Ed Reed

[pep_meister]

PLEASE RESIGN HIM.... if any of the safety's need a breather i would love knowing ed is on the field. if a safety went down i would love to know ed is on the field... also if we do not take him the cowboys would be id10ts to not claim him... there secondary is HORRIBLE... i guarantee if they signed huff and reed that the back end of their D would improve 100%....

[ellicottraven]

 

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL2m

Texans are releasing Ed Reed today.

 

Would anyone like him back/could you see it happening?

 

Ed Reed can come back if he is retiring and staying on as secondary coach! Or I wouldn't mind him not retiring right now, but coming on as a mentor/coach to all defensive players! How can you not have Ed Reed back in Baltimore - it's his birthright!

[Poes Crows]

The Ed Reed affair in Houston was not what it appears.

 

Houston crashed and burned. In the burning they began looking for reasons why. Ed's recent "Tweets" didn't help his cause. Upon reading them, I posted he appeared to be poisoning the water.

 

They singled out Schaub and Reed, but divesting themselves of those players is not going to resolve the inherent problem.

 

Read somewhere recently, that following stats alone is folly, as they pertain to football truer words were never spoken . You want Fantasy Football, you follow stats, you want to win, you start players who are winners. 

 

If you watched one of Diggers interceptions Sunday, it glanced off Cleats "Hands of Stone" Elam. It shot into the air as if out of a cannon.  Harder hands have rarely touched the ball in the NFL.  But I knew he had palms of granite long ago. Luckily Digger was there to round it up.  At the end of the game Digger tried to hand the game back to Cincinnati but made amends later.

 

We are weak at safety....as in fatal weak.  It was a HUGE mistake to not resign Ed Reed for one more year and of the following I am certain: he still has game, regardless of the chaos down in Texas.  Especially, for a team with safeties that are wishing and praying the big score is Not on them.  We suck at safety and if we don't make the playoffs it will be because of the play at Safety and the lack of a "Go To" clutch receiver.  But we've known that since April.

[Bltravens]

That is my point. Mason should have never retired as a Raven. He has even less right than Reed considering we did not draft him.

 

And I remember someone in the media saying another team was courting him to come and that he was taking a paycut albeit a small one. The validity to this is uncertain as it was a media talking head, but I do remember hearing it.

Damn that's pretty ruthless.  Few people will get to retire as Ravens in your world lol.

It was Dallas but that was an inherent rumour.  I read sources citing Lewis' inner circle that Lewis had no intention of leaving, just wanted to be paid what he was worth (considering he was coming off an All Pro year and would have 2 more Pro Bowl appearances in 2010 and 2011)

[A Fish Called Yanda]

The Ed Reed affair in Houston was not what it appears.

 

Houston crashed and burned. In the burning they began looking for reasons why. Ed's recent "Tweets" didn't help his cause. Upon reading them, I posted he appeared to be poisoning the water.

 

They singled out Schaub and Reed, but divesting themselves of those players is not going to resolve the inherent problem.

 

Read somewhere recently, that following stats alone is folly, as they pertain to football truer words were never spoken . You want Fantasy Football, you follow stats, you want to win, you start players who are winners. 

 

How have the Texans divested themselves of Schaub?  Was his ankle injury some sort of conspiracy?

[Guest Omerta]

Damn that's pretty ruthless.  Few people will get to retire as Ravens in your world lol.

It was Dallas but that was an inherent rumour.  I read sources citing Lewis' inner circle that Lewis had no intention of leaving, just wanted to be paid what he was worth (considering he was coming off an All Pro year and would have 2 more Pro Bowl appearances in 2010 and 2011)

 

Yes this is true. It is supply side economics though, the greater the supply the cheaper the product. The less product the more valuable the product.

 

Not many will retire as Ravens. Nor should they. It is a career long investment and I have seen it among every Ravens fan. Two people we will fight ot the death for is JO and Ray. That is how it should be, they gave us all they had and in turn we make them icons not only on the field but off as well. These men are as giants to us and almost all of us given the choice between spending the day with JO or Ray, or the president it would be a no brainer. 

 

Sure there is only two but those two deserve everything the community has for what they gave us. Ed Reed, Heap, Mason all quit and chased the money. I feel no hesitation in saying to this point there has only been two true to the core Ravens. 

[sflegend89]

Vet minimum. Understands his role as depth player and mentor for guys like Elam. I say welcome back 20. It would have to be on those terms though.

[wayne]

Bring him home.

[Poes Crows]

Co-inky-dink that right after he slams the coaching staff and players he gets a pink slip?

 

Baltimore put up with "Ed being Ed" because of the player he was and the weight he carried. Houston just saw an overpaid, vaguely injured, non-productive whiner and cut him loose. If Ed would have played it smart and kept quiet, he could have earned his way through more of that contract - you know, the reason he left Baltimore in the first place ($$$).

 

I knew he would be most valuable here but how could anyone see that fall from grace?

 

You're talking about a team (Texans) "augering" into the ground after a fight for the flight controls. That team is in complete chaos. 

 

After they pulled Reed, I saw their safeties torched over the top. They looked like Cleats and Digger staring into the backfield.

 

Did Reed speak up? Yes he did.  Did it cost him remaining on the roster?  I think it did.  But guess what, theres guarantee money. It was an expensive position of principle to let him go for addressing whats really wrong with the other safeties playing like abbott and costello... I mean ours.

 

. Anyone judging Reed's remainder on the disaster in Texas is playing Fantasy Football.

[rmw10]

 

We are weak at safety....as in fatal weak.  It was a HUGE mistake to not resign Ed Reed for one more year and of the following I am certain: he still has game, regardless of the chaos down in Texas.  Especially, for a team with safeties that are wishing and praying the big score is Not on them.  We suck at safety and if we don't make the playoffs it will be because of the play at Safety and the lack of a "Go To" clutch receiver.  But we've known that since April.

 

Called it on page 1!

[Militant X 1]

Yes this is true. It is supply side economics though, the greater the supply the cheaper the product. The less demand the more valuable the product.

 

Not many will retire as Ravens. Nor should they. It is a career long investment and I have seen it among every Ravens fan. Two people we will fight ot the death for is JO and Ray. That is how it should be, they gave us all they had and in turn we make them icons not only on the field but off as well. These men are as giants to us and almost all of us given the choice between spending the day with JO or Ray, or the president it would be a no brainer. 

 

Sure there is only two but those two deserve everything the community has for what they gave us. Ed Reed, Heap, Mason all quit and chased the money. I feel no hesitation in saying to this point there has only been two true to the core Ravens. 

well, imo; just because another team offered Ed Reed a better deal than the Ravens and he took it; that doesn't mean that his action in leaving nullifies all that he has done for this organization and fan base as a Baltimore Raven over the past 11 years.  bring Ed Reed home and let him go out in style...as a Baltimore Raven!

 

#Mili

[Guest Omerta]

We are weak at safety....as in fatal weak.  It was a HUGE mistake to not resign Ed Reed for one more year and of the following I am certain: he still has game, regardless of the chaos down in Texas.  Especially, for a team with safeties that are wishing and praying the big score is Not on them.  We suck at safety and if we don't make the playoffs it will be because of the play at Safety and the lack of a "Go To" clutch receiver.  But we've known that since April.

 

I do believe you ar trying to piss in our pockets and pass it as the rain. 

 

If we dont make the playoffs culprit 1 is the O line. 

[Guest Omerta]

well, imo; just because another team offered Ed Reed a better deal than the Ravens and he took it; that doesn't mean that his action in leaving nullifies all that he has done for this organization and fan base as a Baltimore Raven over the past 11 years.  bring Ed Reed home and let him go out in style...as a Baltimore Raven!

 

#Mili

 

Yeah and you are in the majority. I understand it is a matter of philosophies. 

 

Personally I cant bring myself to be as loyal to Ed as I would Ray because of the way he looked for greener pastures and when he found out it wasnt now I have to be understanding. I just cant. I mean he gave us an amazing 11 years and would have been another Raven icon (imo) had he retired with Ray. How cool would it have been to have two first ballot HOF'ers go in together ? Yeah I just refuse to say he belongs in the company with JO and Ray. Only they deserve the title "retired ravens." 

[bauer77]

Yes this is true. It is supply side economics though, the greater the supply the cheaper the product. The less product the more valuable the product.

 

Not many will retire as Ravens. Nor should they. It is a career long investment and I have seen it among every Ravens fan. Two people we will fight ot the death for is JO and Ray. That is how it should be, they gave us all they had and in turn we make them icons not only on the field but off as well. These men are as giants to us and almost all of us given the choice between spending the day with JO or Ray, or the president it would be a no brainer. 

 

Sure there is only two but those two deserve everything the community has for what they gave us. Ed Reed, Heap, Mason all quit and chased the money. I feel no hesitation in saying to this point there has only been two true to the core Ravens. 

 

Not exactly sure why that's such a big deal to people.If you worked somewhere for 11 years, but someone else called you offering you a significant raise, you wouldn't take it? Why do players have to stay "loyal"? This is a JOB. It's a business.  And Ed deserves everything that JO and Ray get, and will with most people. 

[SecretAgentMan]

Called it on page 1!

You want a cookie or something ?

[Tank 92]

Yes this is true. It is supply side economics though, the greater the supply the cheaper the product. The less product the more valuable the product.

 

Not many will retire as Ravens. Nor should they. It is a career long investment and I have seen it among every Ravens fan. Two people we will fight ot the death for is JO and Ray. That is how it should be, they gave us all they had and in turn we make them icons not only on the field but off as well. These men are as giants to us and almost all of us given the choice between spending the day with JO or Ray, or the president it would be a no brainer. 

 

Sure there is only two but those two deserve everything the community has for what they gave us. Ed Reed, Heap, Mason all quit and chased the money. I feel no hesitation in saying to this point there has only been two true to the core Ravens. 

 

 

Ed was done, and the Ravens FO knew it. I'm sure they had no problem with him getting another pay day that he wasn't getting here.  Reed is a first ballot HOF and there's no questioning that he should retire a Raven.

 

Todd Heap was going to be released. His family and home are in Arizona. He was not chasing money. Maybe not a Ravens retiree, but most definitely a core Raven.

 

Mason  played the majority of his career with the titans. I agree that he is not a "core Raven".

[berad]

You're talking about a team (Texans) "augering" into the ground after a fight for the flight controls. That team is in complete chaos. 

 

After they pulled Reed, I saw their safeties torched over the top. They looked like Cleats and Digger staring into the backfield.

 

Did Reed speak up? Yes he did.  Did it cost him remaining on the roster?  I think it did.  But guess what, theres guarantee money. It was an expensive position of principle to let him go for addressing whats really wrong with the other safeties playing like abbott and costello... I mean ours.

 

. Anyone judging Reed's remainder on the disaster in Texas is playing Fantasy Football.

Teams should be lining up to put claims on him, then.

[Guest Omerta]

Not exactly sure why that's such a big deal to people.If you worked somewhere for 11 years, but someone else called you offering you a significant raise, you wouldn't take it? Why do players have to stay "loyal"? This is a JOB. It's a business.  And Ed deserves everything that JO and Ray get, and will with most people. 

 

Trying to compare a regular 9 to 5 to the NFL is not a valid comparison. 

 

And if the players dont have to stay "loyal" as you say than why should I ? 

 

And nobody says they have to, and neither do we as fans. Ed is not on JO's level, and NOWHERE near Ray's.

[Guest Omerta]

Ed was done, and the Ravens FO knew it. I'm sure they had no problem with him getting another pay day that he wasn't getting here.  Reed is a first ballot HOF and there's no questioning that he should retire a Raven.

 

Todd Heap was going to be released. His family and home are in Arizona. He was not chasing money. Maybe not a Ravens retiree, but most definitely a core Raven.

 

Mason  played the majority of his career with the titans. I agree that he is not a "core Raven".

 

Agree to disagree. Is he first ballot ? In all likelihood. Do I (as in me personally) think he should have the honor JO and Ray do ? No. It is just philosophical. you think they do, I think they dont. We move on.

[Brandon22]

I would then we could let Elam start at SS and Ed return to FS he could mentor the youngsters and possibly help improve our secondary because right now we have two strong safeties on the field

[bauer77]

Trying to compare a regular 9 to 5 to the NFL is not a valid comparison. 

 

And if the players dont have to stay "loyal" as you say than why should I ? 

 

And nobody says they have to, and neither do we as fans. Ed is not on JO's level, and NOWHERE near Ray's.

 

How is it not? Yes, its comparing hourly wages to millions of dollars. But the deal Reed signed was gonna be the last of his career, and we all knew this. So of course he's going to take the money, and I don't blame him in the slightest. It'd be the same way if you or I would take a better paying job. 

[Poes Crows]

Don't know if other teams will put in claims for Reed.  He's expensive, they have to pay his negotiated salary correct?

 

He'll clear waivers and then be a Free Agent.  He'll have the Texans guarantee money and if our F.O. is shrewd this time, they'll convince him to come back.  But Reed is outspoken and Little Napoleon may not want him back.

 

The key question though..."Is our Safety Play at a satisfactory level".  I'll answer that one with a resounding NO

[Guest Omerta]

How is it not? Yes, its comparing hourly wages to millions of dollars. But the deal Reed signed was gonna be the last of his career, and we all knew this. So of course he's going to take the money, and I don't blame him in the slightest. It'd be the same way if you or I would take a better paying job. 

 

Well other than the reason you just named, 11 years in the NFL is a full career, he will never have to work again. You and I (unless you are an inheritance child) will never get that luxury until social security kicks in (or die in all likelihood). 

 

To piggy back off of that we would have to work what 35 years to be considered that AT LEAST, if not longer. So if I retire when I am 65 and when I am say 62 some company offers me a $2.00 raise I am going to stay because of what I have vested in the company and know that in the grand scheme of things that money is not worth the uncertainty of another company just for the last 2 or 3 years of my career before I retire anyway. 

 

11 years to retire forever versus 35 +, I hope you see the disconnect.

[Bltravens]

You're talking about a team (Texans) "augering" into the ground after a fight for the flight controls. That team is in complete chaos. 

 

After they pulled Reed, I saw their safeties torched over the top. They looked like Cleats and Digger staring into the backfield.

 

Did Reed speak up? Yes he did.  Did it cost him remaining on the roster?  I think it did.  But guess what, theres guarantee money. It was an expensive position of principle to let him go for addressing whats really wrong with the other safeties playing like abbott and costello... I mean ours.

 

. Anyone judging Reed's remainder on the disaster in Texas is playing Fantasy Football.

Combined with poor play.  If he's playing lights the team isn't going to cut him because he said something as simple as "I think we were out coached by a worse team."

[rmw10]

Why are we discussing Reed leaving like this?  The Ravens never even made an offer.  He had no choice but to leave since he wanted to continue playing...

[Guest Omerta]

Why are we discussing Reed leaving like this?  The Ravens never even made an offer.  He had no choice but to leave since he wanted to continue playing...

 

Yes they did. Just because he did not want to meet our price does not mean we did not offer.

[bauer77]

Well other than the reason you just named, 11 years in the NFL is a full career, he will never have to work again. You and I (unless you are an inheritance child) will never get that luxury until social security kicks in (or die in all likelihood). 

 

To piggy back off of that we would have to work what 35 years to be considered that AT LEAST, if not longer. So if I retire when I am 65 and when I am say 62 some company offers me a $2.00 raise I am going to stay because of what I have vested in the company and know that in the grand scheme of things that money is not worth the uncertainty of another company just for the last 2 or 3 years of my career before I retire anyway. 

 

11 years to retire forever versus 35 +, I hope you see the disconnect.

 

Ok yeah sure i get all that. I'm just meaning in general. He's still gonna take the money, just like mostly every other nfl player would.

[berad]

Don't know if other teams will put in claims for Reed. He's expensive, they have to pay his negotiated salary correct?

He'll clear waivers and then be a Free Agent. He'll have the Texans guarantee money and if our F.O. is shrewd this time, they'll convince him to come back. But Reed is outspoken and Little Napoleon may not want him back.

The key question though..."Is our Safety Play at a satisfactory level". I'll answer that one with a resounding NO

I thought it was Ozzie's fault Reed was gone? Now it's on Harbaugh? Do I have to post the hugging pictures again? Or perhaps when he publicly defended Reed (and Lewis) from calls for them to be benched?

Ed took the money - good for him, he had been talking about money for years before. But his attitude and his play (or lack thereof) got him cut. He left Baltimore for money, we all wanted him back but not at $5M/year.

[rmw10]

Yes they did. Just because he did not want to meet our price does not mean we did not offer.

 

We didn't make an offer.  We were prepared to move on without Reed.

[FerrariFan87]

Thinking more about this, I would looooooove to hear REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED one more time as he exits the tunnel at The Bank.