Gary Kubiak for OC?

[jazz1988]

I think you need to cut Caldwell some slack, just like everybody does for Joe (and for good reason,btw). His playcalling suffers just as much from a lack of talent and depth around Joe, just like Joe's play does. I still believe in Jim, but I wouldn't mind see us getting a QB coach to let Caldwell concentrate on the playbook and the playcalling, while somebody else takes care of Joe's QB play.

 

Joe's most consistent and productive season was still the one with Jim Zorn as our QB coach and I still consider him being let go as one of the big mistakes we ever made. 

In my opinion I thought Joe Flacco had such a consistent and productive season in 2010 (during the time Jim Zorn was qb coach)  because Flacco had 4 former pro bowl receiver to pass to  in  Mason, Housmanzdeh, Boldin and Heap( I guess you can add ray rice to that to).

 

I could be wrong but the ravens can always bring Jim Zorn back but I doubt it happens

[allblackraven]

Mt. Crushmore, on 25 Nov 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

Caldwell's play calling got the Ravens to and won the Super Bowl.

 

On Cam Cameron's playbook.

I'd say mostly on our O-line play (and Joe's of course).

[edthehead]

more often than not that will bite you in the rear.

 

 

can't have both, need one or the other. They feed off of each other. Aggressive defense to get the ball back, methodical offense to keep TOP advantage. Aggressive offense to put up a bunch of points, bend but don't break offense to keep teams from scoring touch downs. 

 

Both are aggressive, turn overs and getting burnt. Also other teams get too many possessions to figure you out. 

you are correct ,,my bad,I just would like to see 2 coordinators that work in conjunction with each other,I think we have a good team but something is not clicking and I do fault the def/off coordinators,,,,,, but thank you for pointing that out,  it makes alot of sense 

[Static]

I think Kubes could do alot for us. The winning forumla seems to be to have Joe in the shotgun and attack over the middle with slants etc. Then toss the deep bomb.

[SecretAgentMan]

I liked seeing the option plays. The read option and triple option aren't gimmicks. They are legitimate plays and they can serve as a part of a legitimate NFL offense. What I don't like is all the reverses to Tyrod and throwing to Tyrod. Those are stupid gimmicks.

As long as the option plays are not the FOCAL point of the offense I'm ok with them.

Eventually, if they are the focal point, the qb is going to get killed and defenses will figure you out.

I'm ok with some, but if it's the focal point then no.

But it won't be the focal point

[D_UP]

No

[Guest RBates]

I think you need to cut Caldwell some slack, just like everybody does for Joe (and for good reason,btw). His playcalling suffers just as much from a lack of talent and depth around Joe, just like Joe's play does. I still believe in Jim, but I wouldn't mind see us getting a QB coach to let Caldwell concentrate on the playbook and the playcalling, while somebody else takes care of Joe's QB play.

 

Joe's most consistent and productive season was still the one with Jim Zorn as our QB coach and I still consider him being let go as one of the big mistakes we ever made. 

I like Caldwell.  We just have to do a better job executing plays.  He has put together a winning formula.  We just lack in the execution department.

[flaccopoe]

Lol at this thread. Kubiak called all the plays for Schaub. That's why Schaub threw that infamous Pic-6 to Sherman: Matt knew what was coming, but he was't allowed to audible. He's squandered so much talent: Foster, Tate, Johnson, Daniels...

[flynismo]

When someone has a TIA or mini stroke, it may be his bodies way of telling him to slow down and maybe get out of coaching.

....or Houston

[SecretAgentMan]

....or Houston

Lmao. You would

[flynismo]

Lmao. You would

Ha, someone had to do it lol

[flaccopoe]

I like Caldwell.  We just have to do a better job executing plays.  He has put together a winning formula.  We just lack in the execution department.

 

For once, you said something reasonable!

[Inqui]

A better question is whether we'd take Wade Philips if he got the boot.

[Inqui]

I'd say mostly on our O-line play (and Joe's of course).

If his o-line play's that good, then Joe's our answer at LG. :p

[gabefergy]

I think our lack of talent on offense is a bigger concern than the OC. Put some weapons around Joe and see our offense take off next year.

Right now Caldwell is having to do a lot of scheming just to get guys open, and clearly it doesn't always work.

WR, TE, and OL all need improving.

[allblackraven]

If his o-line play's that good, then Joe's our answer at LG. :P

Oh, sounds like you misunderstood - for last season's SB run I give our O-line and Joe more credit than Caldwell.

[flaccopoe]

Oh, sounds like you misunderstood - for last season's SB run I give our O-line and Joe more credit than Caldwell.

 

The best thing Caldwell did was loosen the leash on Flacco, letting him be himself.

[Inqui]

Oh, sounds like you misunderstood - for last season's SB run I give our O-line and Joe more credit than Caldwell.

I'm just being a bit tongue-in-cheek is all. Technically, the way you wrote it you said Joe's o-line play was good (just some grammar stuff). I know what you meant.

[FreckleNate]

I like the few wildcat plays we have been running per game. Most defenses wouldn't expect from a team whose QB is mainly known for his cannon arm, and has lately been struggling with the run game. But we do need to kind of watch it because it isn't too hard to catch on to a wildcat play every time Tyrod is on the field.

[PurpleCityLights]

With the Texans losing to the Jags today, look for him to be fired at the end of the season. If he is indeed fired, would you be willing to bring him in as our OC? In my opinion, he isn't a good head coach, but he is a pretty creative OC. Or would you stay with Caldwell as our Offensive Coordinator?

No......

[SeaHawk]

A better question is whether we'd take Wade Philips if he got the boot.

 

I'd love to see him on this team. His plays would work very well for us. He's not a bad DC at all honestly. Not a head coach, but as a DC, he is very good.

[ravensfan520]

Caldwell made adjustments today. Only those adjustments really messed us up because we were constantly running the wild cat. Number one, you can't constantly do the same trick plays over and over again. Eventually, even the worst D's will figure it out and stop the plays. Number two, Tyrod is a QB, not an RB who cannot pass. Why not mix things up with him in that package. Why not have him throw it deep to keep the defense honest instead of constantly using him in screens/runs??

If tyrod comes in Flacco has to go out... the problem with Tyrod and Flacco in at the same time is Flacco takes away a weapon... he doesn't go out in a route and then everyone knows its a run. If he is in the game he needs to be used as a dual threat not just a rb.

[PurpleCityLights]

Im a HUGE fan of Tyrod but he should only be getting like 10 snaps every other, other game.......

[dhstandard]

We don't need another Cameron, that's for sure. It just seems Caldwell is in over his head. I get that our line is horrible, but that wildcat junk was downright terrible. Good thing we were playing the Jets, a team who is so streaky on offense that it makes our offense look beastly. So what do you propose that we do??

 

 

I'm a Caldwell fan. I think we stick with him. He's a good OC. Room for improvement, but he's pretty good.

 

 

He can be our quarterback coach but I don't think he should be our offensive coordinator. I think  Jim Caldwell is doing fine and yes theres a lot he needs to improve on but give him time. One main reason why gary kubiak wont fit is because he likes the zone blocking scheme which doesn't work with our offensive line

 

 

Just so many things wrong in this thread.  Jim Caldwell is a decent OC.  Yes, he is new and I understand that, but we aren't a team that is rebuilding.  We have the pieces to be a contender.  We shouldn't be held back because we are waiting for Caldwell to learn.

 

Kubiak is a wonderful offensive coordinator.  Stop saying BS like "he likes zone blocking scheme" or comparing him to Cameron.  The only one that is like Cameron on that team is Wade Phillips.

 

Kubiak uses zone blocking because he has had success with it.  It's not the only scheme he utilizes.  This is besides the point anyway since blocking scheme is in a large part up to the O-line coach and the Offensive Coordinator NOT the head coach.

 

 

Stop spewing crap that Houston hates him.  They hate him as a head coach.  Just like Chargers fans did not like Norv Turner as their head coach.  But we all know that good Coordinators don't always make the best coaches.  Norv Turner made the Browns offense look elite with two awful quarterbacks this season.

 

If Kubiak is available, I'd give him the OC job and let Caldwell go back to being quarterbacks coach.

[The Raven]

Just so many things wrong in this thread.  Jim Caldwell is a decent OC.  Yes, he is new and I understand that, but we aren't a team that is rebuilding.  We have the pieces to be a contender.  We shouldn't be held back because we are waiting for Caldwell to learn.

 

Kubiak is a wonderful offensive coordinator.  Stop saying BS like "he likes zone blocking scheme" or comparing him to Cameron.  The only one that is like Cameron on that team is Wade Phillips.

 

Kubiak uses zone blocking because he has had success with it.  It's not the only scheme he utilizes.  This is besides the point anyway since blocking scheme is in a large part up to the O-line coach and the Offensive Coordinator NOT the head coach.

 

 

Stop spewing crap that Houston hates him.  They hate him as a head coach.  Just like Chargers fans did not like Norv Turner as their head coach.  But we all know that good Coordinators don't always make the best coaches.  Norv Turner made the Browns offense look elite with two awful quarterbacks this season.

 

If Kubiak is available, I'd give him the OC job and let Caldwell go back to being quarterbacks coach.

 

Oh yes, because Caldwell held us back so much last season.................................

[Guest RBates]

For once, you said something reasonable!

Keep reading it happens from time to time.  lol

[callahan09]

Not sure about Kubiak.  There was a time not long ago that I would have been all for it.  I'm just not so sure, though... It's kind of hard to get a read on it because he has not truly been in charge of the offense in Houston.  They have an offensive coordinator, and this guy's been there since 2010 and isn't really doing a great job if you ask me.  I feel like that team's offense has been kind of on a steady decline since Dennison came onboard.  Who can say if that is Kubiak's fault at all.  Kubiak is probably still a very capable OC.  I just don't see him as a competent head coach.

[The Raven]

Keep reading it happens from time to time.  lol

 

When you're not talking about quarterbacks, it happens often ;)

[flaccopoe]

It wouldn't surprise me if Kubiak retired, given the way his career in HOU is turning out and his health problems;

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I don't think that hiring a former head coach to be an assistant ever works very well. Maybe someone can cite some examples when it worked successfully. The experiment we tried with Cam Cameron definitely did not work. He had been the head coach in Miami and won one game the previous year (against us). Coach Kubiak's team has now lost nine in a row after winning their first two games. However, I don't think Jim Caldwell is the long-term solution to our offensive woes. Unfortunately, we will never land an offensive coordinator who is a genius as long as John Harbaugh is the head coach because John would be threatened. Its a real problem.