the offense to work for him to succeed. If the running game was working the passing game would open up more. He isn't the type of guy who can see the field and make adjustments like Brady or manning... he does have a better arm but lacks the football knowledge to change the game. Even when he does audible out most of the time the outcome doesn't get any better. He truely needs a reliable go to guy that he can rely on... right now he doesn't have it.

All quarterbacks need the go to guy. Brady has Gronkowski and Manning has Demaryius Thomas. Brees has Graham and Rodgers has Nelson. It's a fact that they need it.
But you raise an interesting point. Those were good throws in the past, but he did need that big receiver who was physical. Is it possible that he's just doing what he had known, but without that big guy, he's struggling. Interesting and good point.