Suggs and Rice MIA for Interviews After the Loss

[ninpiggy]

At least they didn't say anything they would regret. It's a frustrating time, especially for them. What can Rice really say?

I can understand the frustration but it would have been nice to hear something from them after the game.

[ravensdfan]

Never did understand why media needs a comment minutes after a game when emotions can be sky high/low after a loss. 

Of course after a win it's pretty much no issue but after a bitter loss I don't want to talk to anybody either. Anybody who played in a very competitive sport would understand this.

 

So the entire Jags team gets to skip out after every game?

 

These guys get paid millions to be men not act like little boys after a pee wee league loss.

 

If it was Marlon Brown or Matt Elam, I might give them a pass, but these two are supposed to be veteran leaders on our team.

[varaven]

I for one would prefer the latter. Maybe not as radical as you stated. But something to show us fans that there is still some fire left in our team and players. Have you seen some of the interviews with Suggs lately? He looks dejected. And that's not the T-Sizzle full of swagger that we are all accustomed to...

It would be nice if they did, but they know the consequences of criticizing this team under Harbs. They know that even good players can be placed in his dog house and they cannot speak up, even behind closed doors, if they want a job here next year.

[darklight1216]

After some games I don't even feel like talking to people and I'm not the one who got embarrassed on my home field.

Still though, as someone said, it makes it look as though Ray's comments about leadership might have been right.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Don't really expect much of anything from Ray Rice nowadays. Stinks on the field, pouts on the sidelines. He's been really bad from the 2012 playoffs into this season.

 

I didn't want to be the first to say it, but hes been acting like a baby.

 

Every time they show him on the sideline or after a play hes complaining to a coach or yelling at another player. From the few perspectives I get as a fan, he looks like hes placing the blame for his poor play on anyone but himself. Its the play calling, the scheme, the blocking.... which yes are all part of the problem.

 

But even when there are holes and space, hes been tripping himself or going down at the most minimal contact.

 

Rice IS NOT a leader.

 

Great guy off the field. Has been a great player, and one of my favorite players. But he doesn't seem to deal with adversity well. He spent too much time under Ray's wing and not enough learning how to fly when it comes to leading men.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Like Momma says

" If you cant say any thing nice dont say any thing at all "

 

I respect Rice and Sizzle, for taking the high road.

 

Let them do their talking behind closed doors where it would be most effective.

 

Yea but the key here is - IF you cant say any thing nice....

 

I understand being upset after the loss and not wanting to say anything nice, but as the leaders and veterans they've got to find the comments. To get out of there before interviews means they hustled out of the locker room.

 

While the rest of the team was sitting there dejected with the loss sinking in, the 2 leaders of the team were focused on showering as fast as possible to get away.

 

What does that say to the younger guys who made need that leadership and confidence of a veteran to come over and remind them that theres next week. Or to let them know hey we lost as a team, I'm gonna take the bullet on this one with the media - ill distract them while you guys get out of here.

 

They should be the ones making the sacrifice and taking it on the chin so the rest of the team can get away, not vice versa.

 

I understand the thinking that its not a big deal, and yes we're over analyzing things to a degree. But this is something I definitely feel strongly about.

[funky141]

So the entire Jags team gets to skip out after every game?

 

These guys get paid millions to be men not act like little boys after a pee wee league loss.

 

If it was Marlon Brown or Matt Elam, I might give them a pass, but these two are supposed to be veteran leaders on our team.

I will give a pass to a player every once in a while who dishes the media after a tough loss. Now, if such player does it every week then you might have a argument.

Also comparing the Jags to this is not the same, they know they are going to lose going into the game. 

Everyone compares players to Ray Lewis which in reality is not fair because Ray was a extremely a different breed of a player.  

[ravensdfan]

I will give a pass to a player every once in a while who dishes the media after a tough loss. Now, if such player does it every week then you might have a argument.

Also comparing the Jags to this is not the same, they know they are going to lose going into the game. 

Everyone compares players to Ray Lewis which in reality is not fair because Ray was a extremely a different breed of a player.  

 

We'll agree to disagree. I'd say the same thing if Ray Lewis did it, just for the record. That is not a leadership quality. IMO we found out who the real leader on this team is right now. The one who stood up there, took the heat, and said it's frustrating but we have to find a way to remain positive and move forward. The one who would have taken the bashing of a lifetime by both the media and fans on this board if he had engaged in such childish behavior as Rice & Suggs. Joe Flacco.

[TSizzle00]

Rice was on his way but got bumped on the way and went down :(

[ices]

Whoever is there to relish after the glorious wins should be there to comment after the tough losses.

[The Raven]

They get paid to play, not answer interview questions after games. They don't have to do that at all

[darklight1216]

They get paid to play, not answer interview questions after games. They don't have to do that at all

Actually, players do have to make themselves available for interviews. Randy Moss tried to avoid reporters and was eventually fined 25k.

[77rus]

Never did understand why media needs a comment minutes after a game when emotions can be sky high/low after a loss. 

Of course after a win it's pretty much no issue but after a bitter loss I don't want to talk to anybody either. Anybody who played in a very competitive sport would understand this.

But that's when they get the juiciest tidbits. When all the tempers and the emotions run high, it makes for more interesting headlines

[77rus]

It would be nice if they did, but they know the consequences of criticizing this team under Harbs. They know that even good players can be placed in his dog house and they cannot speak up, even behind closed doors, if they want a job here next year.

I get that. And it might be just me, but why would anyone would want to play for a coach/team/organization that does that?! I would rather speak up and face the consequences and know that at least I tried to do something about it, rather then follow blindly and get demoralized as a result of my nonaction

[The Raven]

Actually, players do have to make themselves available for interviews. Randy Moss tried to avoid reporters and was eventually fined 25k.

Well then. I disagree with that whole premise, but okay.

 

Still don't see what this has to do with leadership though.

[varaven]

I get that. And it might be just me, but why would anyone would want to play for a coach/team/organization that does that?! I would rather speak up and face the consequences and know that at least I tried to do something about it, rather then follow blindly and get demoralized as a result of my nonaction

I guess that just comes down to how Harbaugh handles his locker room. In a couple years we could look back and say this is the reason he fails or succeeds without Ray, who obviously controlled it before.

[Guest Omerta]

So the entire Jags team gets to skip out after every game?

 

These guys get paid millions to be men not act like little boys after a pee wee league loss.

 

If it was Marlon Brown or Matt Elam, I might give them a pass, but these two are supposed to be veteran leaders on our team.

 

False.

 

I have never seen someone get a bonus or a bargaining chip in negotiations for the prowess at interviewing. If you have I would like a frame of reference. They get paid millions to play 60 minutes on a gridiron from whistle to whistle as hard as humanly possible. 

[Guest Omerta]

I never understood why the media ha become such a fixture in locker rooms either. I mean that is the area for the team. Even we as fans are not entitled to that. If they dont want to there should be absolutely nothing making them as we dont participate in drills, OTAS, TC, practice, and locker room antics. If they want to share then that is great. All the media really is doing is promoting the NFL brand. It has absolutely zero value to the product on the field which is what people st aside 3 hours to watch not the 15 minutes after.

 

It really irritates me when fans and other people become so entitled and act like they should no what is going on all the time. If you are not a part of it quit trying to live vicariously through some media schlep who is just going to take things out of context and make them into some head line that is just an empty piece of journalism as it does not lend itself to any context or exposition of the circumstance. 

 

Analysts are the ones that get paid to talk and the broadcasters invite people on for expert advice or player counsel in an "Around The League" format.

 

As to Rice and Suggs, what exactly are people wanting from them ? Do you just want to hear Rice say, "Yeah that was not my best performance and this year has been tragic" ? That is how you end up with sound bites like the infamous "I am a solider" thing like Kellen Winslow. I can imagine their frustration and I think in that instance silence was the better part of valor for the fact if they did speak their mind they would probably both be off the team next season for their participation in this years "mutiny". Absolutely nothing good could have came from them being badgered about something that is not part of their job description. 

 

AS to the leadership. So they are not the worlds greatest leaders. So what. Are they Ray Lewis ? No, but then again who is? If that is the standard for leadership then be prepared for disappointment because nobody before or since will ever quite be Ray. He really personified what it is to be a leader in a locker room, player coach, and peoples champion. If you try to hold people in that light as your frame of reference for what a leader is you will constantly be unsatisfied. 

[ravensdfan]

False.

 

I have never seen someone get a bonus or a bargaining chip in negotiations for the prowess at interviewing. If you have I would like a frame of reference. They get paid millions to play 60 minutes on a gridiron from whistle to whistle as hard as humanly possible. 

 

Please read before you comment. I did not say they get paid to do interviews. I said they get paid to be MEN. Men do not skip out leaving their team mates to take the heat after a tough loss.

 

BTW part of their contract is they are to be available for interviews, so technically, yes, they are paid to do interviews.

[The Raven]

Still not sure what missing one measly post game interview has to do with leadership.

 

Seriously. If someone can actually make a link between interviews and leadership I will admit it. However, I don't see a correlation between team leadership and a media interview. That is downright laughable. So skipping an interview means they aren't holding themselves accountable? That's freaking nonsensical. 

 

By the way, I remember reading that Ray Lewis skipped the interview after the AFCCG loss.

[Guest Omerta]

Please read before you comment. I did not say they get paid to do interviews. I said they get paid to be MEN. Men do not skip out leaving their team mates to take the heat after a tough loss.

 

BTW part of their contract is they are to be available for interviews, so technically, yes, they are paid to do interviews.

Tale your own advice. I never said you did say that.

 

My point was how is doing an interview some sort of rite of passage into manhood ? 

 

And no it is not in their contract at all in the majority of cases. I hate it when people say that. It is so far from the truth and just pure laziness to not do your homework.

 

The regulation regarding this is the media relations subsection of the NFL player policy manual. Which explicitly states that they can require a MAXIMUM of two and the majority of the time one is all you need. These players will be made available 12 minutes after the game and they must leave their name plate and the number visible during the interview.  The duration of the interview is up to the player.

 

Also one player must be available for practice once a week. Again the duration is up to the player. 

 

It is not a contract clause in the majority of cases.

 

Suggs has fulfilled this obligation more than enough times and it is high time some of these other cats stand in front of the lights. The fact the media is allowed in there is garbage anyway. WE had our 2 people speaking, the Ravens were in compliance and Suggs was under no obligation from the team or NFL to be there by there own policy.

[Guest Omerta]

Please read before you comment. I did not say they get paid to do interviews. I said they get paid to be MEN. Men do not skip out leaving their team mates to take the heat after a tough loss.

 

BTW part of their contract is they are to be available for interviews, so technically, yes, they are paid to do interviews.

 

I never said you did, if you read my comment.

 

My point was how is doing an interview some sort of rite of passage into manhood ? 

 

And no it is not in their contract at all in the majority of cases. I hate it when people say that. It is so far from the truth and just pure laziness to not do your homework.

 

The regulation regarding this is the media relations subsection of the NFL player policy manual. Which explicitly states that they can require a MAXIMUM of two and the majority of the time one is all you need. These players will be made available 12 minutes after the game and they must leave their name plate and the number visible during the interview.  The duration of the interview is up to the player.

 

Also one player must be available for practice once a week. Again the duration is up to the player. 

 

It is not a contract clause in the majority of cases.

 

Suggs has fulfilled this obligation more than enough times and it is high time some of these other cats stand in front of the lights. The fact the media is allowed in there is garbage anyway. WE had our 2 people speaking, the Ravens were in compliance and Suggs was under no obligation from the team or NFL to be there by there own policy.

[ravensdfan]

Tale your own advice. I never said you did say that.

 

My point was how is doing an interview some sort of rite of passage into man hood. 

 

And no it is not in their contract at all in the majority of cases. I hate it when people say that. It is so far from the truth and just pure laziness to not do your homework.

 

The regulation regarding this is the media relations subsection of the NFL player policy manual. Which explicitly states that they can require a MAXIMUM of two and the majority of the time one is all you need. These players will be maid available 12 minutes after the game and they must leave their name plate and the number visible during the interview.  The duration of the interview is up to the player.

 

Also one player must be available for practice once a week. Again the duration is up to the player. 

 

It is not a contract clause in the majority of cases.

 

Player policy manual is the same as your employee handbook at your job. These are the things expected of you for which you receive your pay. You are just playing semantics really.

 

They were not even in the locker room, not just missing from the podium, which means they made a point to be the first ones out of there in a hurry. That is childish any way you look at it.

 

As I already stated, if Flacco had tried to pull that stunt after the Buffalo game, he'd be hung out to dry around here, but Rice & Suggs get a pass for anything and everything.

 

In fact, even before post game, everyone was saying how he better stand up, be a man and own his mistakes. Guess as usual, that only applies to Flacco around here.

 

How do you think that looks to all the young players on this team? After a tough loss like that on top of the kind of start this team has had? That two of the most veteran leaders just up and take off?

[Guest Omerta]

Player policy manual is the same as your employee handbook at your job. These are the things expected of you for which you receive your pay. You are just playing semantics really.

 

They were not even in the locker room, not just missing from the podium, which means they made a point to be the first ones out of there in a hurry. That is childish any way you look at it.

 

As I already stated, if Flacco had tried to pull that stunt after the Buffalo game, he'd be hung out to dry around here, but Rice & Suggs get a pass for anything and everything.

 

In fact, even before post game, everyone was saying how he better stand up, be a man and own his mistakes. Guess as usual, that only applies to Flacco around here.

 

How do you think that looks to all the young players on this team? After a tough loss like that on top of the kind of start this team has had? That two of the most veteran leaders just up and take off?

 

I am aware of what it is. And yes that is a fair comparison, but they are not obligated to do it and receive no royalties for it. It is not semantics in the fact that it is a TEAM responsibility to ensure people with media demand are at the podium. In most locker rooms the coach will leave it to the players. Apparently though on these boards the team concept is kind of an unfamiliar term. The group, collectively, as a unit, cohesively, has to produce two people for interviews. Not Suggs every time.

 

I am a Flacco fan so I am not sure where the it only applies to Flacco thing is from. I love Joe so if he wants to do it great, if not Torrey, Webb, Suggs, Ngata, Ray, Yanda, Vonta, and a few other cats can do it. There is no reason for them to bare the sole responsibility of dealing with media hacks. I think Suggs has dealt with Skip more than enough times to warrant at least one break from the media and just go home.

 

Those young players need to be worrying about playing the game, NOT what interviews should look like. 

[flaccopoe]

Are players and coaches contractually obligated to talk to the press?  Because I would avoid them altogether, for fear of having a Singletary-esque meltdown.  Press conferences can only hurt your organization.

[Guest Omerta]

Are players and coaches contractually obligated to talk to the press?  Because I would avoid them altogether, for fear of having a Singletary-esque meltdown.  Press conferences can only hurt your organization.

 

Generally, unlike the players there is no dividing the load when it comes to the media as a head coach. You will be available 4 times a week for practices, and after every game according to policy. There is much less leniency afforded to HC's.

[Militant X 1]

Still not sure what missing one measly post game interview has to do with leadership.

 

Seriously. If someone can actually make a link between interviews and leadership I will admit it. However, I don't see a correlation between team leadership and a media interview. That is downright laughable. So skipping an interview means they aren't holding themselves accountable? That's freaking nonsensical. 

 

By the way, I remember reading that Ray Lewis skipped the interview after the AFCCG loss.

I think that you are being way too "technical" with this whole doing interviews means leadership thing.  these cats are grown ash (you know what I mean by the word "ash") men!  of course, they don't have to do an interview if they chose not to!  and like I mentioned in the opening post; I understand that they were probably pissed and didn't want to say anything. understood!   however, to me; the "timing"" of both Suggs and Rice (Ravens veterans) skipping out on the media after a loss at the same time is interesting!  that's all!  only time will tell I guess!  but again, I was just very disappointed in their no show cause I love to hear from our guys after a win or a loss. 

 

#Mili

[The Raven]

I think that you are being way too "technical" with this whole doing interviews means leadership thing.  these cats are grown ash (you know what I mean by the word "ash") men!  of course, they don't have to do an interview if they chose not to!  and like I mentioned in the opening post; I understand that they were probably pissed and didn't want to say anything. understood!   however, to me; the "timing"" of both Suggs and Rice (Ravens veterans) skipping out on the media after a loss at the same time is interesting!  that's all!  only time will tell I guess!  but again, I was just very disappointed in their no show cause I love to hear from our guys after a win or a loss. 

 

#Mili

 

I'll see you there. I like to hear from our guys. I just don't hold it against them if they stay silent.

[ratedr]

Rice has been MIA since 4th and 29.

[ratedr]

oh man I WISH Flacco skipped out on an interview. Hardbaugh, RBates, edreedfromtheu and the like would have had a field day.