State of the QB

[T3hRaven]

Still sold on him after today's epic failure, including the no-contact fumble of his?

I said he was the best in the class, there's no reason not to stand by that. One blunder does not define a QBs career.

[K-Dog]

I feel bad for Skins fans.  ( yes really )
After years and years and years of sucking they gamble their future with a ton of future picks to get RG-III and every indication says the gamble is going to pay off richly.

Till Nagata pays him a visit.  But even at that, they gamble their season and playoff future on RG-III, but this is where they lost the gamble and every thing that comes with it.

 

I have watched a few skins games, and there is [b]NO[/b] comparison to RG-III last season to this one.  Its sad really.

He is no where as mobile, his explosive speed is gone.  His passing barely reaches the brink of average.  This kid went from king of the world / savoir of an organization to next to nothing.

 

I REALLY do feel sorry for Skins fans. 

[flaccopoe]

Clemmons (1 INT, just 19/37 passing) and Fitzpatrick (4 TOs!) finally cracked.  Henne scrapped together JAC's 3rd win in a row. Keenum continues to play clutch in losses.  Glennon got shut out by CAR and had a fumble for the ages to boot.  Weeden was Weeden.

[flaccopoe]

Something tells me Keenum won't be the starter for HOU come Week 1 of next year.  He's lost to JAC twice!  HOU now has sole possession of 1st place in the Sink for Bridgewater Sweepstakes.  They still have a pretty high ranked defense, in terms of yds given up (2nd in pass yd and 3rd in total yd).  You have to think Watt will have a bounceback year next season.  I'm thinking HOU goes Brifgewater in the draft.

[T3hRaven]

Something tells me Keenum won't be the starter for HOU come Week 1 of next year. He's lost to JAC twice! HOU now has sole possession of 1st place in the Sink for Bridgewater Sweepstakes. They still have a pretty high ranked defense, in terms of yds given up (2nd in pass yd and 3rd in total yd). You have to think Watt will have a bounceback year next season. I'm thinking HOU goes Brifgewater in the draft.

What is Watt bouncing back from? He's still the best defensive player in the league.

[flaccopoe]

What is Watt bouncing back from? He's still the best defensive player in the league.

His stats are far less amazing.

[Mt. Crushmore]

His stats are far less amazing.

 

Stats aren't everything.

[Ed_Reed20]

His stats are far less amazing.

 

Wow...

 

He's the best defensive player in the league. 

[flaccopoe]

Wow...

He's the best defensive player in the league.

A healthy Matthews is better. Revis is better, Sherman, Alonso... This is all subjective of course.

[Ed_Reed20]

A healthy Matthews is better. Revis is better, Sherman, Alonso... This is all subjective of course.

 

:lol: Mathews is never healthy. Regardless, Watt is better. He's force against the run, generates even more pressure despite playing a position which doesn't put him as many favourable match-ups as rush LBs and he disrupts passing lanes. Revis still hasn't recaptured '11 form, much less '09 form. You can throw away from Sherman, minimizing his impact on the game. You can't avoid Watt. As for Alonso, you must be joking. 

[Geving]

:lol: Mathews is never healthy. Regardless, Watt is better. He's force against the run, generates even more pressure despite playing a position which doesn't put him as many favourable match-ups as rush LBs and he disrupts passing lanes. Revis still hasn't recaptured '11 form, much less '09 form. You can throw away from Sherman, minimizing his impact on the game. You can't avoid Watt. As for Alonso, you must be joking. 

Lol.

This.

Watt is by far the best and most disruptive defensive player in the league.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Alonso?

[T3hRaven]

His stats are far less amazing.

 

Please, do tell which stat isn't absolutely fantastic for the position?  PFF credits him with 10 sacks, 31 QB hits, 31 QB hurries, 6 batted passes, 51 solo tackles (not including sacks), 7 assists, and 55 stops (the play was an offensive failure).  He is as dominant as a pass rusher as he is a run defender.  He's tied for the sack lead, has almost 3x as many hits as the next guy, is top 3 in hurries, leads in batted passes, and has a pretty decent lead in tackles and stop at the position.  Just briefly browsing the other stats, he's in the top for all pass rushing categories even when compared to 3-4 OLB and 4-3, the tradition pass rush positions.  He has a significant lead in QB hits.  He leads 3-4 DEs, a run stopping position, in run stop percentage and pass rushing productivity, and is competitive in PRP with the pass rushing positions.  Take PFF's stuff for what you will, even looking at the raw numbers it's easy to see that he is a truly dominant force in this league.  You couldn't be more wrong about JJ Watt.  He's been the best defender in the league the past two seasons and it's not even that close.

 

Alonso?

 

He'd probably get my vote for DROY.

[Mt. Crushmore]

He'd probably get my vote for DROY.

 

DROY yes, but not the best defensive player in the league.  Not by a long shot.

[T3hRaven]

DROY yes, but not the best defensive player in the league.  Not by a long shot.

 

Yeah not even close.  Totally overlooked that name reading poe's post, he's even more off base here than I thought.

[flaccopoe]

Getting back to QUARTERBACKS, I'll present my findings on Brady and some other notable QBs THIS season:

Brady: 3,267 yd, 19 TD, 10 TO, 60.7%, 89.2 QBR, 1 TD pass per 172 yd

Stafford: 3,825 yd, 27 TD, 17 TO, 59.2%, 89.6 QBR, 1 TD pass per 142 yd

Newton: 2,616 yd, 19 TD, 12 TO, 61.7%, 88.1 QBR, 447 rush yd, 6 rush TD, 1 TD pass per 138 yd

Wilson: 2,672 yd, 22 TD, 11 TO, 64.9%, 108.5 QBR, 456 rush yd, 1 rush TD, 1 TD pass per 121 yd

It's time to stop the Brady worship. We as Ravens fans should know better. One should keep in mind:

Stafford only has 1 reliable receiver, yet he's thrown for 558 more yd, the equivalent of almost 2 extra games.

Newton likewise only has 1 trusty receiver: a TE. Newton has a better completion % and an equal number of TD passes as Brady, despite throwing 7.62% less than Brady. CAR is 30th in passing play percentage. He also contributes a lot to his team through his rushing game.

Wilson has a very ragtag receiving corps and throws the ball less than any other QB in the league. Despite this, he has 3 more TD passes and a QBR 19.3 pt higher than Brady. He also provides a rushing boost.

[flaccopoe]

Damn, looks like Josh McCown might be able to land a starting job somewhere after the way he's balled in Cutler's steed!

[beanfigger]

My rankings for QBs in year three or fewer (starters only):

1. Luck
2. Newton (and it's getting really close here)
3. Wilson
4. Foles (he's going to take advantage of this system)
5. Glennon (just thought I should go out on a limb and throw a rookie in the top 5)
6. Kaep
7. Dalton
8. Tannehill
9. RG3/Cousins
10. Manuel

[flaccopoe]

My rankings for QBs in year three or fewer (starters only):

1. Luck
2. Newton (and it's getting really close here)
3. Wilson
4. Foles (he's going to take advantage of this system)
5. Glennon (just thought I should go out on a limb and throw a rookie in the top 5)
6. Kaep
7. Dalton
8. Tannehill
9. RG3/Cousins
10. Manuel

I'd put Wilson at #2. He's a much more efficient passer, despite having no reliable receivers. At least Cam has a crutch in Olsen.

[flaccopoe]

Anyone upset with Trestman's decision to bench McCown for Cutler against CLE's stout defense this Sunday?

[beanfigger]

I'd put Wilson at #2. He's a much more efficient passer, despite having no reliable receivers. At least Cam has a crutch in Olsen.

The top three are all solid. Put them in whatever order you want, but I feel they are in a class amongst themselves in this group.

[YYZ66]

Anyone upset with Trestman's decision to bench McCown for Cutler against CLE's stout defense this Sunday?

 

I found the decision quite interesting.  Don't follow the Bears all that much, but I believe McCown has been lighting it up recently.  He's a lot more mobile than Cutler, isn't he?  Chicago isn't known for their stout offensive line.

[T3hRaven]

I found the decision quite interesting.  Don't follow the Bears all that much, but I believe McCown has been lighting it up recently.  He's a lot more mobile than Cutler, isn't he?  Chicago isn't known for their stout offensive line.

I'm not sure about the mobility, but I will say Chicago's protection and OL has been great this year.  Play design for Trestman starts with protection, and he's been doing a great job of leaving extra lineman in and doing a lot of other things to make sure his QB has enough time.  In fact, I believe the Bears have run the most plays with extra lineman on the field, and they're just as likely to pass from those sets as run, which is atypical.

[Inqui]

I found the decision quite interesting.  Don't follow the Bears all that much, but I believe McCown has been lighting it up recently.  He's a lot more mobile than Cutler, isn't he?  Chicago isn't known for their stout offensive line.

They could be looking at Jay Cutler's value as contract talks begin.

 

Or they could just be going down the classic (albeit debatable) route of bringing the starter back when they get healthy. I guess the story of Wally Pipp means nothing to some coaches. :P

[flaccopoe]

Looks like Snyder is looking to trade his alluring QB2:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000297745/article/mike-shanahan-kirk-cousins-might-yield-firstrounder

[JO_75]

Looks like Snyder is looking to trade his alluring QB2:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000297745/article/mike-shanahan-kirk-cousins-might-yield-firstrounder

 

Teams learned from the 2011 NFL Draft not to reach for quarterbacks, as evidenced by only one quarterback going in the first round in 2013. While Kirk Cousins may be more talented than Kevin Kolb and Matt Cassel, I think teams learned from those debacles that giving a high round pick up for backup quarterbacks aren't the best idea.

[The Mom Gene]

Yeah, he and Shanahan made that statement last night in defense of their statement about benching RG3.  That it would give Cousins a chance to show his stuff, and sell himself.

Looks like Snyder is looking to trade his alluring QB2:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000297745/article/mike-shanahan-kirk-cousins-might-yield-firstrounder

[flaccopoe]

Matt Flynn loves to set franchise records for GB: most TD in a single game, tied for largest comeback win, 1st Packer win at DAL since 1989...

[flaccopoe]

So how would you assess Kirk Cousins' 1st start of the season, against the lowly Falcons' defense?  He completed 29/45 passes fro 381 yd and 3 TD against ATL, but also had 3 costly TOs, including a pick that he threw in his own end-zone.  It doesn't help that his star RB fumbled twice and he DID come within a 2-pt conversion pass of leading a comeback win.

[PolishRifle]

Matt Flynn loves to set franchise records for GB: most TD in a single game, tied for largest comeback win, 1st Packer win at DAL since 1989...

 

Yeah, I bet Aaron is afraid, that he's gonna lose his job now. :D Flynn sucks. There's a reason, he never was able to hold on to a starting job. He's a backup, that's where he belongs.

 

They could be looking at Jay Cutler's value as contract talks begin.

 

Or they could just be going down the classic (albeit debatable) route of bringing the starter back when they get healthy. I guess the story of Wally Pipp means nothing to some coaches. :P

 

I bet Cutler was hoping to get that Flacco ending to his last season under contract. Pfft, that didn't work out so well. Seriously, who wants a guy, who is constantly hurt and can't quarterback a loaded offense better than McCown?

 

I'm just wondering, which stupid GM will sign McCown thinking he can be a starting QB in the NFL without Jeffery, Marshall, Forte and Trestman. Jags might be dumb enough actually.