The official _______ sucks, Cut_______ Week 9 Melt Thread-- even though the team won!

[Tank 92]

No need to defend Flacco.  Ray Charles can see that he has not been the reason for our losses.

[arnie_uk]

Some of this fan base is utterly pathetic. Flacco has changed this franchise and people won't even give him the benefit of the doubt when the whole team is struggling not just him. Coming to this board reading some of these comments, I don't know wether to get angry or just feel sad that some people go through life the way they do, must be damn miserable

[ravensdfan]

Eh don't get too down on the fans here. It is just the usual suspects coming out of the woodwork. They want anyone but Flacco to be the QB. It was Troy Smith, it was Bulger, now it's Tyrod. Doesn't matter the name. They have an agenda, lack any football knowledge and only show up when the team is in a funk. We've not seen any of them since Joe went on his playoff run.

Most people understand that Flacco is not the problem. In fact, there isn't just one problem anyway. We have several issues right now.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

To be honest - Flacco is having a pretty bad year (stats-wise).  But the question is whether or not it is his fault that he's having a bad year.

 

I don't believe it is.  It's like having a beautiful Ferrari, a powerful engine (Flacco), but no wheels.  No matter how well that engine runs, how powerful it is, if you don't have wheels on the ground, you aren't going anywhere.

 

He's having a crap year - but to put all the blame on him is idiotic and unfair.  We don't have the pieces put together to compete - our team needs to function together to win games, and so far this year, they've proven that it's very difficult for them to do that.

 

EDIT: Never mind - forget the crossed-out stuff I said.  Looking at the stats, Flacco is actually having a normal year.  Halfway through the year, he is on track to pass for more yards than any other year.  His INTs are high (9 this year, 10 all year last year) and his TDs are a little lower (10 so far this year, 22 on the year last year).

 

He's not the problem.

[harfordravenfan]

in 8 games matt elam has had 1 PD and an easy fumble recovery and has MADE NO PLAYS NONE

hes a bust

true ravens and the best ravens that come through the draft make plays early.

The omen isnt good. I also said he was a wasted pick. Hes too small and to stupid to make plays.

Ever notice that many of our draft picks seem to take years to become what we wanted from the start? being behind great players I understand but too often it's the last year of there rookie deal when our players finally show there skills.

[Sami84]

Ever notice that many of our draft picks seem to take years to become what we wanted from the start? being behind great players I understand but too often it's the last year of there rookie deal when our players finally show there skills.

 

not really...

 

our first round picks that made impacts in their first years were always pro bowlers

the ones who have sucked in the first year have been busts or just average,

[A Fish Called Yanda]

not really...

 

our first round picks that made impacts in their first years were always pro bowlers

the ones who have sucked in the first year have been busts or just average,

 

How about you follow the "wait and see" approach for a little bit - it's Elam's first year.  I cannot understand the vitriol spewing from your mouth about a rookie.

 

He hasn't been amazing this year, but to call him a bust at this point in his career (boy, he has a whole 8 games in his entire NFL career) is just stupid.  Please stop.

[The Raven]

Ever notice that many of our draft picks seem to take years to become what we wanted from the start? being behind great players I understand but too often it's the last year of there rookie deal when our players finally show there skills.

 

That's not just ours, that goes for most players. Players usually take their biggest jump in their third or fourth season. Rookie contracts are also 3-4 years. That's just how it works for most players.

[AsianRice]

I don't know Joe haters smoking but I'm pretty sure it is illegal......Joe has changed the game in Baltimore and with that reason, we won the SB last year.

 

Joe himself took the blame for being off on some throws and all elite QB has been down on that road; if our O-line give Joe sometimes to throw and open up some holes for our RBs, we won't sit at 3-5.

 

Like others mentioning, this weekend our team are playing for prides and respect....I hope I will see the last year playoff team this Sunday in term of intensity, emotion, and physicality...

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

the strange thing is..as bad as our run game has been if we had pitta and boldin we would probably be 7 and 1 now lol

i dont think we would the way Joe has been playing, what have we had more drops or more misguided passes ??

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

Is it though? Aside from college tape (ask Tandon Doss or Matt Elam this year how much college tape really means), we have preseason matches and one match that was basically a preseason game. In those games, he was a mediocre passer at best and he ran far more often than not. He's looked solid if unspectacular against second-tier defences in pretty meaningless games, and he isn't about to win us anything against a team's first tier.

 

Usually a new QB has a honeymoon period of a few games because no-one has any real tape on him. That's why Kaepernick's beginning to rely on his running game more this year, and it's why Brian Hoyer and Jason Campbell have done well so far. Where usually it takes a few games for defences to adjust to new QBs, it took the Bengals defence TWO DRIVES to realise they can stack the box and make him beat you with his arm - which he couldn't. Yeah they have a good defence, but still a mediocre secondary. And for most of that game he wasn't even playing their best cover guys.

 

Anyway, I'm done on the topic. I thought any semblance of a "debate" died when Joe went on his playoff run.

You mean when Boldin went on his playoff run !!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

You mean when Boldin went on his playoff run !!

 

Really?

 

If you look at the numbers, Boldin did exactly what he was supposed to do and what you'd expect a #1 receiver to do.

 

He accounted for about 1/3 of the passing yards, and 1/3 of the catches, and 1/3 of the Flacco's TDs, but that's because he was targeted on 1/3 of Flacco's throws.

 

Boldin averaged 5.5 catches per game, 95 yards and a TD. Don't get me wrong that's great.

 

Flacco averaged about 285 yards and 2.75 TDs with 0 INT per game. Equally as impressive.

 

Boldin doesn't go on his tear without Flacco playing lights out. And Flacco doesn't play the way he did without Boldin. Plain and simple.

 

Both went on great runs, but a WR playing lights out or going on a run doesn't get you a Super Bowl. Otherwise Calvin Johnson would have been there last year.

[3-4ravdef509]

i dont think we would the way Joe has been playing, what have we had more drops or more misguided passes ??

 The ratio of dropped passes, plays where he gets less than 3 seconds to throw, plays where the receiver doesn't play the ball, and plays where the wrong route is ran, plays where defenders come untouched outweigh the amount of bad decisions/bad throws by like 100:1.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

The ratio of dropped passes, plays where he gets less than 3 seconds to throw, plays where the receiver doesn't play the ball, and plays where the wrong route is ran, plays where defenders come untouched outweigh the amount of bad decisions/bad throws by like 100:1.

Truth.

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

Really?

 

If you look at the numbers, Boldin did exactly what he was supposed to do and what you'd expect a #1 receiver to do.

 

He accounted for about 1/3 of the passing yards, and 1/3 of the catches, and 1/3 of the Flacco's TDs, but that's because he was targeted on 1/3 of Flacco's throws.

 

Boldin averaged 5.5 catches per game, 95 yards and a TD. Don't get me wrong that's great.

 

Flacco averaged about 285 yards and 2.75 TDs with 0 INT per game. Equally as impressive.

 

Boldin doesn't go on his tear without Flacco playing lights out. And Flacco doesn't play the way he did without Boldin. Plain and simple.

 

Both went on great runs, but a WR playing lights out or going on a run doesn't get you a Super Bowl. Otherwise Calvin Johnson would have been there last year.

I agree with some of what your saying , however with boldin we won super bowl , without him we arent even making the playoffs, thats a fact .

[MARYLANDMIKE21224]

 The ratio of dropped passes, plays where he gets less than 3 seconds to throw, plays where the receiver doesn't play the ball, and plays where the wrong route is ran, plays where defenders come untouched outweigh the amount of bad decisions/bad throws by like 100:1.

you make a good case for a average QB , I totally agree with you

[JO_75]

 The ratio of dropped passes, plays where he gets less than 3 seconds to throw, plays where the receiver doesn't play the ball, and plays where the wrong route is ran, plays where defenders come untouched outweigh the amount of bad decisions/bad throws by like 100:1.

 

You realize what I bolded go hand in hand. If he has more time to throw, he can make better decisions and better throws. It's simple and an easy fact. Joe just didn't start being a bad QB after getting paid. Joe showed in the playoffs what can happen when he has time to throw. We fix that, Joe becomes the QB he was in the playoffs. 

[Free Agent]

You realize what I bolded go hand in hand. If he has more time to throw, he can make better decisions and better throws. It's simple and an easy fact. Joe just didn't start being a bad QB after getting paid. Joe showed in the playoffs what can happen when he has time to throw. We fix that, Joe becomes the QB he was in the playoffs. 

 

Bingo.

[Bltravens]

I agree with some of what your saying , however with boldin we won super bowl , without him we arent even making the playoffs, thats a fact .

No it's not.  Not even close.  How does an 900 yard #1 WR factually get you into the playoffs?

[3-4ravdef509]

I agree with some of what your saying , however with boldin we won super bowl , without him we arent even making the playoffs, thats a fact .

Right, because Boldin Is such a great receiver, with those sub 900 yard years...

[Richmond_Raven]

That got your attention, right?

I'm pretty frustrated and disappointed, but I'm beyond the point this season where I'm allowing this team to raise my blood pressure.

This team is not good this year. When you come to terms with that, everything becomes easier. I watch the games and I hope for wins, but I do not expect them.

Ultimately, as a Ravens fan, it's very hard to complain about recent years. Five years in the playoffs, a playoff win every year, and a Super Bowl victory to cap it off. If the devil told me last year that this mediocrity would be the price to pay for last year's incredible run, I would have taken that deal 10 times out of 10. Think about how Falcons fans feel: leading 17-0 in the NFC Championship game last year at home, only to lose 28-24. They were thisclose to the Super Bowl last year, and assumed they'd be contenders again. Well now they're 2-6 with Gonzales's retirement looming. Look at the Texans. The Super Bowl window is REAL, and we managed to win it right before our window shut. For that I'm grateful.

My title was meant to be inflammatory, but there's some truth to it. The NFL wants parity, the way the league is structured is meant to punish successful teams. Years of picking at the bottom of the draft have finally caught up with us. We need playmakers, and the draft is the place to get them. Our last bad season yielded Rice and Flacco. If we're not making the playoffs, I'd much rather go 6-10 than 8-8 and get better draft position. Reload, and improve next year.

In the mean time, I'll enjoy the games with few expectations for this year. Go Ravens.

Best post of the day

[Brandon22]

the way some see it Ray Rice along with Haloti Ngata and Marshal Yanda and Lardarius Webb will be traded to different teams for picks after ozzie talks to some GMs about taking most of the contract money including signing and guaranteed money so we can clear alot of cap and extend flaccos deal with 3 years so instead of him being 20.1 million it drops to 15.6 million

[rmw10]

the way some see it Ray Rice along with Haloti Ngata and Marshal Yanda and Lardarius Webb will be traded to different teams for picks after ozzie talks to some GMs about taking most of the contract money including signing and guaranteed money so we can clear alot of cap and extend flaccos deal with 3 years so instead of him being 20.1 million it drops to 15.6 million

 

We CANNOT trade those guys.  The guaranteed and signing bonus money is stuck on our cap.  We cannot move it.  No team can take it on.

[Brandon22]

We CANNOT trade those guys.  The guaranteed and signing bonus money is stuck on our cap.  We cannot move it.  No team can take it on.

thanks for elaborating

[Bltravens]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4jGSvxCRp4

 

How I felt last week losing to the Browns.

[arnie_uk]

thanks for elaborating

youve been told before you just dont listen

[PurpleCityLights]

Remember when we lost that Denver game, the players and coaches said they would get better...............they lied.

[Sunday QB]

I think the coaching is a big issue. I am looking right at Harbaugh and wondering if he understands what is happening. I think he needs a reality check from the owner.

[Token]

I knew the running game was bad, but apparently we're averaging the least amount of YPC since the 1953 Giants.

 

 

With 573 yards on 206 carries, the Ravens are currently averaging 2.78 yards per carry, which is not just the worst mark in the NFL this year but the worst mark in the NFL in 60 years. According to Jamison Hensley of ESPN.com, that’s the lowest yards per carry average of any NFL team since the 1953 Giants, who averaged 2.64 yards a carry. The Ravens will need a major turnaround to avoid being the first team since the 1994 Patriots to average less than three yards a carry for a season.

 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/09/at-2-78-yards-a-carry-ravens-running-offense-is-beyond-bad/

[arnie_uk]

I knew the running game was bad, but apparently we're averaging the least amount of YPC since the 1953 Giants.
 

 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/09/at-2-78-yards-a-carry-ravens-running-offense-is-beyond-bad/

you should pay more attention to callahans posts lol