Defense

[arnie_uk]

Ive seen what a similar unit did under Pagano.  I think we have more talent then when he was the DC.  I cant understand the horrible defense with all this talent.  All you have to do is give Elam help on defense.
 
If there are five down all five are coming.  We are so predictable.  Zone defense for the majority of the snaps is a way to get beat every week.  Players love to play in man.  It leaves them less to think about.

this I agree with. Never thought I'd say that about a post of yours

[donkeyking64]

I think truth be told, while the defense has not made stops at critical times, its very unfair to put them in the blame game and throw them under the bus too. Why? If Offense gets 2 more scores per game, call it a field goal and a touchdown, then this won't be a conversation. Football has always been about this First special teams should get the team good field position, Second the offense should score some points third the defense should only give up less points than the offense. With it being a passing league and everything, the defense has done pretty well to prevent teams that could run up the score against us from doing that. Aaron Rodgers got held to 19 points. Ben and company got held to 19 too. The Texans got held to 9 and everyone talked about how good Schaub is, how good Foster is, how much of a challenge Johnson and Hopkins would be. I think we can give our defense a break

[TSizzle00]

The defense has held the score low enough to win all of the past few games, I'm not saying they have not had their hardships but they are not giving up 40+ points per game here.

[The Raven]

I actually saw more blitzing than usual this game. Decent bit of interior blitzing. The problem isn't blitzing enough. The problem is Campbell is athletic enough to get out of the pocket, and he did just that. We pressured him more than you guys give credit for, but he's good at evading pressure.

 

I put the defensive struggles on the defensive backs that couldn't tackle or cover. Gave up first downs and big plays. Remember the catch the TE made in the literal middle of three Ravens? Seriously. Three Ravens, one Brown, and the Brown comes down with it. But oh well, fire Pees because that's his fault. :rolleyes:

 

I'm not saying Pees is absolved of blame, but our defense's issues are almost solely on execution. Defense is about four things things, really. Getting off blocks, hitting the QB, making tackles, and covering. If you can execute those four simple aspects, you have a good game on defense. Unfortunately, we can't get everyone doing their job.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 weeks straight weve watched the same exact game. 

 

first half: offense struggles heavily trying to run too much, defense is dominant besides a few big plays that cost us points. 

 

3rd quarter: joe and our receivers dominate, defense gets momentum, gets us allll excited for a comeback 

 

4th quarter: offense is still producing, but comes up short on occasion. defense needs JUST 1 STOP to help us complete the comeback, and they fail miserably inside the last 5 minutes. 

 

you can swap the offenses production between the 3rd and 4th quarters, but in general, its the same sad story, too little too late, and lack of execution is killing us. 

 

it also seems to be just 1 play that gives the game away, week after week.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

It's called cause and effect. 

 

Defense gave up a total of 10 points in the 2nd half. 7 off a 12 yard drive. Trying to attach blame for this loss to the defense is a poor tactic IMO. 

 

If flacco put of 350 yds 2 tds and no INT's and had the ball 1st and goal with a minute left down 6 and failed to score wouldn't you blame him?

 

Doesn't matter what happens the rest of the game. 3 weeks in a row the defense was on the field with plenty of time for us to get the ball and have a shot at winning. They've allowed long drives with the game on the line and haven't done anything.

 

The offense starts poorly, the defense cant close. Why are you placing the blame on Flacco and the offense? They play well down the stretch with the game on the line. The defense doesn't.

 

The blame is 50/50, all this thread is doing is asking to place some of the blame on them. Get the ball back and give us a shot. Youre consistently putting 100% on the offense and Flacco. That is NOT the case.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I actually saw more blitzing than usual this game. Decent bit of interior blitzing. The problem isn't blitzing enough. The problem is Campbell is athletic enough to get out of the pocket, and he did just that. We pressured him more than you guys give credit for, but he's good at evading pressure.

 

I put the defensive struggles on the defensive backs that couldn't tackle or cover. Gave up first downs and big plays. Remember the catch the TE made in the literal middle of three Ravens? Seriously. Three Ravens, one Brown, and the Brown comes down with it. But oh well, fire Pees because that's his fault. :rolleyes:

 

I'm not saying Pees is absolved of blame, but our defense's issues are almost solely on execution. Defense is about four things things, really. Getting off blocks, hitting the QB, making tackles, and covering. If you can execute those four simple aspects, you have a good game on defense. Unfortunately, we can't get everyone doing their job.

 

Pretty sure we only blitzed a couple times. And they scored passing TD's on all of them or atleast most of them.

[izvoodoo]

this I agree with. Never thought I'd say that about a post of yours

The big difference was Ngata's quality of play.  He just isn't the same.

[Tank 92]

I think truth be told, while the defense has not made stops at critical times, its very unfair to put them in the blame game and throw them under the bus too. Why? If Offense gets 2 more scores per game, call it a field goal and a touchdown, then this won't be a conversation. Football has always been about this First special teams should get the team good field position, Second the offense should score some points third the defense should only give up less points than the offense. With it being a passing league and everything, the defense has done pretty well to prevent teams that could run up the score against us from doing that. Aaron Rodgers got held to 19 points. Ben and company got held to 19 too. The Texans got held to 9 and everyone talked about how good Schaub is, how good Foster is, how much of a challenge Johnson and Hopkins would be. I think we can give our defense a break

 

 

I can't agree with this. Games, football, baseball, ping pong, whatever, are won and lost at the end. If you have played well enough on any given day to have a chance to win at the end, shame on you if you don't do your job, no matter how you have performed earlier in the game. If we had the stops at the end of the last three games chances are we sit at 6 and 2 , not 3 and 5.

[Tank 92]

The big difference was Ngata's quality of play.  He just isn't the same.

 

 

Ngata played well last week.  Just sayin'.

[PurpleCityLights]

Let see the defense gives up 7 points in the third on what a 12 yard drive? ???? They give up 3 points in the forth but the defense sucks?? LOL

Flacco gets a pass on soiling himself the whole first half???

Same old stuff.

^^^This.

I think people are so use to the D being great they give the Offense a pass but the truth is our D is average & the Offense is piss poor every game

[PurpleCityLights]

Pretty sure we only blitzed a couple times. And they scored passing TD's on all of them or atleast most of them.

What happens is their O-line works so when we blitz they pick it up, now it becomes 7 on 7 & we all know our D cant cover so they get burned ......all day.

[Guest Omerta]

That should be BAL's D.

 

We did. It was against the Texans.

[GrimCoconut]

Ngata played well last week. Just sayin'.

When? During the bye?

[frozen joe flacco fan]

The defense has played well enough to win at least three other games and yet they have had lapses in each game at critical times --- usually at the end of the 1st half or at the end of the game. However, they have been underachievers IMO. I was expecting them to get better as the season wore on and they haven't lived up to my expectations. They have not shown that they can stop the run and they have not played too well between the 20 yard lines. They have played better in the red zone. In most of the games this year, we have lost the TOP battle because they can't get off the field in critical situations.

[arnie_uk]

I actually saw more blitzing than usual this game. Decent bit of interior blitzing. The problem isn't blitzing enough. The problem is Campbell is athletic enough to get out of the pocket, and he did just that. We pressured him more than you guys give credit for, but he's good at evading pressure.
 
I put the defensive struggles on the defensive backs that couldn't tackle or cover. Gave up first downs and big plays. Remember the catch the TE made in the literal middle of three Ravens? Seriously. Three Ravens, one Brown, and the Brown comes down with it. But oh well, fire Pees because that's his fault. :rolleyes:
 
I'm not saying Pees is absolved of blame, but our defense's issues are almost solely on execution. Defense is about four things things, really. Getting off blocks, hitting the QB, making tackles, and covering. If you can execute those four simple aspects, you have a good game on defense. Unfortunately, we can't get everyone doing their job.

his scheme is so vanilla it's not putting the players in a position to succeed. More exotic coverages and blitzes and you might actually confuse a qb. You can tell every down who is coming and who is not minus a couple of plays a game where we send inside blitzes that are quite well disguised.

He deserves as much of the blame as who ever designs the offensive game plans.

[Hjulmann]

get dumervil they said... him and suggs will tear apart the oline they said...

[jazz1988]

Ngata played well last week.  Just sayin'.

 

I thought so as well but I think the ravens should try to reduce his snaps on defense to keep him fresh  so he can stay effective .

[arnie_uk]

get dumervil they said... him and suggs will tear apart the oline they said...

dumervil is no 5 and Suggs is no. 12 in pass rushing productivity, which is pressures per passes against, they are doing their part. The secondary isn't.

[TSizzle00]

Game should start in the 3rd Qtr. Ravens would be undefeated lol.

[Tank 92]

I thought so as well but I think the ravens should try to reduce his snaps on defense to keep him fresh  so he can stay effective .

Agreed. He's obviously not able to stay healthy going full time.

[flynismo]

Its not how you start, its how you finish. you can apply that rule to pretty much anything in life.

[Tank 92]

Its not how you start, its how you finish. you can apply that rule to pretty much anything in life.

Fantasy has masked this simple and basic fact of life for some as it relates to football.

[Guest RBates]

I don't understand Pees game plan coming into ball games.  He usually has the bend but don't break approach to every game.  Is there a team in the league that we can dominate on the defensive side of the ball?  We are not gambling on defense and the lack of turnovers is the result. He plays entirely to passive in the middle of the field.  His blitz packages are lame and the defenders seem to be showing their hand presnap.

 

 He has to go after this season i'm sorry. CB's coach and linebacker's coach are the only two that i even respect on Harbaugh's staff at this point.  They have shown continuous improvement through out  the years. Maybe coach Brooks can be in the mix also.

 

Harbaugh no leader Suggs no leader Flacco no leader.  I told all of you coming into this season. 

[arnie_uk]

I don't understand Pees game plan coming into ball games.  He usually has the bend but don't break approach to every game.  Is there a team in the league that we can dominate on the defensive side of the ball?  We are not gambling on defense and the lack of turnovers is the result. He plays entirely to passive in the middle of the field.  His blitz packages are lame and the defenders seem to be showing their hand presnap.
 
 He has to go after this season i'm sorry. CB's coach and linebacker's coach are the only two that i even respect on Harbaugh's staff at this point.  They have shown continuous improvement through out  the years. Maybe coach Brooks can be in the mix also.
 
Harbaugh no leader Suggs no leader Flacco no leader.  I told all of you coming into this season.

agree on until the last sentence. Never been a fan of pees, and think he is defended to much here

[arnie_uk]

Baring a couple freak plays, they were brilliant today, and got the clutch stop, even if they shouldn't have had to lol

[arnie_uk]

Loved how Webb was used today, in the slot, blitzing etc. more innovative play calling from pees this game. He was far more aggressive.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

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[1/28/01]

8th ranked defense (points per game...the stat that really matters). That is all!

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Overall the defense is getting better. However, they still did not put together two good halves.
Using my simple formula for winning games, the defense has played well enough to win in 5 of our 9 games. The offense has played well enough to win in 5 of our 9 games. Unfortunately, in only 2 of
the 9 games did both the D and O play well enough to win in the same game against the Texans and the Bengals and we won both. In a nutshell, we are fortunate to be 4-5 at this juncture. We have scored
188 points and we've allowed 189 --- a statistical dead heat. If the 1st game against Denver is discounted as an anomaly, our offensive scoring average is 20.125; our defensive points allowed average is 17.5. Obviously, this does not include an analysis of points allowed by the offense via interceptions, etc. or points allowed or scored by our special teams but it works for me. Ironically, the final score of the Bengals game was nearly identical with our average. If things don't change, we can expect more of the same. Liars may figure but figures don't lie. Its a myth that only teams with high scoring offenses win consistently.