Chances Jacoby Jones is back next year?

[Tank 92]

I just keep reminding myself that last year, everyone said because both Kruger and Ellerbe had basically one season of production, they'd be easy resigns.  Instead some team shelled out WAY more than either of them were worth.  Jacoby is a better player than either could hope to be - I want him back badly, but he's a number 3 receiver/return specialist, and I know some team is going to throw starter's money at him, and that team won't be us.  It will come down to whether he values being a Raven over making more money.

 

 

This is a strong possibility, especially if Jones continues his upswing.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Ever heard of the salary cap? Didnt think so.

I have to be careful on this forum. There may be minors here (or grown folks that act like minors). Don't profess to know anyone you don't. I'm very aware of salary cap and I'm glad that I don't have to make those decisions, but I'm equally thankful that many speculators don't make those decisions either. I don't know if you read my statement right (which was a hypothetical not directed at you), but it clearly asked the question: "If we do workout an agreement with Jacoby and he's still contributing will fans still call for his head?"

imo - You can't keep everyone and must rebuild for the future, but take care of the one's that embrance your culture first. There's cap available and the best front office in football to make those decisions. I'm not second guessing any players career and calling myself a fan. We sometimes forget...these players are people. While there here I'm going to support and appreciate that.

[gabefergy]

.........and apparently the opinion of the folks that cut D. Reed and that will soon cut Doss, again. That would lead me to believe that it may be factual.

Sorry, don't let the facts get in your way.

[gabefergy]

I have to be careful on this forum. There may be minors here (or grown folks that act like minors). Don't profess to know anyone you don't. I'm very aware of salary cap and I'm glad that I don't have to make those decisions, but I'm equally thankful that many speculators don't make those decisions either. I don't know if you read my statement right (which was a hypothetical not directed at you), but it clearly asked the question: "If we do workout an agreement with Jacoby and he's still contributing will fans still call for his head?"

imo - You can't keep everyone and must rebuild for the future, but take care of the one's that embrance your culture first. There's cap available and the best front office in football to make those decisions. I'm not second guessing any players career and calling myself a fan. We sometimes forget...these players are people. While there here I'm going to support and appreciate that.

You're right, and I apologize for jumping down your throat.

 

We have the best FO in football, so I trust they make the right decisions to best set up the team to win. I'm looking at our cap situation over the next couple of years and find it difficult to fit Jones into the equation. Of course it all depends on what he is looking for in compensation, I just assume he isn't going to be willing to take a paycut, but maybe I am wrong in that assumption.

 

Jones has been a big part of our return game for the past 2 years, and I would hate to see him go. I'm just embracing the reality of the situation. If you take a look at our upcoming FAs, I see several players that I think are of higher importance than him. That doesnt necessarily mean they will be the ones resigned, because money is always the key.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

You're right, and I apologize for jumping down your throat.

 

We have the best FO in football, so I trust they make the right decisions to best set up the team to win. I'm looking at our cap situation over the next couple of years and find it difficult to fit Jones into the equation. Of course it all depends on what he is looking for in compensation, I just assume he isn't going to be willing to take a paycut, but maybe I am wrong in that assumption.

 

Jones has been a big part of our return game for the past 2 years, and I would hate to see him go. I'm just embracing the reality of the situation. If you take a look at our upcoming FAs, I see several players that I think are of higher importance than him. That doesnt necessarily mean they will be the ones resigned, because money is always the key.

Thanks. I get that and I believe Jacoby will work it out with the FO. imo - Jacoby wasn't even considered a strong 3-4 reciever a year ago and is now progressing as a 2-3 in this system (those slants MNF). I think based on that growth and potential to be in a stable organization/possible dynasty - he takes this upcoming negotiation as a bridge contract. I think he stays. I hope he stays.

[Tank 92]

Sorry, don't let the facts get in your way.

 

 

You confuse stats with facts.  Stats are a factual measure of a players worth in fantasy football. It's silly to think they alone measure a player's talents or their importance to an NFL Team.

[Tank 92]

I have to be careful on this forum. There may be minors here (or grown folks that act like minors). Don't profess to know anyone you don't. I'm very aware of salary cap and I'm glad that I don't have to make those decisions, but I'm equally thankful that many speculators don't make those decisions either. I don't know if you read my statement right (which was a hypothetical not directed at you), but it clearly asked the question: "If we do workout an agreement with Jacoby and he's still contributing will fans still call for his head?"

imo - You can't keep everyone and must rebuild for the future, but take care of the one's that embrance your culture first. There's cap available and the best front office in football to make those decisions. I'm not second guessing any players career and calling myself a fan. We sometimes forget...these players are people. While there here I'm going to support and appreciate that.

 

 

Nice try, but he doesn't get it. 

 

Go  

[gabefergy]

You confuse stats with facts. Stats are a factual measure of a players worth in fantasy football. It's silly to think they alone measure a player's talents or their importance to an NFL Team.

Returning kicks is pretty cut and dry...you can't really manipulate the stats to mean something else. When players line Reed and Doss lead the league in returns it says something about the quality of ST unit. I don't think they are as talented as Jacoby, but they have been very effective. We can find someone else is all I'm saying. Jacoby is great, but he is part of a well oiled machine.

[Tank 92]

Returning kicks is pretty cut and dry...you can't really manipulate the stats to mean something else. When players line Reed and Doss lead the league in returns it says something about the quality of ST unit. I don't think they are as talented as Jacoby, but they have been very effective. We can find someone else is all I'm saying. Jacoby is great, but he is part of a well oiled machine.

 

Save this pic somewhere. You'll be seeing a lot more that are similar. 

 

[gabefergy]

Save this pic somewhere. You'll be seeing a lot more that are similar.

The best part of that play was Joe's quote "he actually caught it with his hands!"

[Tank 92]

The best part of that play was Joe's quote "he actually caught it with his hands!"

 

 

That was kinda funny. Maybe it was the best part for you, but for Joe, the Team and fans, the best part was that it was another sign that he was continuing to improve as a receiver. 

[PolishRifle]

That was kinda funny. Maybe it was the best part for you, but for Joe, the Team and fans, the best part was that it was another sign that he was continuing to improve as a receiver. 

 

For me, the best part was, that we scored a TD, which we do rarely this season and that we were able to move the ball, which we started to do just lately. We lack in depth at the WR position. The fact, that Jacoby is our second best receiver, is part of that problem for the Ravens offense. He is a great KR and if we can sign him as a ST player for ST money, than that's great for everyone involved, but he is not a viable complement to Torrey, who struggles himself to be a consistent threat in the passing game.

[Tank 92]

For me, the best part was, that we scored a TD, which we do rarely this season and that we were able to move the ball, which we started to do just lately. We lack in depth at the WR position. Jacoby is part of that problem for the Ravens offense. He is a great KR and if we can sign him as a ST player for ST money, than that's great for everyone involved, but he is not a viable complement to Torrey, who struggles himself to be a consistent threat in the passing game.

 

 

I don't know, he's looked pretty sharp lately. Actually he's been playing much better than Torrey IMO.

 

The WR position is not the source of the Ravens' offensive woes. It has been the lack of a dependable TE(great to have Pitta back), having the worst running game in the history of the NFL and fielding a sieve of an O line. Considering these factors, it's actually pretty amazing that the passing game has been as good as it has been and along with some decent defensive play, it's the reason we have been able to rescue the season.

 

I get the whole money thing, to a point. Should he be paid as a premier receiver? NO.  Should he be paid as an exclusive ST player, definitely not. Jacoby made clutch catches last year that allowed us to move through the [profanity deleted] and win the SB. He has improved as a WR this year and has made key catches in many wins this year. Obviously he should be paid somewhere in between the two for a 2 or 3 year deal. He's a viable, and more importantly, familiar option for Joe that can bridge the time while we develop the young guys we have or the guy we draft next year.

[The Raven]

I don't know, he's looked pretty sharp lately. Actually he's been playing much better than Torrey IMO.

 

The WR position is not the source of the Ravens' offensive woes. It has been the lack of a dependable TE(great to have Pitta back), having the worst running game in the history of the NFL and fielding a sieve of an O line. Considering these factors, it's actually pretty amazing that the passing game has been as good as it has been and along with some decent defensive play, it's the reason we have been able to rescue the season.

 

I get the whole money thing, to a point. Should he be paid as a premier receiver? NO.  Should he be paid as an exclusive ST player, definitely not. Jacoby made clutch catches last year that allowed us to move through the [profanity deleted] and win the SB. He has improved as a WR this year and has made key catches in many wins this year. Obviously he should be paid somewhere in between the two for a 2 or 3 year deal. He's a viable, and more importantly, familiar option for Joe that can bridge the time while we develop the young guys we have or the guy we draft next year.

 

Like hell it isn't, haha. They could barely do a thing against Detroit's #3 and 4 CBs. 

[Radinho84]

Jacoby needs to be braught back.

 

He is a game changer. Both on Special Teams and on Offense.

 

He can do things that nobody else is able to do. Unfortunately he isn´t able to do some stugff that eventually can be done by anybody. lol

 

But all in all I take his big play ability over the little mistakes. He will also get better as he isn´t really ols yet..

[SideStep77]

I saw someone commented that he is doing better than Torrey lately.  Take into consideration that he is our #1 and thus takes the opposing team's #1 CB to cover him.  This leaves the rest of the WR with lower guys.  Jacoby has been playing a lot better.  He is never going to be a true #2 WR, but I think he is definitely living up to expectations...oh and the returning stuff is pretty good too.  I think he'll command a high price due to his versatility and the fact that ST plays are gamechangers and we will let him go.  I think Deonte Thompson will become the returner, he's super quick but again its hard to see return duties when you're behind arguably one of the best returners in the league (I would put Trindon Holliday first in front of Jacoby).

[Tank 92]

Like hell it isn't, haha. They could barely do a thing against Detroit's #3 and 4 CBs. 

 

 

Yeah, it did seem odd. But I thought their whole D played pretty well despite the injuries.

 

Torrey kinda stunk it up at times.  Jones' 6 catches for 80 wasn't too shabby. It seemed like Pitta was out for quite a while, right? I think he only caught 1 or two and was off the field for a few possessions. Hope he's OK.

[The Raven]

Yeah, it did seem odd. But I thought their whole D played pretty well despite the injuries.

 

Torrey kinda stunk it up at times.  Jones' 6 catches for 80 wasn't too shabby. It seemed like Pitta was out for quite a while, right? I think he only caught 1 or two and was off the field for a few possessions. Hope he's OK.

 

I'll give Coby credit for sure, he made some clutch catches that extended drives. We don't win without his catch in the last drive.

 

We might have been resting Pitta for Sunday's game. Who knows? He's probably not in 100% game shape yet and needed a limited game after Minnesota.

[Tank 92]

First down!

 

[cursona pirate]

Yeah, Tank 92

 

You got it. Those are definitely Capybaras!!

 

By the way, did you see Haloti's score for the Lion's game?  I thought he looked a brute and he scored out well too.  Here's to hoping we get his best the next two games! 

 

Tend to agree with you on J.Jones value too. He's turning into a force and his hands have definitely improved, especially since his Houston Days.

my confidence would have been low too in Houston. He was treated terribly.

[Tank 92]

Yeah, Tank 92

 

You got it. Those are definitely Capybaras!!

 

By the way, did you see Haloti's score for the Lion's game?  I thought he looked a brute and he scored out well too.  Here's to hoping we get his best the next two games! 

 

Tend to agree with you on J.Jones value too. He's turning into a force and his hands have definitely improved, especially since his Houston Days.

 

 

Haloti has been an absolute beast the past two games.  It seems the platooning is helping to keep him healthy and I hope he can continue his outstanding play. We need him.

 

I've been talking up Dragonfly since pre season when you could see that he was working hard to improve his skills. Unlike some duds we've tried at WR, Jacoby embraced the opportunity.  I think we'll be able to work something out and he'll be here for at least another couple of years.

[K-Dog]

the more I think about it the more I think Jacoby will not be back.

It makes me sad since its been so long since we have had a dynamic return guy.  I remember getting excited when B.J. Sams or Jermaine Lewis would stand in the back and you knew something cool was about to happen.

Then we had a huge return guy drought.

[Militant X 1]

the more I think about it the more I think Jacoby will not be back.

It makes me sad since its been so long since we have had a dynamic return guy.  I remember getting excited when B.J. Sams or Jermaine Lewis would stand in the back and you knew something cool was about to happen.

Then we had a huge return guy drought.

I agree!  With Jacoby...I expected a return for a TD nearly every time he was back there to catch the ball and was very surprised when he didn't!  lol!

 

#Mili

[The Mom Gene]

He LOVES Bmore....  I don't know...  this is a tough call.  If anyone is willing to take the cut... it would be him.

[K-Dog]

He LOVES Bmore....  I don't know...  this is a tough call.  If anyone is willing to take the cut... it would be him.

I hope you are right...

[Robbo15]

He is should be resigned. Dump Thompson and Doss and you have money to play him. He has a clear role to blow the top off of defenses. He is the best at it on the team because of his speed. He is the best PR AND KR in the league. Why get rid of a player that has a clear role and is the best in the NFL at KR/PR? He commands respect, the the Doss and Thopson don't. Doss and Thompson can be replaced in free agency or draft. He will not be too much.

What has Thompson done???? Nothing!

What has Doss done besides show that he plays scared? He was benched yesterday for his KR/PR gaffes and inability to catch balls.

A drafted WR is no guarantee. Resign ballers. Besides, you can't knock his age because at 31, he is the fastest player on the team.

he wont be back simply bc of The Party bus incident yall might of forgot but Ozzie and harb definitely haven't and we will draft a wr

[GrimCoconut]

He LOVES Bmore.... I don't know... this is a tough call. If anyone is willing to take the cut... it would be him.

No offense to you but I remember Anquan saying he would retire if he couldn't return to Baltimore. I don't buy anything these athletes say anymore. I'd love him back though but it would need to be on the cheap.

[The Mom Gene]

No offense to you but I remember Anquan saying he would retire if he couldn't return to Baltimore. I don't buy anything these athletes say anymore. I'd love him back though but it would need to be on the cheap.

No offense taken...I have said that numerous times too....  But, I think he is a different guy...  The party bus incident was a one time deal with the not so great influence of Bryant McKinnie... 

[Militant X 1]

He LOVES Bmore....  I don't know...  this is a tough call.  If anyone is willing to take the cut... it would be him.

Gene, please correct me if I'm wrong.  But lately in our off seasons; it seems that the Ravens are always expecting or asking a player to take a "cut".  lol!

 

#Mili

[The Mom Gene]

Gene, please correct me if I'm wrong.  But lately in our off seasons; it seems that the Ravens are always expecting or asking a player to take a "cut".  lol!

 

#Mili

You are absolutely correct.  I think too, that we aren't the only team doing it.  Since the CBA and the new cap rules, it makes things so much harder to manage where the players are concerned.  You hear more and more of it.