Chances Jacoby Jones is back next year?

[The Raven]

Did any one see the Vikings game ?

 

Nah, who'd they play?

[rmw10]

I doubt he is back , there is a reason he has been a career backup and somebody will overpay for him , hopefully .

 

Ihedigbo has done well here and that's all that matters.  No team is going to overpay for him.  We really like him.  I expect that he's back.  He won't break the bank.  The FS class in the draft and free agency is very weak.  I fully expect Elam to remain at FS and Ihedigbo to remain at SS.

 

It's not like it's an either or choice.  If we want someone like Jacoby back, it's going to be Jacoby and Ihedigbo, not Jacoby or Ihedigbo.  He'll be cheap enough to where he won't force our hand.

[redlobster]

Ihedigbo has done well here and that's all that matters. No team is going to overpay for him. We really like him. I expect that he's back. He won't break the bank. The FS class in the draft and free agency is very weak. I fully expect Elam to remain at FS and Ihedigbo to remain at SS.

It's not like it's an either or choice. If we want someone like Jacoby back, it's going to be Jacoby and Ihedigbo, not Jacoby or Ihedigbo. He'll be cheap enough to where he won't force our hand.

You don't think another team with more cap wouldn't just offer him a better deal ? Isn't cincy in desperate need of better safeties and has tons of cap space? This team needs fresh talent infusions not retreads that force your 1st round pick to play out of position

[rmw10]

You don't think another team with more cap wouldn't just offer him a better deal ? Isn't cincy in desperate need of better safeties and has tons of cap space? This team needs fresh talent infusions not retreads that force your 1st round pick to play out of position

No I don't. He's done well, but he's not going to get much of anything on the open market. Guys like him are available all the time.

As much as id like to move Elam over, what other option do we have? There are virtually no FS worthy of starting either in the draft (unless you pick one high) or in FA. Ihedigbo controls the secondary. He makes the calls and gets everyone in position. He's a very good leader as well. They aren't going to let him walk for the minimal amount of money that he'll cost.

[redlobster]

No I don't. He's done well, but he's not going to get much of anything on the open market. Guys like him are available all the time.

As much as id like to move Elam over, what other option do we have? There are virtually no FS worthy of starting either in the draft (unless you pick one high) or in FA. Ihedigbo controls the secondary. He makes the calls and gets everyone in position. He's a very good leader as well. They aren't going to let him walk for the minimal amount of money that he'll cost.

I see somebody like Kendrick Lewis getting signed to play fs and letting Elam play ss

[rmw10]

I see somebody like Kendrick Lewis getting signed to play fs and letting Elam play ss

I thought about Lewis, but I don't see KC letting him go.

[Speed Kills]

Look Monroe is 1st priority, but after that I mean I put Jacoby on the same level as Pitta currently. I wanna see how Pitta finishes out this season first and let him show me he can be Joe's go to number 1. The thing about Pitta and Torrey Smith for that matter is AT THIS POINT neither can take over a game and really be a game breaker. They are both good, neither are great. Unfortunately this team doesn't appear to have a GREAT player at a skill position, a Megatron or AP if you will that is a boss every single game and who defenses really can't shut down every single game. Jacoby Jones is the closest thing to that that we have. The dude is a game breaker and does it more consistently than anyone else on the roster we have and that is valuable even if it only comes mostly through returns

[PolishRifle]

Look Monroe is 1st priority, but after that I mean I put Jacoby on the same level as Pitta currently. I wanna see how Pitta finishes out this season first and let him show me he can be Joe's go to number 1. The thing about Pitta and Torrey Smith for that matter is AT THIS POINT neither can take over a game and really be a game breaker. They are both good, neither are great. Unfortunately this team doesn't appear to have a GREAT player at a skill position, a Megatron or AP if you will that is a boss every single game and who defenses really can't shut down every single game. Jacoby Jones is the closest thing to that that we have. The dude is a game breaker and does it more consistently than anyone else on the roster we have and that is valuable even if it only comes mostly through returns

 

I take a good WR and TE over a great Kick Returner. Jacobys biggest asset is a play that happens once or twice a season (one, that we have seen Doss being capable of). I'd take consistently great offense over great special teams ANY TIME.

 

I want the Ravens to sign Monroe and Pitta at the very least. Even if it costs us Jones.

[flynismo]

I hope we keep him, he has the big play ability that we don't seem to get much on offense.

Exactly right.....how'd that song go? Not always there when you call, but always on time? That's JJ.

[CalvinSmoke]

There isn't a receiver under #2 on the depth chart that is worth keeping over Jacoby. Not Doss, not Deonte, not Mellard, not Stokely. No reason to let him go.

 

And there is not a kick/punt returner that we should keep over Jacoby. Enough of this potential crap, if they don't show the ability to do it than there is no reason to believe that they can. 

[HaX]

He's actually 5th on the team behind Torrey, Rice, Dallas Clark, and Marlon.

ah, I heard seriously wrong then, LOL

[DefensiveMind]

As a receiver, ill be the first to admit Jacoby's game needs a lot of work, but his value to this team as a returner, spark plug is irreplaceable.  Hopefully we can come up with a deal thats fair for both sides and we can keep him around for a couple more years.

[TonyTone1192]

If our offense can play consistently well then I'm all up for letting him go.

But we have yet to look like a well oiled machine! Jacoby not only scores for us in the special teams department, but he seems to have a knack for doing it either in clutch moments or moments where our offense is struggling.

He is a necessity. He(and our ST's unit) accounted for 2 wins last year, 2 more losses and no superbowl run.
Before we had Jones our return game was awful at best, let's not forget that! 

[The Raven]

There isn't a receiver under #2 on the depth chart that is worth keeping over Jacoby. Not Doss, not Deonte, not Mellard, not Stokely. No reason to let him go.

 

And there is not a kick/punt returner that we should keep over Jacoby. Enough of this potential crap, if they don't show the ability to do it than there is no reason to believe that they can. 

 

By that same logic, Jimmy Smith shouldn't be balling out right now.

 

Deonte and Doss have both shown big flashes of being able to return punts and kicks. I'd rather have Jacoby back there, but if he prices himself out of Baltimore, we're going with those guys. Same goes for WR. We've had a few guys make flashes there. Ozzie basically builds and maneuvers this team based on the potential of young players, and this will be no different. If he thinks Jacoby can be replaced by the "next man up," Ozzie will be less willing to pay him what he want. 

[Speed Kills]

I take a good WR and TE over a great Kick Returner. Jacobys biggest asset is a play that happens once or twice a season (one, that we have seen Doss being capable of). I'd take consistently great offense over great special teams ANY TIME.

 

I want the Ravens to sign Monroe and Pitta at the very least. Even if it costs us Jones.

Once or twice a season on special teams and also a few times as a deep threat receiver. You are seriously underselling his big play ability. Tandon Doss is an absolute bum who couldn't catch the plague if he lived in the Late Middle Ages. Hopefully this guy is off the roster next year and the closest he should ever get to the NFL ever again is an NFL all access pass from the comfort of his couch. Tandon Doss haha get out of here with that man.

 

Also Pitta is good, but do you really wanna pay top $$$ to a guy whos best season accumulated less than 670 yards receiving?? I like him and want him back, but if he wants a ton of money I would rather pay to keep Jacoby and take either the TE from Washington or UNC in the first round next year since both of them are great and can probably give around the same production if not better. That also gives a little additional money to sign someone else we may want too since Jacoby would definitely cost less than Pitta.

[PolishRifle]

Once or twice a season on special teams and also a few times as a deep threat receiver. You are seriously underselling his big play ability. Tandon Doss is an absolute bum who couldn't catch the plague if he lived in the Late Middle Ages. Hopefully this guy is off the roster next year and the closest he should ever get to the NFL ever again is an NFL all access pass from the comfort of his couch. Tandon Doss haha get out of here with that man.

 

Also Pitta is good, but do you really wanna pay top $$$ to a guy whos best season accumulated less than 670 yards receiving?? I like him and want him back, but if he wants a ton of money I would rather pay to keep Jacoby and take either the TE from Washington or UNC in the first round next year since both of them are great and can probably give around the same production if not better. That also gives a little additional money to sign someone else we may want too since Jacoby would definitely cost less than Pitta.

 

We didn't have a redzone offense and Flacco had no reliable receivers on 3rd down without PItta. 

Jacoby is a great Kick Returner, that's it. He is still unreliable at catching the ball and is not a viable option as the 2nd receiver in an offense opposite of Torrey (You know that, if you have seen the game against the Vikings). He already failed to be that in Houston opposite of Andre Johnson (And Torrey is not Andre Johnson).

 

Jacoby is a good #3 WR and a great kick returner. But, we would be just fine with Marlon Brown and Doss filling in those roles respectively. I would NOT take him over Pitta. I hope we can sign Jacoby to return kicks for us, but Pitta is the best receiver we had in a while (You must've seen him play and the impact he has on the passing game) and you don't lose guys like that, you sign them.

[Speed Kills]

We didn't have a redzone offense and Flacco had no reliable receivers on 3rd down without PItta. 

Jacoby is a great Kick Returner, that's it. He is still unreliable at catching the ball and is not a viable option as the 2nd receiver in an offense opposite of Torrey (You know that, if you have seen the game against the Vikings). He already failed to be that in Houston opposite of Andre Johnson (And Torrey is not Andre Johnson).

 

Jacoby is a good #3 WR and a great kick returner. But, we would be just fine with Marlon Brown and Doss filling in those roles respectively. I would NOT take him over Pitta. I hope we can sign Jacoby to return kicks for us, but Pitta is the best receiver we had in a while (You must've seen him play and the impact he has on the passing game) and you don't lose guys like that, you sign them.

I mean he is good, but the salary cap forces you to make hard choices. Pitta IS NOT a game breaker or a game changer. Jacoby is. I think we could replace Pitta's production through the draft instead of shelling out cash in the ballpark of what the Pats paid Hernandez or the Jaguars paid Mercedes Lewis a few years ago. I want Pitta back bad, but I will be pissed if we pay him on par with the best TE's in the league because that is too much for him. Same thing goes for Torrey Smith for that matter, he ain't worth Mike Wallace $$$, neither is Mike Wallace.

[CalvinSmoke]

By that same logic, Jimmy Smith shouldn't be balling out right now.

This is where we disagree, Jimmy Smith showed us that he is best when he is physical in his first year, I even remember him getting two interception in almost back to back games. It was the mental game that was getting him but he showed us that he can play on this level. 

 

That's different. Marlon Brown has shown us what he can do, that's something to build on. For the most part these other guys have not.

[jazz1988]

I mean he is good, but the salary cap forces you to make hard choices. Pitta IS NOT a game breaker or a game changer. Jacoby is. I think we could replace Pitta's production through the draft instead of shelling out cash in the ballpark of what the Pats paid Hernandez or the Jaguars paid Mercedes Lewis a few years ago. I want Pitta back bad, but I will be pissed if we pay him on par with the best TE's in the league because that is too much for him. Same thing goes for Torrey Smith for that matter, he ain't worth Mike Wallace $$$, neither is Mike Wallace.

 

Im sorry but you must be out your mind if you don't think Pitta is  a game changer.  I can't believe Pitta and Jones is even up for debate.  

[FlocksGottaFeed]

As a receiver, ill be the first to admit Jacoby's game needs a lot of work, but his value to this team as a returner, spark plug is irreplaceable.  Hopefully we can come up with a deal thats fair for both sides and we can keep him around for a couple more years.

Agreed. I think it's very possible to secure Pitta, Jacoby and Monroe next season. We've got room to do so and a front office that can manage it. Found a good explanation.

 

southpaw2k says:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/09/dennis-pitta-remarkable-to-be-back-in-lineup/

[SuggsBarber]

I mean he is good, but the salary cap forces you to make hard choices. Pitta IS NOT a game breaker or a game changer. Jacoby is. I think we could replace Pitta's production through the draft instead of shelling out cash in the ballpark of what the Pats paid Hernandez or the Jaguars paid Mercedes Lewis a few years ago. I want Pitta back bad, but I will be pissed if we pay him on par with the best TE's in the league because that is too much for him. Same thing goes for Torrey Smith for that matter, he ain't worth Mike Wallace $$$, neither is Mike Wallace.

Exactly. Pittas' a good security blanket for Joe, but Gronkowski or Graham he is not.Jacoby right now is our best game changer. Even moreso then Torrie.

[PolishRifle]

Agreed. I think it's very possible to secure Pitta, Jacoby and Monroe next season. We've got room to do so and a front office that can manage it. Found a good explanation.

 

southpaw2k says:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/09/dennis-pitta-remarkable-to-be-back-in-lineup/

 

I certainly hope so, but Monroe (a genuine franchise LT) will be an expansive signing, so I'm not so sure about all that cap room you're talking about.

 

 

Exactly. Pittas' a good security blanket for Joe, but Gronkowski or Graham he is not.Jacoby right now is our best game changer. Even moreso then Torrie.

 

So what, if Pitta isn't Graham? We don't have Graham and there is no garantee that we get Graham in the next draft. We have Pitta right now, who still is one of the best receiving TEs in the game and who does have great chemistry with our QB.

I don't even know, what the nebulous term "game changer" is suppose to mean, but I haven't seen Jacoby make many plays as a WR in our last game, apart of causing an INT. He's biggest impact comes as a kick returner and that's not even close to being comparable to a good receiver like Torrey (who atleast managed to score a TD in the passing game for us).

[SuggsBarber]

I certainly hope so, but Monroe (a genuine franchise LT) will be an expansive signing, so I'm not so sure about all that cap room you're talking about.

 

 

 

So what, if Pitta isn't Graham? We don't have Graham and there is no garantee that we get Graham in the next draft. We have Pitta right now, who still is one of the best receiving TEs in the game and who does have great chemistry with our QB.

I don't even know, what the nebulous term "game changer" is suppose to mean, but I haven't seen Jacoby make many plays as a WR in our last game, apart of causing an INT. He's biggest impact comes as a kick returner and that's not even close to being comparable to a good receiver like Torrey (who atleast managed to score a TD in the passing game for us).

What's it matter how he scores? The thing is good things can happen when the ball is in his hands. I mean I'm not trying to knock Pitta, but as the coaches put it themselves for'explosive'plays,we'd get'em faster from Jacoby then we would Pitta. And playmakers are a commodity in the league.

[rmw10]

What's it matter how he scores? The thing is good things can happen when the ball is in his hands. I mean I'm not trying to knock Pitta, but as the coaches put it themselves for'explosive'plays,we'd get'em faster from Jacoby then we would Pitta. And playmakers are a commodity in the league.

 

You don't get explosive plays unless you have a core around that explosive player that commands respect.  Teams have to respect Pitta over the middle, which opens up the deep ball for a guy like Jacoby.  I want Jacoby back, but if I have the choice between Pitta and Jacoby, I'm taking Pitta.  Explosive plays are once in awhile.  There's more value out of a guy that can make the tough catch over the middle consistently and extend drives on 3rd down.  As much of a weapon as Jacoby is, he can't consistently make those types of plays.

[PolishRifle]

What's it matter how he scores? The thing is good things can happen when the ball is in his hands. I mean I'm not trying to knock Pitta, but as the coaches put it themselves for'explosive'plays,we'd get'em faster from Jacoby then we would Pitta. And playmakers are a commodity in the league.

 

You're right. The only thing that matters is that you score. Let's see in 2012 Dennis Pitta scored 7 TDs and Jacoby Jones scored 1 TD and returned 3 kicks for TDs. 7>4 I guess Dennis Pitta wins that one.

Btw, Dennis did score a TD in his very first game of this season, while Jacoby has score 2 TDs and returned one kick for a score. So with just one game under his belt, Pitta already has 1/3 of Jacoby's TD total.

 

Jacoby Jones is a great kick returner and returning kicks for a TD is a very exciting play to make, but Pitta is better red zone threat and he is a great asset for converting 3rd downs. If the choice is Jacoby or Pitta (I would prefer to keep both of them), then the choice is easily Pitta.

 

Pitta is by far the more explosive and reliable playmaker.

[Speed Kills]

You don't get explosive plays unless you have a core around that explosive player that commands respect.  Teams have to respect Pitta over the middle, which opens up the deep ball for a guy like Jacoby.  I want Jacoby back, but if I have the choice between Pitta and Jacoby, I'm taking Pitta.  Explosive plays are once in awhile.  There's more value out of a guy that can make the tough catch over the middle consistently and extend drives on 3rd down.  As much of a weapon as Jacoby is, he can't consistently make those types of plays.

Calvin Johnson before they got Reggie Bush this year was the core and the supporting cast and still routinely was a game changer as he produced huge explosive plays every game. So that is a false statement sir. Jacoby doesn't do it every game, but its the closest thing we have and it is extremely valuable in this league. I hope we can retain Monroe, Jacoby and Pitta, but I just don't think Pitta deserves top tight end money. He has never had a season over 700 yards why should we pay him like he is Jimmy Graham or Gronk. 700 yards can be replaced for much cheaper by drafting a TE in the first or second round this year, it is a pretty good talent crop of them unlike last year.

[rmw10]

Calvin Johnson before they got Reggie Bush this year was the core and the supporting cast and still routinely was a game changer as he produced huge explosive plays every game. So that is a false statement sir. Jacoby doesn't do it every game, but its the closest thing we have and it is extremely valuable in this league. I hope we can retain Monroe, Jacoby and Pitta, but I just don't think Pitta deserves top tight end money. He has never had a season over 700 yards why should we pay him like he is Jimmy Graham or Gronk. 700 yards can be replaced for much cheaper by drafting a TE in the first or second round this year, it is a pretty good talent crop of them unlike last year.

 

Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature.  Jacoby Jones is not Calvin Johnson.

 

And why do you think we'll have to pay Pitta that much?  I don't know where you're getting that from.  I know he's not Graham or Gronk, and he's not going to get paid like them either.

[Speed Kills]

Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature.  Jacoby Jones is not Calvin Johnson.

 

And why do you think we'll have to pay Pitta that much?  I don't know where you're getting that from.  I know he's not Graham or Gronk, and he's not going to get paid like them either.

I really hope not, I just have a feeling we will shell out a similar contract to the one Hernandez got or Mercedes Lewis a few years back from the Jaguars. I just feel like he has gotten a lot of attention about how much this team needs him and all it is going to do is move the price up on him. If he was coming cheap they would have locked him up last offseason.

[gabefergy]

Calvin Johnson before they got Reggie Bush this year was the core and the supporting cast and still routinely was a game changer as he produced huge explosive plays every game. So that is a false statement sir. Jacoby doesn't do it every game, but its the closest thing we have and it is extremely valuable in this league. I hope we can retain Monroe, Jacoby and Pitta, but I just don't think Pitta deserves top tight end money. He has never had a season over 700 yards why should we pay him like he is Jimmy Graham or Gronk. 700 yards can be replaced for much cheaper by drafting a TE in the first or second round this year, it is a pretty good talent crop of them unlike last year.

Did you really just compare Jacoby to Megatron?? Lmao.

He's an elite returner, but he doesn't nearly have the value of a consistent presence in the passing game like Pitta. Its not even close.

[PolishRifle]

Did you really just compare Jacoby to Megatron?? Lmao.

He's an elite returner, but he doesn't nearly have the value of a consistent presence in the passing game like Pitta. Its not even close.

 

Evidently some people seem to be under the impression, that we can sign Jacoby to an inexpensive contract. I don't think it's a given.