Marcus Spears and Michael Huff cut

[pitchblack_20]

I hope they give Omar some snaps at FS today.

[HoldingCall]

Our team is simply NOT as good without Pollard and Boldin.

I agree! 

[The Mom Gene]

Put Pitta back on the field and you will see so much of a difference... I think that's been more of a game changer than Boldin. Boldin was mediocre until the postseason last yr.

[HoldingCall]

Most rookies thrive in development behind veterans rather than being thrown in the deep end. Do you think Mellette and Furst would be better than Stokely and Clark? I don't, they might be younger but they're unproven players.

So you think the team is better because of Stokely and Clark? I don't see it! Please list a rookie on the team who became better by sitting and not playing. Surely not Doss! Sitting nearly destroyed his inner fire. I just Don't believe Flacco or Rice would have been better had they waited longer.

[BloodRaven]

So you think the team is better because of Stokely and Clark? I don't see it! Please list a rookie on the team who became better by sitting and not playing. Surely not Doss! Sitting nearly destroyed his inner fire. I just Don't believe Flacco or Rice would have been better had they waited longer.

You can't apply the same logic to all rookies, very few are good enough to start immediately. When I said most rookies that implies than I'm not referring to all rookies, obviously first round picks will get a lot more snaps than late draft picks and undrafted rookies.

[izvoodoo]

You can't apply the same logic to all rookies, very few are good enough to start immediately. When I said most rookies that implies than I'm not referring to all rookies, obviously first round picks will get a lot more snaps than late draft picks and undrafted rookies.

Yeah virtually all UDFA rookies don't play their first year.

[Gordo52]

Canty was cut?

Why you giving people mini heart attacks. When I read this the first time I didn't see the ? mark.

[HoldingCall]

Yeah virtually all UDFA rookies don't play their first year.

 

 

You can't apply the same logic to all rookies, very few are good enough to start immediately. When I said most rookies that implies than I'm not referring to all rookies, obviously first round picks will get a lot more snaps than late draft picks and undrafted rookies.

This is generalizing way beyond the specific statement I made about Mellette, Furstenburger and even Bajema as it relates to the effect created by signing Stokely and Clark. I disagreed with the signing of those two and still think it only delays the development of Mellette (stashed on IR) and Furstenburg on the practice squad. It also uses money and hasn't made the team much better, if at all. It's also the cause of Bajema getting whiplash by being cut and brought back so often. 

 

 

Stokley and Clark are good players but the team would be no worst off without them.

[rmw10]

This is generalizing way beyond the specific statement I made about Mellette, Furstenburger and even Bajema as it relates to the effect created by signing Stokely and Clark. I disagreed with the signing of those two and still think it only delays the development of Mellette (stashed on IR) and Furstenburg on the practice squad. It also uses money and hasn't made the team much better, if at all. It's also the cause of Bajema getting whiplash by being cut and brought back so often. 

 

 

Stokley and Clark are good players but the team would be no worst off without them.

 

I think you're a bit off here.

 

Regarding Mellette, he was actually injured.  He got knee surgery and was going to miss 6-8 weeks.  You can't hold a roster spot for a guy who isn't going to contribute for that long.  Even if he was fully healthy, he'd be sitting on the bench behind Smith, Jones, Brown, Doss, and Thompson.  He'd be getting the same amount of field time as he is currently on the IR.  He'd be a weekly inactive if he was on the 53.

 

As far as Furstenburg, he was nowhere near ready.  He couldn't block to save his life in the preseason.  He struggled to get open.  He has build up speed and not straight line speed, which is the reason he couldn't get open.  I'm sure he could use some experience, but you can't throw him out there when you're expecting playoffs.  You can't rely on someone with that much work to do.

 

If we get to week 12 or so and we look to be out of the playoff picture, that's when you get experience for these late round and UDFA guys.  Throwing them into the fire does nothing to help them unless they've done something to prove they can play with a first team, like Brown.  Neither Mellette nor Furstenburg showed that they were ready to contribute.

[HoldingCall]

I think you're a bit off here.

 

Regarding Mellette, he was actually injured.  He got knee surgery and was going to miss 6-8 weeks.  You can't hold a roster spot for a guy who isn't going to contribute for that long.  Even if he was fully healthy, he'd be sitting on the bench behind Smith, Jones, Brown, Doss, and Thompson.  He'd be getting the same amount of field time as he is currently on the IR.  He'd be a weekly inactive if he was on the 53.

 

As far as Furstenburg, he was nowhere near ready.  He couldn't block to save his life in the preseason.  He struggled to get open.  He has build up speed and not straight line speed, which is the reason he couldn't get open.  I'm sure he could use some experience, but you can't throw him out there when you're expecting playoffs.  You can't rely on someone with that much work to do.

 

If we get to week 12 or so and we look to be out of the playoff picture, that's when you get experience for these late round and UDFA guys.  Throwing them into the fire does nothing to help them unless they've done something to prove they can play with a first team, like Brown.  Neither Mellette nor Furstenburg showed that they were ready to contribute.

If Mellette was injured to that extent then I understand him being added to IR. However I disagree with the rest.I believe in-house development can serve this team better and it avoids the financial situation the team is now limited with. Considering they had more redo than usual, the team is below .500 so how have the vets helped? Results don't support the logic.

[rmw10]

If Mellette was injured to that extent then I understand him being added to IR. However I disagree with the rest.I believe in-house development can serve this team better and it avoids the financial situation the team is now limited with. Considering they had more redo than usual, the team is below .500 so how have the vets helped? Results don't support the logic.

 

In house development is fine, but you can't do it from day one with a guy that has yet to show that he can play against a first team D.  Did we know we were going to be under .500?  Nope.  If we're looking good and likely heading to the playoffs, give me the vet that has shown in the past that he can get it done over the UDFA rookie that had a lot of struggles in the preseason.  As I said, if you get to week 12 and the playoff picture is bleak, that's when you get those guys experience.  What good does it serve the team now?

 

And regarding the money aspect, I'm not sure that even matters.  Having Clark and Stokley on the team has not prevented us from getting anyone that we wanted.  The net difference between having those 2 vets over 2 rookies is only about $300K.

[BloodRaven]

If Mellette was injured to that extent then I understand him being added to IR. However I disagree with the rest.I believe in-house development can serve this team better and it avoids the financial situation the team is now limited with. Considering they had more redo than usual, the team is below .500 so how have the vets helped? Results don't support the logic.

 

Are you implying that if our rookies were utilized instead of old veterans it would solve (or avoid) our cap issues and result in a better record?

 

Also not all experience is beneficial, many rookies are exposed as unprepared and woefully inadequate and never regain confidence.

[Chris K]

So you think the team is better because of Stokely and Clark? I don't see it! Please list a rookie on the team who became better by sitting and not playing. Surely not Doss! Sitting nearly destroyed his inner fire. I just Don't believe Flacco or Rice would have been better had they waited longer.

 

Yes, Clark has made us a better offense, for the time being. That is simply only because of the lack of alternate options. Simply put, we would be a worse football team if Clark was not in our lineup right now. However, I don't see him staying when Pitta returns. 

[Guest RBates]

  
Not that I've read anywhere.

My bad Marcus spears.  It was late. 

[HoldingCall]

In house development is fine, but you can't do it from day one with a guy that has yet to show that he can play against a first team D.  Did we know we were going to be under .500?  Nope.  If we're looking good and likely heading to the playoffs, give me the vet that has shown in the past that he can get it done over the UDFA rookie that had a lot of struggles in the preseason.  As I said, if you get to week 12 and the playoff picture is bleak, that's when you get those guys experience.  What good does it serve the team now?

 

And regarding the money aspect, I'm not sure that even matters.  Having Clark and Stokley on the team has not prevented us from getting anyone that we wanted.  The net difference between having those 2 vets over 2 rookies is only about $300K.

I'm not picking on Clark and Stokley, lets not leave off Huff and Spears. The FO had a few too many misses this past off season and that is part of the team's problem. I think they became cocky and over did the reload. No one can see the future but I had bad feelings about the need for so many new additions and changes. Example: the OL wasn't broken but the coaches decided to fix it anyway.

 

There were receivers on the team itching for that opportunity. I am aware that everything can't come from in house but the FO went elsewhere and it hasn't made a difference or improvement. Not only has there been no real impact, their signing only delays development as well as the team's decision on whether the rookies fit and are worth keeping on board.

 

Waiting until week 12 to play rookies is what many coaches would do. I can't think like the herd, it's far too predictable and four games provide very limited development time. Most rookies need a season to develop or at least the majority of a season.  

[HoldingCall]

Yes, Clark has made us a better offense, for the time being. That is simply only because of the lack of alternate options. Simply put, we would be a worse football team if Clark was not in our lineup right now. However, I don't see him staying when Pitta returns. 

He is a good player but the team could have done it without him.

[HoldingCall]

Are you implying that if our rookies were utilized instead of old veterans it would solve (or avoid) our cap issues and result in a better record?

 

Also not all experience is beneficial, many rookies are exposed as unprepared and woefully inadequate and never regain confidence.

I'm saying the goal of any signing is to improve the team and I didn't think the signing of Clark and Stokley were necessary due to the quality of rookies on the team and available. As for cap space, If you include Huff and Spears along with Stokley and Clark, then yes the cap would be improved and the team would be no worst off. The FO over did the effort to reload and overlooked players available on the team.

 

As far as rookies are concerned I was strictly posting about Frustenburg and Mellette, no one else. Those two showed something that could have been used to fill the spot that Stokley and Clark occupy, but Mellette got hurt.

[jimjim5]

I heard on 105.7 that Spears was a bit vocal in his discord of the coaching methods and that may have been a reason for him being cut.

Has anyone heard about these grumblings from other media outlets or secondary sources?

[pitchblack_20]

The Broncos signed Michael Huff ?

[beanfigger]

The Broncos signed Michael Huff ?

We made our choice. With Rahim Moore out at least a month in Denver, they made their choice, as well.

[Militant X 1]

The Broncos signed Michael Huff ?

yeah!  I saw that news today!

 

#Mili

[Gordo52]

I guess they liked what they saw from week 1?

[Florida Ravens Fan]

To be fair he only played one game, they should of game him another try.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

To be fair he only played one game, they should of game him another try.

he played really bad on special teams and probably didn't show anything better at practice

[flaccopoe]

Lol at BAL's offseason acquisitions.

[redrum52]

Lol at BAL's offseason acquisitions.

Doom, Canty and Daryl Smith worked out, not counting the draft and resignings.  There were some misses though, Rolando, Huff and Spears.  If you look at the team cap wise and the talent in FA, I don't remember there being much out there to begin with.  If not for Pitta being hurt, I think this team could be in a much different place.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

Doom, Canty and Daryl Smith worked out, not counting the draft and resignings.  There were some misses though, Rolando, Huff and Spears.  If you look at the team cap wise and the talent in FA, I don't remember there being much out there to begin with.  If not for Pitta being hurt, I think this team could be in a much different place.

agree, just to add that Rolando didn't cost us a penny as his contract was not guaranteed

[The Raven]

Doom, Canty and Daryl Smith worked out, not counting the draft and resignings.  There were some misses though, Rolando, Huff and Spears.  If you look at the team cap wise and the talent in FA, I don't remember there being much out there to begin with.  If not for Pitta being hurt, I think this team could be in a much different place.

 

Idk if I can call Rolando a miss. It didn't negatively affect us at all.

 

Spears was not a miss. Many speculate, including Spears, that the young guys we have on the roster earned more play time, and that means somebody had to be cut. 

[rafahash]

I guess they liked what they saw from week 1?

 

lol

[PurpleCityLights]

Put Pitta back on the field and you will see so much of a difference... I think that's been more of a game changer than Boldin. Boldin was mediocre until the postseason last yr.

Dont forget Flacco was MEDIOCRE last year until the postseason as well.........matter of fact, he's playing the same way he did last year minus the run game.