Do they hear us or not?

[johnmike72]

That's not going to happen.  We have a true fanbase, not a group of fair weather fans.

Is that the same fan base that has Booed the Ravens at home on a number of occasions?

[berad]

Is that the same fan base that has Booed the Ravens at home on a number of occasions?

The same ones that poured out in the tens of thousands to shut down Baltimore for the parade. Passionate.

[Guest Omerta]

That has always been my issue with people that want Coaches fired or players gone. They never post their solution to their perceived problems.
So I'm glad to see you post that like okay who do you want to replace him then?

It's like when I use to complain about Cam I would always talk about lack of route diversity and how adding slants, seams, more crossing patterns could help out the offense ( just to add suggestions ).

 

I may be off base here and I certainly dont want to speak for others or try to impute thoughts to people lack of words, but as for coaches who I would want other than Harbaugh there are only two realistic candidates. I mean there are plenty of people but they are in situations I dont see them leaving.

 

The first is Ray Horton. I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY like Ray Horton. I think h would bring Baltimores swagger on defense back. Some people will ridicule using the term swagger in a post that should be more from a factual standpoint, but at the end of the day I think that is a lot of whats missing. People will dismiss and maybe rightfully so as it is not quantifiable. That being said the defense from 2006 just kind of had the attitude of " You come in here, get shutdown, and then you will go home sore." I mean that is probably a bit simplistic all things considered, but it used to be our hallmark and I miss it. As to his coaching prowess the thing I like about him the most is his ability to cut the learning curve for rookies. I mean while not all credit can be given to him because it is still a personal decision on the players part to be coachable and put in the necessary effort to excel in this league, he does a good job of providing motivation. It seems like Arizona had some young guys who for all intents and purposes through the middle of the season were playing as a cohesive unit and were pretty good as a unit. I mean he made DRC look really good. 

 

The second is to piggy back of the last sentence. He has a really innate ability to coach up a secondary and his credentials from a player stand point can point us in the most likely direction of why. There is some validity to the talent standpoint but some of the schemes he put together on the back end alone were subtly innovative. I mean they dont make the media reels because it is not as juicy as who is sleeping with who or who said what, but from a football purists standpoint it is pretty exciting to watch. He has that browns defense playing fast and controlled. Granted he had some good pieces to start like Joe Haden, Phil Taylor, and DQ52, but it is still a really good defense.

 

I like his style I guess is a simple way to put it. 

 

The other is Scott Frost. I know some people wonder why I would go witha  college OC instead of the head coach but I really do believe that Scoot Frost is one of the best minds in college football. First is his pedigree. He has been coached by the likes of Bill Walsh, Tom Osbourne, and Bill Parcells. I mean looking at that he got some of the best from the best offensive minds and defensive minds of his era. I have been to a few coaching conferences and some symposiums about defensive and offensive schemes and I watch Scott Frost with a keen eye. Not to say I am anywhere near his level but watching him is something that brings me great joy. I love how the receivers he had are willing AND able blockers dowfield. I like how he simplifies complex schemes to make it easy for his teams to seamlessly put up points without people being there. I mean it is no coincidence that he has some of the best perimeter rushing attacks in college for a number of years. Now some of that is on players no doubt but watching his receivers go bleck and the way they positioned their body and feet on runs were great.

 

He really is a true student of the game because he has coached defense and offense and he has definitely learned some things from Kelly and Helfrich and started with a good foundation for a west coast offense. Watching him on Sundays blend his skills with guys who generally dont do much at the pros inspires confidence for me. His coaching really makes me excited about the mental aspects ALMOST as much as the final scoreboard.

 

In a dream scenario one replaces Harbaugh the other replaces Caldwell. I know it is a long shot to thep oint where it wont happen but it is nice to think about with our personnel what both mena could do.

[rmw10]

Is that the same fan base that has Booed the Ravens at home on a number of occasions?

 

^ What berad said.  It's passion.

[SecretAgentMan]

No they don't freaking hear us, and thank God they don't. If Harbs and Ozzie did the things you crazy coots said we'd be 0-8, not 3-5.

Praise the lord above. We have a voice of reason!

[gabefergy]

I guess I thought Gabe had a mind of his own or do you speak for him? If so, why don't you merge your comments into his. His make much more sense than yours, Wiley.

Yeah...you have a broken sarcasm detector. Lol

[gabefergy]

So if the fans stop going to games, which mean a loss in revenue, will they listen to some extent then?

That's the absolute definition of a spoiled, fairweather fan base. I like to think we are better than that.

[BirdWatcher]

So if the fans stop going to games, which mean a loss in revenue, will they listen to some extent then?

That would take YEARS of losing.

[Jokerraven]

Fans won't stop going , I won't we love the game win or lose . The one thing I don't get is fans calling for coaches to be fired then naming coaches that were fired from other teams . weren't they fired for a reason ? Ok andy reid is the exception but come on now he walked into a kinda sweet deal there that team was already stocked with probowlers. I know it seems like a lot right now everyone loves to win  I do think we are trying to change things. Sunday we did see man to man more . Not a fan of the shotgun but if it works and helps us win then try it .

[jdynamite]

I may be off base here and I certainly dont want to speak for others or try to impute thoughts to people lack of words, but as for coaches who I would want other than Harbaugh there are only two realistic candidates. I mean there are plenty of people but they are in situations I dont see them leaving.

The first is Ray Horton. I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY like Ray Horton. I think h would bring Baltimores swagger on defense back. Some people will ridicule using the term swagger in a post that should be more from a factual standpoint, but at the end of the day I think that is a lot of whats missing. People will dismiss and maybe rightfully so as it is not quantifiable. That being said the defense from 2006 just kind of had the attitude of " You come in here, get shutdown, and then you will go home sore." I mean that is probably a bit simplistic all things considered, but it used to be our hallmark and I miss it. As to his coaching prowess the thing I like about him the most is his ability to cut the learning curve for rookies. I mean while not all credit can be given to him because it is still a personal decision on the players part to be coachable and put in the necessary effort to excel in this league, he does a good job of providing motivation. It seems like Arizona had some young guys who for all intents and purposes through the middle of the season were playing as a cohesive unit and were pretty good as a unit. I mean he made DRC look really good.

The second is to piggy back of the last sentence. He has a really innate ability to coach up a secondary and his credentials from a player stand point can point us in the most likely direction of why. There is some validity to the talent standpoint but some of the schemes he put together on the back end alone were subtly innovative. I mean they dont make the media reels because it is not as juicy as who is sleeping with who or who said what, but from a football purists standpoint it is pretty exciting to watch. He has that browns defense playing fast and controlled. Granted he had some good pieces to start like Joe Haden, Phil Taylor, and DQ52, but it is still a really good defense.

I like his style I guess is a simple way to put it.

The other is Scott Frost. I know some people wonder why I would go witha college OC instead of the head coach but I really do believe that Scoot Frost is one of the best minds in college football. First is his pedigree. He has been coached by the likes of Bill Walsh, Tom Osbourne, and Bill Parcells. I mean looking at that he got some of the best from the best offensive minds and defensive minds of his era. I have been to a few coaching conferences and some symposiums about defensive and offensive schemes and I watch Scott Frost with a keen eye. Not to say I am anywhere near his level but watching him is something that brings me great joy. I love how the receivers he had are willing AND able blockers dowfield. I like how he simplifies complex schemes to make it easy for his teams to seamlessly put up points without people being there. I mean it is no coincidence that he has some of the best perimeter rushing attacks in college for a number of years. Now some of that is on players no doubt but watching his receivers go bleck and the way they positioned their body and feet on runs were great.

He really is a true student of the game because he has coached defense and offense and he has definitely learned some things from Kelly and Helfrich and started with a good foundation for a west coast offense. Watching him on Sundays blend his skills with guys who generally dont do much at the pros inspires confidence for me. His coaching really makes me excited about the mental aspects ALMOST as much as the final scoreboard.

In a dream scenario one replaces Harbaugh the other replaces Caldwell. I know it is a long shot to thep oint where it wont happen but it is nice to think about with our personnel what both mena could do.

You've definitely thought about this huh. I definitely understand what you meant as in swagger related reasoning. The defensive unit had that "IT-factor" feel with Rex then IMO it wasn't quite right under Mattison and for that one year with under Pagano " it was back" can't explain it.
Also even if someone disagrees with your choices, they should at least understand why you like them as candidates given your explanation.

[TSizzle00]

Except that isn't the case and the facts don't support it.

 

In Pittsburgh the defense didn't get off the field the entire game. The Steelers punted only once on their opening drive.

They've given up over 100 yds (or better) on the ground for four straight games.

For three straight games the defense hasn't been able to get off the field in the last 8, 6 or 7 minutes of a game to even give the offense a chance to win or tie the game.

 

No Ray or Ed wouldn't be helping any IMO but this isn't all on offense either. This is certainly NOT a case of our defense being first class and our offense lacking.

 

Defense is certainly not all star but the lack of running game and constant 3 and outs have to be gassing them in games. That was the case earlier in the season. My original argument anyway was not having Ray Lewis isn't the reason the Ravens are 3-5. So many more problems then that.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Name a great coach who doesn't have a lot of talent on the roster. I'm not holding my breath...

That's easy. Don Shula had an undefeated team in Miami with a defense nicknamed "The No Name Defense."
Can you name the defensive front four without looking in your book of statistics? Coach Vince Lombardi inherited a bunch of ragamuffins in Green Bay and Washington. He turned losing teams into winners. He molded the players into champions. There have been plenty of other examples. Tom Coughlin has been pretty good getting the most out of his players. Mike Shanahan did a pretty good job last year with a rookie QB. After starting the season 3-6, the Redskins finished with seven wins in a row. Our team last year was far more talented than his team. Coach Harbaugh isn't anywhere close to being mentioned in the same breath with the above-named coaches. Have you noticed that Shanahan always seems to develop more than one running back on his teams? That's not a coincidence.
Its getting the most out of the players you have. Of course, the teams have some talent. Its up to the HC to recognize it and use it wisely. Here's one thing you can take to the bank: We will not run the table in the 2nd half. The 7-2 scenario looks pretty dim at this point. Wouldn't you agree? If Coach Harbaugh somehow manages to rally the troops and get them to the playoffs, I'll eat my Ravens hat and some crow. I just don't see it happening with his leadership style, which is "its my way or the highway."

[ravensdfan]

Defense is certainly not all star but the lack of running game and constant 3 and outs have to be gassing them in games. That was the case earlier in the season. My original argument anyway was not having Ray Lewis isn't the reason the Ravens are 3-5. So many more problems then that.

 

Nope doesn't float.

 

Were they gassed the entire Pitt game? Where the only time the Steelers punted was their first possession? Hard to blame that on the offense.

Were they gassed in the first quarter of the Browns' game? Where they allowed them to march down the field with ease and score two TDs? How is that on the offense?

 

Furthermore, we've led in TOP (which is what you are inferring when you speak about being "gassed" by 3 and outs) in three of our five losses before the defense allowed the opponent to take one clock killing drive down the field and could not get the offense the ball back at the end of the game.

[JoeyFlex5]

*Opinion here...  I live in FL, was talking to a friend who is a Steelers fan.  He made an interesting statement today.  Now, You really gotta feel bad for them getting a 50+ burger put up on them yesterday...  but anyway, his statement made a lot of sense... A fellow football fan from Cincy said... 

 

"You Steelers and Ravens fans are whining?, Really?...  Us (Bengals), and the Browns have been at the bottom for years, you guys have one bad season and you think the world is ending".....  The browns are the only franchise in the league that haven't made it to a Super Bowl".

 

Reality???  He's kinda right.  But, yes we do expect a lot from our team.  We expect our team to hear us and listen.  And we have a lot of young players, and a couple newer coaches...  Do we need help?  Absolutely, but we must be patient... 

thank you. its incredibly frustrating to watch us lose the same way week in and week out, but everyone seems to think this isn't a rebuilding year. we have so many new players at new positions, new coaches, key part of our offense injured, and our running game just completely fell apart thanks to a idiot coach that just stepped in and scrapped our effective running scheme from the past 17 years.

 

we as fans, cat expect a super bowl every year just bcause we won one last season. lets not turn on the team, hope that Castillo gets fired, and hope we draft a dominant rookie next year at C, G, FS, DT, DE, or CB, and whatever position we don't address with the draft, lets hope our young guys develop by next year.

 

be satisfied with an amazing super bowl run for now, we will be back in the thick of things next season. we have a ton of young guys with so much talent. once matt elam gets to his natural position, watch out, let the game slow down for art brown, watch out, if kapron lewis moore is back at 100% next season, watch out. theres just so many young guys I can name who make our future look like a bright one. be patient guys

[Inqui]

If we could run the ball we could burn clock score more points and keep the Defense off the field. Do you know what the best defense in the NFL is? Your offense!

Matt Schaub would like a word.

[Real Ravens Fan]

Matt Schaub would like a word.

Lol, I think his starting days are over! I think he thought he was playing defense this year. lol

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

don't know IF "they" have the time to hear "us" or not, but I sure like to see Monroe signed before the regular season comes to past...

[PurpleCityLights]

Ed Reed is going to get booed out of Texas playing as bad as the Ravens knew he would (which is why they didn't resign him) and Ray Lewis(leadership aside) was a liability on defense last season. The facts do not add up to support the Ravens rode Ray Lewis to the SB or even in the SB. Last years defense was one of their worse in the 5 year stretch Harbs has been here. If Ray Lewis was here the only difference is the run defense would be a little better. I loved Ray and Reed as much as anyone but as I said before Ray Lewis did not carry this team to a SB last year. How do you know they don't have a winning mentality? Having a winning mentality does not automatically win FB games. Ravens losses/injuries/down years on the offensive side of the ball are why the Ravens are 3-5. Ray Lewis has NEVER made the Baltimore Ravens offense better no matter how amazing his defenses were. They had an amazing defense for years and still went 8-8 or worse, the problem is once more on the offensive side of the ball.

They have benched Reed for this weeks game so FO may have been right in not signing him back.

[Poes Crows]

*Opinion here...  I live in FL, was talking to a friend who is a Steelers fan.  He made an interesting statement today.  Now, You really gotta feel bad for them getting a 50+ burger put up on them yesterday...  but anyway, his statement made a lot of sense... A fellow football fan from Cincy said... 

 

"You Steelers and Ravens fans are whining?, Really?...  Us (Bengals), and the Browns have been at the bottom for years, you guys have one bad season and you think the world is ending".....  The browns are the only franchise in the league that haven't made it to a Super Bowl".

 

Reality???  He's kinda right.  But, yes we do expect a lot from our team.  We expect our team to hear us and listen.  And we have a lot of young players, and a couple newer coaches...  Do we need help?  Absolutely, but we must be patient... 

Detroit has never been to the modern Championship Game either.

[Poes Crows]

They have benched Reed for this weeks game so FO may have been right in not signing him back.

 

Hmmmmm.....

 

Our Front Office being right?.....this season?

 

Highly unlikely

 

Ed Reed would look pretty good in our secondary right now.

[ROH522155]

HarBooo is way to Prideful to fire his BFF. Who suffers? Us Fans that pay his salary. He should listen, if he wants to stay in B-more, because Bishotti won't let this last long IMHO.

 

Harbooo? Some of you really need to grow up.

[ROH522155]

I believe we are witnessing the beginning of the end of the Harbaugh era in Bmore. IMO I believe we are witnessing an ont the field mutiny of the coaching staff. Before you neg me, watch the film.

Who on the field is giving 110%?

The real question is, are the players Hearing Harbaugh, or is it falling on deaf ears? There are guys who just are not having fun playing football on this team anymore. Not buyung into the message, the cracks have become craters now.

 

9/11 was an inside job.

[TSizzle00]

Hmmmmm.....

 

Our Front Office being right?.....this season?

 

Highly unlikely

 

Ed Reed would look pretty good in our secondary right now.

 

The #1 defense benched him, Ravens FO and now the Texans know Reed is done. As much as I like Ed Reed he cannot play at a high enough level anymore.

[Poes Crows]

The #1 defense benched him, Ravens FO and now the Texans know Reed is done. As much as I like Ed Reed he cannot play at a high enough level anymore.

 

Level is the whole issue isn't it?

 

Just how high do you believe our Level of Safety play is?

 

LMAO

 

The Key Play in the Texans / Colts game was the 58 yard easy score to Hilton.  Benched is a strong word. Reed played 32 snaps but was not on field for that one. 

 

There's room for Ed Reed on this Baltimore Ravens Team.

[Poes Crows]

Harbooo? Some of you really need to grow up.

 

Theres a growing level of discontent with all things Raven Management.

 

This season is it going to increase or decrease?

[Poes Crows]

That's easy. Don Shula had an undefeated team in Miami with a defense nicknamed "The No Name Defense."
Can you name the defensive front four without looking in your book of statistics? Coach Vince Lombardi inherited a bunch of ragamuffins in Green Bay and Washington. He turned losing teams into winners. He molded the players into champions. There have been plenty of other examples. Tom Coughlin has been pretty good getting the most out of his players. Mike Shanahan did a pretty good job last year with a rookie QB. After starting the season 3-6, the Redskins finished with seven wins in a row. Our team last year was far more talented than his team. Coach Harbaugh isn't anywhere close to being mentioned in the same breath with the above-named coaches. Have you noticed that Shanahan always seems to develop more than one running back on his teams? That's not a coincidence.
Its getting the most out of the players you have. Of course, the teams have some talent. Its up to the HC to recognize it and use it wisely. Here's one thing you can take to the bank: We will not run the table in the 2nd half. The 7-2 scenario looks pretty dim at this point. Wouldn't you agree? If Coach Harbaugh somehow manages to rally the troops and get them to the playoffs, I'll eat my Ravens hat and some crow. I just don't see it happening with his leadership style, which is "its my way or the highway."

 

7 - 2 is out of the question. The best we can finish with two losses would be 6-2. That would leave us 9-7. It would give us a chance. It's not going to happen though.

 

Not a bid Lombardi fan. Know that's NFL Blasphemy, but for a Ice Bowl anomaly it might be called the Tom Landry trophy. It should be.

[PeRK82]

It's obvious that fans, the media and even other teams see the issues and problems going on. We grumble and boo and post comments here. But do you think that the organization hears our frustrations? With the team issues, with Harbaugh's bff Juan and the need for him to go, with how unhappy fans are? Or do they turn a blind eye and ear to all that? I don't know. I think if they did then something would have happened by now.

 

 

We will see a change as SOON as US fans give up on complaining about Juan.

It happened with Cam.  When he got fired , it came out of no where. I gave up on Cam getting fired and Boom, He is canned.

 

Gotta love it.

[ThePurpleWall]

It's obvious that fans, the media and even other teams see the issues and problems going on. We grumble and boo and post comments here. But do you think that the organization hears our frustrations? With the team issues, with Harbaugh's bff Juan and the need for him to go, with how unhappy fans are? Or do they turn a blind eye and ear to all that? I don't know. I think if they did then something would have happened by now.

 

thankfully they dont listen to the fans.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

7 - 2 is out of the question. The best we can finish with two losses would be 6-2. That would leave us 9-7. It would give us a chance. It's not going to happen though.

 

Not a bid Lombardi fan. Know that's NFL Blasphemy, but for a Ice Bowl anomaly it might be called the Tom Landry trophy. It should be.

 

So, are you a Tom Landry fan? Do you know who were the OC and DC for the NY Football Giants in the '58 championship game against the Baltimore Colts? It might surprise you.  

[Tatelli]

While it's very obvious that they don't listen to the fans (guess I can't really blame them) that does not mean that they aren't pondering over some of their input. Heck if not just for a laugh...well maybe Harbaugh can ponder over this one.

 

I fully understand that many HC's (outside BB) don't understand every aspect of the game, this is why they try and surround themselves with staff that understand and can apply changes to the positions they were brought in for. For me my worry is this year is the first that the Ravens are truly a Harbaugh run team, by that I mean no matter what he always had Ray Lewis to drop the hammer and keep things in check. example is the so called mutiny that happen in the meeting room, who was not present during this stuff....Ray. Now maybe Ray knew this was going to happen and stayed away who knows..

 

JH has not once but twice brought in a buddy to perform a job, we all know how hard it is to tell a buddy that his ideas are not right for this company. I would think that JH has learned from the Cam issues is, that the one thing that he can't do is keep a trying to implement something that is not right for his men. There are 16 games in a season and with luck maybe the play offs, there is not a lot of time to keep pounding away at the same issues with the same results, hence telling your buddy that it's time to move on and go to something we know works...That's Ravens one on one smash mouth football. Maybe it's time HC, the crap starts at your feet and rolls down hill.

 

I myself am aware that we are trying to change to what the NFL has become.....A Circus in all these crazy passing yards and don't touch the QB's and now receiver penalties. Trying to keep track of these high scoring games anymore I swear It's like basketball scores. How about for the remaider of the season we just go back to Ravens smash mouth football on both sides of the ball. I think we still have the players to do it, just get your darn staff to use them right.

 

One more thing.......Slants over the middle, I swear their there for the pickings. Really opens up other things when you try it. That's my rant I'm done now.