Chances Jacoby Jones is back next year?

[gabefergy]

So why isn't David Reed still on the Team? For the same reason Doss will be gone after the season. They both are unreliable as a KR or WR and they have low football IQs.

Think what you want, but Jones is a prime example of a "dog learning new tricks" and he will continue to improve as WR. It would seem that's apparent to everyone but you.

Injuries, lack of ability at WR, the fact that we had Jones...its not that hard to figure out. Jones benefits from a great ST unit, that can't be denied.

As far as his ability at WR, I doubt he can become anything more than a #3. He doesn't get open consistently and he's not a great pass-catcher.

I'm not going to deny he has value, but compared to the other places we can allocate resources the likely contract Jones will want seems out of our price range. You can disagree all you want, but I'm just seeing it logically. There was debate about who was more important, Jones or Pitta. The fact that people actually think Jones is more valuable tells me all I need to know about what "everyone else" thinks.

Bottomline is Jones is replaceable. I'd like to have him back, but there is only so much you can invest in a 3rd/4th WR especially when we have a real WR like Torrey whose contract is about to come up.

[1/28/01]

I do see it. I also see that he plays in a great system and is not worth breaking the bank for.

Not worth breaking the bank...few are. BUT certainly worthy of a decent 2-3 year contract.

[1/28/01]

Injuries, lack of ability at WR, the fact that we had Jones...its not that hard to figure out. Jones benefits from a great ST unit, that can't be denied.

As far as his ability at WR, I doubt he can become anything more than a #3. He doesn't get open consistently and he's not a great pass-catcher.

I'm not going to deny he has value, but compared to the other places we can allocate resources the likely contract Jones will want seems out of our price range. You can disagree all you want, but I'm just seeing it logically. There was debate about who was more important, Jones or Pitta. The fact that people actually think Jones is more valuable tells me all I need to know about what "everyone else" thinks.

Bottomline is Jones is replaceable. I'd like to have him back, but there is only so much you can invest in a 3rd/4th WR especially when we have a real WR like Torrey whose contract is about to come up.

You're still saying he cant get open, is a 3rd/4th and it not a good pass-catcher? Looking at his play THIS year, you still say all that? Yowzer!

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Not worth breaking the bank...few are. BUT certainly worthy of a decent 2-3 year contract.

It depends on the cost. 2-3 years at 3.5-4M is a lot of money to pay a 3rd/4th WR. We are going to be up against the cap for the forseeable future, and personally I see better ways to allocate that money.

[1/28/01]

It depends on the cost. 2-3 years at 3.5-4M is a lot of money to pay a 3rd/4th WR. We are going to be up against the cap for the forseeable future, and personally I see better ways to allocate that money.

I agree if he was just a 3rd/4th....but clearly we're not agreeing on what he brings to the field every game.

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You're still saying he cant get open, is a 3rd/4th and it not a good pass-catcher? Looking at his play THIS year, you still say all that? Yowzer!

Yeah, I guess it is because I actually do watch him play. You can't possibly think he is consistently getting open. His 35 catches for 433 yards and 2 TDs are that impressive?

[1/28/01]

Yeah, I guess it is because I actually do watch him play. You can't possibly think he is consistently getting open. His 35 catches for 433 yards and 2 TDs are that impressive?

Right...he wasnt hurt earlier in the year and his KR/PR performances are just eeehhh.

[gabefergy]

I agree if he was just a 3rd/4th....but clearly we're not agreeing on what he brings to the field every game.

He plays about 2/3 of the snaps on offense and is averaging 3.5 catches for 40 yards per game. You think that is what a #2 WR should be putting up in an offense that is averaging 41 dropbacks per game?

[gabefergy]

Right...he wasnt hurt earlier in the year and his KR/PR performances are just eeehhh.

His value comes almost entirely from his KRs. That's a fact, and I sincerely believe any good KR could put up similar production with our ST unit.

[The Raven]

Yeah, I guess it is because I actually do watch him play. You can't possibly think he is consistently getting open. His 35 catches for 433 yards and 2 TDs are that impressive?

 

Well, considering he missed nearly half the season and considering the OL woes, 35 for 433 is certainly not unimpressive.

[1/28/01]

He plays about 2/3 of the snaps on offense and is averaging 3.5 catches for 40 yards per game. You think that is what a #2 WR should be putting up in an offense that is averaging 41 dropbacks per game?

Nope. Didnt say any of that. BUT that is 56 receptions for 640 yards in a 16 game season PLUS what he brngs as a KR/PR. However, you think guys like Doss and Reed can match what he does there, so this is sorta pointless.

[1/28/01]

His value comes almost entirely from his KRs. That's a fact, and I sincerely believe any good KR could put up similar production with our ST unit.

Almost entirely? His play as a WR won us a SB last year and kept us in a few games this year. Honestly, do you just dislike the dude?

[gabefergy]

Well, considering he missed nearly half the season and considering the OL woes, 35 for 433 is certainly not unimpressive.

Look at his per game performance then. He's played in 10 games, 9 where he was essentially at full health so if you look at just those 9 games it's not #2 production any way you slice it. He has topped 4 receptions once all season against Detroit. If he was a consistent WR, you think I am having this conversation? 

[1/28/01]

Look at his per game performance then. He's played in 10 games, 9 where he was essentially at full health so if you look at just those 9 games it's not #2 production any way you slice it. He has topped 4 receptions once all season against Detroit. If he was a consistent WR, you think I am having this conversation?

If he was JUST a WR I would agree. But again, he's not.

[gabefergy]

Almost entirely? His play as a WR won us a SB last year and kept us in a few games this year. Honestly, do you just dislike the dude?

No, not at all. You are just blinded by the big plays. Sure he has that potential to make big plays, but he has a much higher probability to go out there and do very little on offense. 

[gabefergy]

If he was JUST a WR I would agree. But again, he's not.

But he wants to get paid like one.

[The Raven]

Look at his per game performance then. He's played in 10 games, 9 where he was essentially at full health so if you look at just those 9 games it's not #2 production any way you slice it. He has topped 4 receptions once all season against Detroit. If he was a consistent WR, you think I am having this conversation? 

 

Never said he was consistent or a #2. He's a great #3 though, and he'll be back at the right price.

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Nope. Didnt say any of that. BUT that is 56 receptions for 640 yards in a 16 game season PLUS what he brngs as a KR/PR. However, you think guys like Doss and Reed can match what he does there, so this is sorta pointless.

Doss and Reed can and have matched what he has done on ST. That's fact. And they get paid 1/4 of what Jones does.

[gabefergy]

Never said he was consistent or a #2. He's a great #3 though, and he'll be back at the right price.

I'm fine with the "right price". It's tough to think he will come back for less then he is making now though, which I don't really think is a price that works given our salary cap.

[1/28/01]

Doss and Reed can and have matched what he has done on ST. That's fact. And they get paid 1/4 of what Jones does.

Thats opinion. They havent done it with the consistency that Jones has, but whatever. You say Im blinded by the big play and I say you're blinded by some sorta hatred for the dude. I never said break the bank, never said he is a nasty #2 or half of what you've stated. I dont think he's gonna ask for a ton, given his age, but I have nothing to back that up or stamp it as fact.

He'll be back (IMO) and I love that he will be!!!

[gabefergy]

Thats opinion. They havent done it with the consistency that Jones has, but whatever. You say Im blinded by the big play and I say you're blinded by some sorta hatred for the dude. I never said break the bank, never said he is a nasty #2 or half of what you've stated. I dont think he's gonna ask for a ton, given his age, but I have nothing to back that up or stamp it as fact.

He'll be back (IMO) and I love that he will be!!!

I don't get why you think I hate him, nothing could be further from the truth. I just don't think we can re-sign him unless he is willing to play for less then he is making now. Maybe he will want to stay here and take a reasonable deal. I hope that happens.

[The Raven]

Thats opinion. They havent done it with the consistency that Jones has, but whatever. You say Im blinded by the big play and I say you're blinded by some sorta hatred for the dude. I never said break the bank, never said he is a nasty #2 or half of what you've stated. I dont think he's gonna ask for a ton, given his age, but I have nothing to back that up or stamp it as fact.

He'll be back (IMO) and I love that he will be!!!

 

Word. 

[T3hRaven]

Doss and Reed can and have matched what he has done on ST. That's fact. And they get paid 1/4 of what Jones does.

 

On punt returns this season, you could make that argument.  Doss' average return is higher than Jacoby's and he does have the TD to go with it.  All three of the guys who have done KR's for us are very similar in average, but Jacoby wasn't really healthy for some of those.  DT has problems staying on the field, or at least it seems that way.  I'm not sure I would say he's a better return man than Jacoby, but the numbers do support your argument.

 

Regardless of who's better than who, I think we'll be able to find someone to do an adequate job.

[gabefergy]

On punt returns this season, you could make that argument.  Doss' average return is higher than Jacoby's and he does have the TD to go with it.  All three of the guys who have done KR's for us are very similar in average, but Jacoby wasn't really healthy for some of those.  DT has problems staying on the field, or at least it seems that way.  I'm not sure I would say he's a better return man than Jacoby, but the numbers do support your argument.

 

Regardless of who's better than who, I think we'll be able to find someone to do an adequate job.

That's all I am saying. Jones imo, is one of the best KR in the league. I'm not denying that, but I also think he benefits greatly from a really good ST unit. We have seen a lot of guys come through here in the past couple years and make big ST plays. 

 

If we let Jones walk and draft a guy like Marqise Lee or Odell Beckham, I tihnk either could step right in and replicate Jones prodction as a KR and be a much much greater asset on offense.

[Tank 92]

Doss and Reed can and have matched what he has done on ST. That's fact. And they get paid 1/4 of what Jones does.

 

 

And anyone and everyone either cringed or turned their back every time either one of them was moving under the ball.  They are "C" football players at best no matter what their #s look like. That's fact. 

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And anyone and everyone either cringed or turned their back every time either one of them was moving under the ball.  They are "C" football players at best no matter what their #s look like. That's fact. 

Nope, that's your opinion. The stats say something else. Maybe you forgot all the times Jones has muffed/juggled punts in the past? He was taken out of the PR duties last year at times because of it.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Don't Make This A Headline Next Year...

Jacoby Jones is back next year in Purple and Black. Unfortunately, although playing a major role in 2 Consecutive Super Bowl runs and adopting Baltimore as his 2nd hometown the fans are still asking for a trade for an unproven draft pick. Amazing.

[gabefergy]

Don't Make This A Headline Next Year...

Jacoby Jones is back next year in Purple and Black. Unfortunately, although playing a major role in 2 Consecutive Super Bowl runs and adopting Baltimore as his 2nd hometown the fans are still asking for a trade for an unproven draft pick. Amazing.

Ever heard of the salary cap? Didnt think so.

[Ravenslifer]

I just keep reminding myself that last year, everyone said because both Kruger and Ellerbe had basically one season of production, they'd be easy resigns.  Instead some team shelled out WAY more than either of them were worth.  Jacoby is a better player than either could hope to be - I want him back badly, but he's a number 3 receiver/return specialist, and I know some team is going to throw starter's money at him, and that team won't be us.  It will come down to whether he values being a Raven over making more money.

[Tank 92]

Nope, that's your opinion. The stats say something else. Maybe you forgot all the times Jones has muffed/juggled punts in the past? He was taken out of the PR duties last year at times because of it.

 

 

.........and apparently the opinion of the folks that cut D. Reed and that will soon cut Doss, again. That would lead me to believe that it may be factual.