Mcgahee

[TXRaven]

I was excited when we got him but that has waned. But I am excited for this team.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='ravens world' post='100461' date='Dec 8 2008, 12:00 AM']We dont and not only that he doesnt benifit us he make us worst, when hes in we loss yards and he just doesnt look like he wants to play because you cant get injuried every week, [b]and when the coach didnt let him play last week he didnt care because he doesnt want to play anyway thats why he didnt say anything about it .[/b][/quote]


Seems like that doesnt it? They were talking about that on Monday Morning Quarterback. Normal RB'S would be fighting for play time like Heap when he wasen't being used in the passing offense. When you fumble the ball for us and it results in a Redskins TD[b] you ARE making us worse as a TEAM[/b]. I think people are blind if they dont see that. You have to look past liking Mcgahee as a person and realizing we have other options.

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

Everyone is so quick to forget this man was a pro bowler last year. But as for this season i'm done with him.. put him on IR and get him started on a training regiment now so he'll be level with everyone else during training camp. Or lets put deactivate him and give that kid on the practice squad some reps.

[Raven43hike]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='100481' date='Dec 8 2008, 12:29 AM']Probably.

Honestly, this is exactly why McGahee should've been a team player and showed up for the offseason conditioning program like everyone else did. Yes, he may have been rehabbing his knee at home, but he could've done that same work in Baltimore with (probably) better facilities. So, unless McGahee was unable to walk (which I doubt), there's no excuse for him to not have shown up.

And a lot of McGahee defenders will say that his showing up overweight was a gross exaggeration or an overstatement...but do you now understand why a lot of people made such a big deal about it to begin with?

Why do players condition? To train their bodies to take punishment. Why do they punish themselves so early? So they can handle more punishment later in the season. Your body will take as much as you're willing to give it, and clearly, McGahee hasn't worked hard enough.

Fumbling indicates an issue with fundamentals. Dropping passes indicates a lack of focus. I could go on and on, but the man needs to step up. The team isn't paying him big bucks for nothing...[/quote]

But it looks they are paying him to do nothing

[Raven43hike]

Whats left on his contract ? I think we should sit him and use him as a backup for the rest of the year we need to keep him if for no other reason the cap hit will take. He is a good back but for some reason (injuries) he's not preforming this year.

[Shawn`]

[quote name='Jesse Conroy' post='100485' date='Dec 7 2008, 11:37 PM']I dont think he should go just yet, I think we should give him 1 more year, his redemption year.. see if he can handle being a Raven.[/quote]

I agree, give him one more year. If he did this bad last year AND this year I'd trade him.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='Raven43hike' post='100607' date='Dec 8 2008, 11:25 AM'][b]Whats left on his contract ? [/b]I think we should sit him and use him as a backup for the rest of the year we need to keep him if for no other reason the cap hit will take. He is a good back but for some reason (injuries) he's not preforming this year.[/quote]

8 mil, so it IS cheaper and would benefit us better to keep him. I guess it can't hurt, maybe he'll come around next year but I obviously agree that he needs to be placed on IR or be benched for the remainder of the season. He's obviously injured.

[kze]

[quote name='20ravens52' post='100515' date='Dec 8 2008, 07:26 AM']I am with you.


I hate how people just want to toss a player because they have one bad year (this is more typical at the rb postion).

Just look the potential he showed last year behind...honestly a pretty bad O-line.


And about Anita Marks...I obviously agree with her. She is actually smarter than I once thought.[/quote]


Nothing more needs to be said.

[RavensIQ]

And if it comes down to McGahee or Jim Leonhard? Who deserves to be a Raven next year? There are 17 players on IR this year. We can only keep 53 (61 including the practice squad) for the 09 season. Decisions have to be made. This list includes:

-Prescott Burgess
-Dwan Edwards
-Kelly Gregg
-Tavares Gooden
-Derek Martin
-Quinn Sypniewski
-Marshal Yanda
-Demetrius Williams
-Justin Harper
-P.J. Daniels
-Dawan Landry

+ 6 other players

Not to mention the addition of next year's draft picks and FA signings.

Realistically we're not gonna be able to keep around the players we as fans want to see remain a Raven next year. So if it came down to the last roster spot and your choices were either Willis McGahee or Jim Leonhard, who would you keep?

You have to pay McGahee in 09 Regardless if he's a Raven or not. So would a couple draft picks + an extra roster spot be worth it? Especially if that extra roster spot could be used to keep a player like Jim Leonhard?

[H8R]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='100569' date='Dec 8 2008, 08:51 AM']we have lorenzo neil too guys. we could use him as a rb sometimes if needed[/quote]

Lorenzo Neal is not a servicable RB, he is a blocking FB/Short yardage guy. He would not be a good option at all. We are going to have to spread it like Philly, using screen passes as a running game if things slow down for us on the ground.

[20ravens52]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='100569' date='Dec 8 2008, 08:51 AM']we have lorenzo neil too guys. we could use him as a rb sometimes if needed[/quote]


yeah...and also he will probably be retiring after this year.

[charles1712]

Every body knows that a running back in the NFL is only good for five years at best . And after that its down hill . McGahee is on his way down hill fast . I say bench him and trade him at the end of this year if they can. I know that you can probable name some running back that has lasted longer then five years but they are not the norm . I agree with the person that said that McGahee should have made the earlier training camps .

[shaikh015]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='100569' date='Dec 8 2008, 08:51 AM']we have lorenzo neil too guys. we could use him as a rb sometimes if needed[/quote]
Lorenzo Neil is not a running back or a full back he is a part of the O line.....

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='100690' date='Dec 8 2008, 01:27 PM']Lorenzo Neil is not a running back or a full back he is a part of the O line.....[/quote]

Sarcastic or not, he's definitely a fullback...

[nevermore621]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='100690' date='Dec 8 2008, 01:27 PM']Lorenzo Neil is not a running back or a full back he is a part of the O line.....[/quote]
Check out the active roster and depth charts on here...Lorenzo is the backup Fullback.

[ravensfan160]

Look everyone was quick to get rid of Jamal a few years ago so we traded for McGahee and Jamal went on to Cleveland and has played pretty well at no cost to them. Us on the other hand paid out the you know what for Willis. Lets not run McGahee out the door just yet. I'll admit I was as frustrated as all of you watching him embarrass himself yesterday but give him some time. It may wind up being a good thing for him. Look back at the Giant game. Even if our defense didn't give up 207 yards rushing we still would have lost that game but it acted as a wake up call to the defense. They learned to calm down and play as a unit instead of everyone trying to make the big play and getting out of position. They have dominated since that loss. I'll bet a similar thing will happen to McGahee. He's a playmaker and embarrassed himself so I bet he'll rebound in a big way. You wait and see he will make some critical plays for us down the stretch. Besides, we saw both him and Rice go down yesterday leaving us with only McClain. We need all the backs we can get.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='100690' date='Dec 8 2008, 01:27 PM']Lorenzo Neil is not a running back or a full back he is a part of the O line.....[/quote]

[#1 D]

[quote name='ravensfan160' post='100768' date='Dec 8 2008, 02:47 PM']Look everyone was quick to get rid of Jamal a few years ago so we traded for McGahee and Jamal went on to Cleveland and has played pretty well at no cost to them. Us on the other hand paid out the you know what for Willis. Lets not run McGahee out the door just yet. I'll admit I was as frustrated as all of you watching him embarrass himself yesterday but give him some time. It may wind up being a good thing for him. Look back at the Giant game. Even if our defense didn't give up 207 yards rushing we still would have lost that game but it acted as a wake up call to the defense. They learned to calm down and play as a unit instead of everyone trying to make the big play and getting out of position. They have dominated since that loss. I'll bet a similar thing will happen to McGahee. He's a playmaker and embarrassed himself so I bet he'll rebound in a big way. You wait and see he will make some critical plays for us down the stretch. Besides, we saw both him and Rice go down yesterday leaving us with only McClain. We need all the backs we can get.[/quote]

For the Ravens' sake, i hope you're right.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='ravensfan160' post='100768' date='Dec 8 2008, 02:47 PM']Look everyone was quick to get rid of Jamal a few years ago so we traded for McGahee and Jamal went on to Cleveland and has played pretty well at no cost to them. Us on the other hand paid out the you know what for Willis. Lets not run McGahee out the door just yet. I'll admit I was as frustrated as all of you watching him embarrass himself yesterday but give him some time. It may wind up being a good thing for him. Look back at the Giant game. Even if our defense didn't give up 207 yards rushing we still would have lost that game but it acted as a wake up call to the defense. They learned to calm down and play as a unit instead of everyone trying to make the big play and getting out of position. They have dominated since that loss. I'll bet a similar thing will happen to McGahee. He's a playmaker and embarrassed himself so I bet he'll rebound in a big way. You wait and see he will make some critical plays for us down the stretch. Besides, we saw both him and Rice go down yesterday leaving us with only McClain. We need all the backs we can get.[/quote]

Jamal did a HELL of a whole lot more us then Mcgahee ever did. I hate to down him because I really do like the guy. I admire him for helping us thru last season.

I hope your right though, because he can't cost us another game. The thing about it is that I dont see HARBS putting up with this, he has said before.. "You fumble the ball for us, it costs you play time" Mcclain puts TD'S on the board and Rice always gives us the position to score. Keep Mcgahee, it would cost us more to get rid of him. Maybe next season he'll come back from his injures and play smashmouth football like the rest of this Ravens team.. Im just hoping they still see Mcgahee as part of it.

[mpplaya07]

we should just bench him.... rice hopefully comes back next week because we will need him and just let mcclain and rice take the load... mcgahee needs to be punished for his non sense this year.. maybe this time it will stick in his head that regardless of your income, with the new sheriff in town ( coach) that he will be benched for his fumbles and lack of effort.... and man has he been injjury prone this year.. if its not one thing after the other... everyone goes back and fourth with this but i mean we have to look at it like this, he ran for us last year... **** happens and it appears to be that year for mcgahee... be happy we have 2 other Rb's putting numbers

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='100774' date='Dec 8 2008, 02:50 PM']Jamal did a HELL of a whole lot more us then Mcgahee ever did. I hate to down him because I really do like the guy. I admire him for helping us thru last season.

I hope your right though, because he can't cost us another game. The thing about it is that I dont see HARBS putting up with this, he has said before.. "You fumble the ball for us, it costs you play time" Mcclain puts TD'S on the board and Rice always gives us the position to score. Keep Mcgahee, it would cost us more to get rid of him. Maybe next season he'll come back from his injures and play smashmouth football like the rest of this Ravens team.. [b]Im just hoping they still see Mcgahee as part of it.[/b][/quote]

At this point I don't think they have much choice. I don't know the details of his contract but I would imagine it makes him unlikely to be traded not to mention his poor performance this year. I have no doubt he will be back next year unless he becomes a major distraction a la Burress, Owens, or Ocho Cinco. If he would then Harbaugh seems like the kind of coach with a backbone to say enough is enough. Still, it would be nice to free up his cap space but I think with his siging bonus releasing him would actually hurt us.

[Ravens52]

I really do like Willis and think he's a great player but he's an idiot for what he did this offseason. It hurts to see him struggle like this and basically lose his starting job. I just hope he gets something going this offseason so he can help us in the next season and play to his fullest potential.

[flynismo]

I really wish Willis could turn it around, but he reminds me of Jamal during his last couple years here. He just doesn't have it all together right now...even when he plays aggressively and is decisive, he isn't being productive (I honestly don't think he's making good decision when he attacks a hole).
Between Rice and McClain, I think they could do a good job handling the load. Problem is, McGahee's salary...way too much money to just cut him or bench him.

[tctony]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='100774' date='Dec 8 2008, 02:50 PM']Jamal did a HELL of a whole lot more us then Mcgahee ever did. I hate to down him because I really do like the guy. I admire him for helping us thru last season.

I hope your right though, because he can't cost us another game. The thing about it is that I dont see [b]HARBS putting up with this, he has said before.. "You fumble the ball for us, it costs you play time" Mcclain puts TD'S on the board[/b] and Rice always gives us the position to score. Keep Mcgahee, it would cost us more to get rid of him. Maybe next season he'll come back from his injures and play smashmouth football like the rest of this Ravens team.. Im just hoping they still see Mcgahee as part of it.[/quote]

McClain has actually had some balls security issues recently..

[Gwaihir]

3.12 Million Cap Hit Next year, 11.25 million Cap Hit if we release him!

[Slim]

I don't want to be out of the subject, but i just think Willis cannot fit in that 3 headed, i mean you use 3 backs with different running style like the giants play powerful running with Jacobs, u have speed running style with Bradshaw, and u have Ward who can mix a little bit (i don't say that jacobs is slow !) McGahee is slower, we all know he's been dealing with a lot of knee injuries which have made him loose his quickness, but right now he's slower AND not powerful as Le'ron is, on the other side we have a guy, Ray Rice, who can accelerate in a little space, and who can also truck defenders, so right now i think if the ravens want to have a great 3 headed, AND it's still just my opinion guys, they need a speed back, and what i would love to see during the offseason, is Cam Cameron bringing Darren Sproles who will be a free agent at the end of the season, i think that would do a very hard trio to handle for defenses !


GO RAVENS !

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='Ravens1990' post='100818' date='Dec 8 2008, 04:31 PM']McClain has actually had some balls security issues recently..[/quote]


TRUE. but he has yardage and TD'S and unlike Mcgahee his "fumbles" dont result in turnovers and touchdowns for the opposing team.

[Ravens52]

Well, McClain has to work on that but he's been worn down a bunch so it looks more like fatigue then it is of anything

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='100481' date='Dec 8 2008, 12:29 AM']Probably.

Honestly, this is exactly why McGahee should've been a team player and showed up for the offseason conditioning program like everyone else did. Yes, he may have been rehabbing his knee at home, but he could've done that same work in Baltimore with (probably) better facilities. So, unless McGahee was unable to walk (which I doubt), there's no excuse for him to not have shown up.

And a lot of McGahee defenders will say that his showing up overweight was a gross exaggeration or an overstatement...but do you now understand why a lot of people made such a big deal about it to begin with?

Why do players condition? To train their bodies to take punishment. Why do they punish themselves so early? So they can handle more punishment later in the season. Your body will take as much as you're willing to give it, and clearly, McGahee hasn't worked hard enough.

Fumbling indicates an issue with fundamentals. Dropping passes indicates a lack of focus. I could go on and on, but the man needs to step up. The team isn't paying him big bucks for nothing...[/quote]
McGahee did not buy into the Harbs program and that is why he has not been playing. Harbs believes that there is no I in team

[FerrariFan87]

McGahee stinks now... I don't trust him anymore. I hope his head injury or whatever is bad enough to hold him out. He's a guaranteed fumble every game now, and he just runs into the pile EVERY play, he doesn't seem to want to find cut-back lanes