Asa Jackson

[arnie_uk]

So the latest is he has been reinstated and we get a one week roster exemption. We currently have an open spot now that KO is IRd, so it's probable that Asa is activated this week.

From my limited Vewing of this kid, he can tackle, works well in space and has decent hands and ball skills. Has he always been a corner or was he like Webb, a corner/safety type? Be interesting to see could he play free safety

[Poes Crows]

So the latest is he has been reinstated and we get a one week roster exemption. We currently have an open spot now that KO is IRd, so it's probable that Asa is activated this week.

From my limited Vewing of this kid, he can tackle, works well in space and has decent hands and ball skills. Has he always been a corner or was he like Webb, a corner/safety type? Be interesting to see could he play free safety

 

Safety?

 

He's just a smidgeon taller than Cleats and about half as robust.

 

He's a corner.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

was thinking on the same lines, arnie... on the other thread for nnamdi... what are we to do with Asa

Grim thinks Graham is most suited for a go at FS, but I'd put Asa there tbh and switch elam to ss

lad's fast with good closing speed, seems to be around the ball a lot and can lay a decent tackle for his stature

[berad]

He had a tremendous pre-season and, if he kept in shape, I would expect to see him a good amount.

[jazz1988]

Safety?

 

He's just a smidgeon taller than Cleats and about half as robust.

 

He's a corner.

 

Asa Jackson is 5'10" there are ,plenty 5'10" free safeties out there whom are good

[GrimCoconut]

Safety?

He's just a smidgeon taller than Cleats and about half as robust.

He's a corner.

You think you're some kind of authority but you're not.

As fit the topic I'm not sure. I'd prefer him at nickel but he'll most likely be used as a ST player early on and used to ease him back into the game. I think Graham continues to stay over him though I'd prefer him to go out of the gate. It's probably best for him to ease back in to the game.

[pitchblack_20]

I think he stays at corner in the slot. Webb and Jimmy on the outside with Asa in the slot.

[Bltravens]

Asa's a nickel corner.  Bunch of guys have complained about Graham's play this year, well this is the only kid who has a chance to be better than Graham.  Play him in the slot in the nickel and let's find out.


 

[GrimCoconut]

was thinking on the same lines, arnie... on the other thread for nnamdi... what are we to do with Asa
Grim thinks Graham is most suited for a go at FS, but I'd put Asa there tbh and switch elam to ss
lad's fast with good closing speed, seems to be around the ball a lot and can lay a decent tackle for his stature

I thought I replied to this topic once? Did someone delete my post? Perhaps I'm confusing topics. There are a lot of topics where thoughts are bleeding together.

I remember Corey Graham was used at FS while Ed Reed was gone during our training camp. Now I'm not sure nor am I saying we should put Graham at FS. Just saying that we've used him there once and so have the Bears during their training camp. In addition to that Corey has shown me that he could possibly play the role and may be best in it. He got interceptions last year. I think he was in some when he got them. He's typically a good tackler.

I'd rather put Asa at CB but I just want him to play. I loved what I saw from him and he reminds me of Webb, though I ultimately expect the Ravens to ease him back into the game. That's my guess.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

I thought I replied to this topic once? Did someone delete my post? Perhaps I'm confusing topics. There are a lot of topics where thoughts are bleeding together.

I remember Corey Graham was used at FS while Ed Reed was gone during our training camp. Now I'm not sure nor am I saying we should put Graham at FS. Just saying that we've used him there once and so have the Bears during their training camp. In addition to that Corey has shown me that he could possibly play the role and may be best in it. He got interceptions last year. I think he was in some when he got them. He's typically a good tackler.

I'd rather put Asa at CB but I just want him to play. I loved what I saw from him and he reminds me of Webb, though I ultimately expect the Ravens to ease him back into the game. That's my guess.

 

we've discussed similar approaches to the secondary on the "sign nnamdi" thread lol

i don't think there will be any major changes in how we use the personnel this year though and find it difficult to see Graham being a raven next year...

[gabefergy]

Funny how everyone thought Asa would be cut when he was suspended. Now everyone is singing a different tune lol. I've always liked him, and I definitely think he can come in and contribute for us.

[GrimCoconut]

Funny how everyone thought Asa would be cut when he was suspended. Now everyone is singing a different tune lol. I've always liked him, and I definitely think he can come in and contribute for us.

I wasn't in that group. Not that it matters but it's always good to reserve passing premature judgment, a lesson I learned first hand many times lol. I agree though. I've always liked him. He's got talent.

[arnie_uk]

Funny how everyone thought Asa would be cut when he was suspended. Now everyone is singing a different tune lol. I've always liked him, and I definitely think he can come in and contribute for us.

I wasn't in that group either, why would you suspend someone for a stupid mistake when it will never happen again because he now has medical clearance?

[arnie_uk]

Safety?
 
He's just a smidgeon taller than Cleats and about half as robust.
 
He's a corner.

ray Lewis is too small and slow. Lie down about size will you

[The Raven]

Asa's a nickel corner.  Bunch of guys have complained about Graham's play this year, well this is the only kid who has a chance to be better than Graham.  Play him in the slot in the nickel and let's find out.


 

 

Exactly what I was thinking. Asa might be finding himself in the nickel in a few weeks.

[izvoodoo]

ray Lewis is too small and slow. Lie down about size will you

Elam is like... the same size as Eric Weddle.  Sure Weddle's length of size/length hurts him some times but it doesn't stop him from being effective.

[jazz1988]

Elam is like... the same size as Eric Weddle.  Sure Weddle's length of size/length hurts him some times but it doesn't stop him from being effective.

 

You right I think he lead the league  interceptions in 2011

[DomMcRaven]

Guys please don't neg for this:

 

Without further ado, here's my spin on those DirecTV commercials. When our running game stinks and our head coach says it's improving, he's delusional. When he's delusional, the running game continues to suffer. When the running game continues to suffer, our offense becomes one-dimensional. When our offense becomes one-dimensional, it results in three-and-outs and unsustainable drives. When we keep go three-and-out and not sustain drives, our anti-takeaway defense (with Asa Jackson included) sees more of the field. When our anti-takeaway defense sees more of the field, they become winded. When they become winded, they can't stop anybody when it counts most. When they can't stop anybody when it counts most, we lose football games. When we lose football games, you become unhappy. When you become unhappy, you start to throw your remote control at your TV. When you you start to throw your remote control at your TV, your TV catches fire. When your TV catches fire, you run like Speedy Gonzales to flee from your house. And when you flee from your house, your house explodes in a fiery blaze. Don't let your house explode in a fiery blaze. Get rid of cable and upgrade to DirecTV. Lol jk. 

 

In all seriousness though, how much of a difference will Asa Jackson make? I like him and he looked well in preseason. If our running game still stinks up the joint, our defense will struggle to stop anyone in the fourth quarter no matter how many snaps Asa plays. We'll see what happens against Cincy. 

[jdynamite]

Safety?

He's just a smidgeon taller than Cleats and about half as robust.

He's a corner.

He's about the same size as D.McCourty whom was moved to safety by patriots ( not saying he's as skilled as McCourty ) just speaking in terms of size body type.

[sflegend89]

Asa is a good player but I think the scheme is just out of whack and there's not much evidence it's going to change on either side of the ball. Webb and Jimmy are good press-man cb's.. they aren't suited to be chasing wr's around all day while the qb sits back and picks his spots. We should be rushing 5 a clip on almost every down, force the qb to get rid of the ball quick and make the right read on down after down. If we did that we would have 2x the amount of int's this season, 

 

I think Asa makes an impact on ST.. he can only help so much as a CB3/4 when the scheme itself is broken. Remember when we had "exotic" blitzes? Rex Ryan and Pagano always schemed to put pressure on the QB and forced him to challenge our db's on the wr's initial break. We have Suggs, Doom, Upshaw, Canty, Ngata, Arthur Jones, McPhee and we're sitting back in coverage every game? Not to mention guys like Daryl Smith, Brown, Elam, Digz, Webb that have all shown they can be great blitzers on passing downs.

[The Mom Gene]

You right I think he lead the league interceptions in 2011

Lam was great in Fl. He has always talked about being a Raven. He's glad to be in Baltimore. Asa Jackson was great in the preseason.

[gabefergy]

Asa is a good player but I think the scheme is just out of whack and there's not much evidence it's going to change on either side of the ball. Webb and Jimmy are good press-man cb's.. they aren't suited to be chasing wr's around all day while the qb sits back and picks his spots. We should be rushing 5 a clip on almost every down, force the qb to get rid of the ball quick and make the right read on down after down. If we did that we would have 2x the amount of int's this season,

I think Asa makes an impact on ST.. he can only help so much as a CB3/4 when the scheme itself is broken. Remember when we had "exotic" blitzes? Rex Ryan and Pagano always schemed to put pressure on the QB and forced him to challenge our db's on the wr's initial break. We have Suggs, Doom, Upshaw, Canty, Ngata, Arthur Jones, McPhee and we're sitting back in coverage every game? Not to mention guys like Daryl Smith, Brown, Elam, Digz, Webb that have all shown they can be great blitzers on passing downs.

I think Webb is a good press corner when healthy, but I think there are still lingering effects. I mean Revis just came out and said he is just now feeling healthy enough to press and he was hurt before Webb.

Jimmy is also on the record saying he doesn't really like press coverage. He prefers to mirror.

[Poes Crows]

ray Lewis is too small and slow. Lie down about size will you

 

No

 

A safety in the modern NFL needs to have some length to him.  He's going up against guys like AJ Green, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald, Alshon Jeffery.  (Our Safeties will face two of those in the coming weeks and you may come to appreciate the point.) 

 

Not only is a small safety going up against those tall lanky receivers, he can't lay a real lick on them. He can't dislodge the ball at the last instant with even a shoulder to body hit just as the ball arrives without risking a "hitting a defenseless receiver" penalty.  Now, as described, that's not really a penalty but it is being called as such.

 

What a modern NFL safety must have in his last line of pass defense arsenal is the ability to go up and contest the reception by knocking it away.  Now, if you don't understand that don't worry, because Ozzie Newsome doesn't either.

 

Asa is an athlete but he's too small for the task.  We needed to trade up for Eric Reid, but that's another topic.

[rmw10]

No

 

A safety in the modern NFL needs to have some length to him.  He's going up against guys like AJ Green, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald, Alshon Jeffery.  (Our Safeties will face two of those in the coming weeks and you may come to appreciate the point.) 

 

Not only is a small safety going up against those tall lanky receivers, he can't lay a real lick on them. He can't dislodge the ball at the last instant with even a shoulder to body hit just as the ball arrives without risking a "hitting a defenseless receiver" penalty.  Now, as described, that's not really a penalty but it is being called as such.

 

What a modern NFL safety must have in his last line of pass defense arsenal is the ability to go up and contest the reception by knocking it away.  Now, if you don't understand that don't worry, because Ozzie Newsome doesn't either.

 

Asa is an athlete but he's too small for the task.  We needed to trade up for Eric Reid, but that's another topic.

 

This could not be any more wrong.

[GrimCoconut]

No

 

A safety in the modern NFL needs to have some length to him.  He's going up against guys like AJ Green, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald, Alshon Jeffery.  (Our Safeties will face two of those in the coming weeks and you may come to appreciate the point.) 

 

Not only is a small safety going up against those tall lanky receivers, he can't lay a real lick on them. He can't dislodge the ball at the last instant with even a shoulder to body hit just as the ball arrives without risking a "hitting a defenseless receiver" penalty.  Now, as described, that's not really a penalty but it is being called as such.

 

What a modern NFL safety must have in his last line of pass defense arsenal is the ability to go up and contest the reception by knocking it away.  Now, if you don't understand that don't worry, because Ozzie Newsome doesn't either.

 

Asa is an athlete but he's too small for the task.  We needed to trade up for Eric Reid, but that's another topic.

Ed Reed, Eric Weddle, Reggie Nelson are all 5'11". Jairus Byrd, Earl Thomas, TJ Ward are 5'10". I'm not going to keep going but these are some good company. Weddle, Reed, Byrd, Thomas, Ward are some of the best or were some of the best. You really don't know what you're saying. You spew rhetoric as if it's gospel but it's not. In reality, you really haven't a clue and you're drinking your own Kool-aid. 

[easternshore97]

Ed Reed, Eric Weddle, Reggie Nelson are all 5'11". Jairus Byrd, Earl Thomas, TJ Ward are 5'10". I'm not going to keep going but these are some good company. Weddle, Reed, Byrd, Thomas, Ward are some of the best or were some of the best. You really don't know what you're saying. You spew rhetoric as if it's gospel but it's not. In reality, you really haven't a clue and you're drinking your own Kool-aid. 

Now now Grim...

 

You mean to tell me that if the Ravens went and acquired 6'3" Taylor Mays, you don't think he'd make an impact? :th_327321_Spy_23x22: :tmnt:

[easternshore97]

This could not be any more wrong.

Yeah but Steve Atwater was 6'3"....

 

...you know....

 

...that...matters...right?...kind of?...

 

:th_327321_Spy_23x22: :tmnt:

[izvoodoo]

Yeah but Steve Atwater was 6'3"....

 

...you know....

 

...that...matters...right?...kind of?...

 

:th_327321_Spy_23x22: :tmnt:

Hey so was Sean Taylor.

but man Sean had game

[easternshore97]

Hey so was Sean Taylor.

but man Sean had game

Please refrain from attempting to take away from the imbedded sarcasm.

[Inqui]

I haven't seen much of the guy, but I'm going to go on the record and say I don't think he'll be all that flash for at least a few weeks. We all know how tough it is to play CB (Jimmy's living proof of that), nickel even more so, and I'd be surprised if he fitted in seamlessly with no growing pains. And no matter how freakishly talented or experienced he is, there'll be rust after sitting out for nine weeks.

 

Not to say he'll be a bad player long-term, but I'm not buying into the optimism I'm reading here just yet. I get the feeling his ceiling for the year will be a decent ST player and an apprentice corner given the chance to show what he can do and improve ahead of next season.