John Harbaugh Receiving Too Much Blame?

[baltimoreravensfan4life]

Personally, I think Harbuagh has been receiving too much blame for the losses this year. It's easy to say that a bad call here or there can cost the team a win, but that ignores the fact that the team played for sixty minutes and there was more going on than just that one bad call. I personally think it's pretty ignorant to blame Harbaugh without looking at the game as a whole. 

What do you all think? Is Harbaugh to blame or is he receiving too much heat?

[flynismo]

We've pretty much beat this topic to death in the other Harbaugh threads

[gabefergy]

He deserves some blame, but not for the reasons most want to talk about.

[baltimoreravensfan4life]

We've pretty much beat this topic to death in the other Harbaugh threads

I know, but most were Harbaugh hate parties and I'm trying to propose the other side of the debate to see what people say.

[SeaHawk]

He deserves some blame, but not for the reasons most want to talk about.

 

I'm curious as to what "other reasons" means. I ask this question with no alterior motive, except under the basis of sheer curiosity.

[gabefergy]

I'm curious as to what "other reasons" means. I ask this question with no alterior motive, except under the basis of sheer curiosity.

Mostly his role in formulating game plans on offense. The reluctance to put the ball in Joe's hands while foolishly emphasizing the run until we fall behind and are forced to pass more.

[AsianRice]

I'm curious as to what "other reasons" means. I ask this question with no alterior motive, except under the basis of sheer curiosity.

Castillo says "it wasn't me"

[Alexir]

He gets the credit for taking us to 5 post season appearances, 3 afc games, and a super bowl victory. He gets the blame for the bad games too. It comes with the territory.

Captain goes down with the ship.

[baltimoreravensfan4life]

Mostly his role in formulating game plans on offense. The reluctance to put the ball in Joe's hands while foolishly emphasizing the run until we fall behind and are forced to pass more.

I agree that's a problem, but does that fall more on Caldwell or Harbaugh?

[gabefergy]

I agree that's a problem, but does that fall more on Caldwell or Harbaugh?

I think it falls on both. Obviously Caldwell is calling the plays, but Harbs is involved in coming up with the strategy of how the offense will attack opposing defenses.

[CalvinSmoke]

He gets the credit for taking us to 5 post season appearances, 3 afc games, and a super bowl victory. He gets the blame for the bad games too. It comes with the territory.

Captain goes down with the ship.

well stated

[flynismo]

He gets the credit for taking us to 5 post season appearances, 3 afc games, and a super bowl victory. He gets the blame for the bad games too. It comes with the territory.
Captain goes down with the ship.

No doubt. He sure as heck does share some of the heat.

[flynismo]

I agree that's a problem, but does that fall more on Caldwell or Harbaugh?

Both of them, but moreso Harbaugh

[flynismo]

I think it falls on both. Obviously Caldwell is calling the plays, but Harbs is involved in coming up with the strategy of how the offense will attack opposing defenses.

As far as gameplanning, its a group effort, with Harbaugh being 'the lead dog'...so if our gameplan sucks, he takes one for the team on that.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

The truth is John Harbaugh isn't receiving enough blame! He is a good head coach and good head coaches are a dime a baker's dozen. What we need is a great coach! One might ask, who would that be? Much has been made on our blog about the word "elite" as it applies to QBs. What about the Head Coaches? Who do you consider "elite"? I would include 5 in that category. They are Sean Peyton, Mike McCarthy, Andy Reid, Bill Belichek and Tom Coughlin. Following them there's a second tier of ten or so outstanding HCs, including Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, Marvin Lewis, Chuck Pagano, Rex Ryan, Mike Shanahan, Marc Trestman, Mike Tomlin, Jason Garrett and Jeff Fisher. Conspicuously missing from my list of 15 head coaches  are John Harbaugh, John Fox and Mike Smith. We can debate my list until Doom's Day (which I hope will come soon as in Elvis Dumerville) but what's the point? My point is that John is a good coach who may be one of the Top 16 coaches in the NFL right now. That would put him in good company in the top half of the class but would by no means put him in rare air. Some head coaches have been blessed with talented teams and some have inherited talented teams who went on to win a SB. For example, Jon Gruden inherited a talented team from Tony Dungy and won a SB the following year but I do not hear the phones ringing off the hook clamoring for his return to coaching. Similarly, John Harbaugh inherited a very talented team from Brian Billick. Editor's Note: Personally, I'd like to see what an offensive genius like Billick could do with an elite QB like Joe. To his credit, Harbaugh eventually won a SB but it took 5 years. Note, if you will, the commonality of the Head Coaches that I consider to be among the elite current head coaches in the league. With the exception of Andy Reid, they all have "elite" QBs all of whom have been bested by our own elite QB. By the way, the longest tenured coaches on the list of 15 coaches are Belichek and Lewis with 11 and 10 years, respectively, for the same team. So, the clock is ticking for John Harbaugh before his message grows old and weary like me.   

[PurpleCityLights]

He doesnt get enough.......

[gabefergy]

The truth is John Harbaugh isn't receiving enough blame! He is a good head coach and good head coaches are a dime a baker's dozen. What we need is a great coach! One might ask, who would that be? Much has been made on our blog about the word "elite" as it applies to QBs. What about the Head Coaches? Who do you consider "elite"? I would include 5 in that category. They are Sean Peyton, Mike McCarthy, Andy Reid, Bill Belichek and Tom Coughlin. Following them there's a second tier of ten or so outstanding HCs, including Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, Marvin Lewis, Chuck Pagano, Rex Ryan, Mike Shanahan, Marc Trestman, Mike Tomlin, Jason Garrett and Jeff Fisher. Conspicuously missing from my list of 15 head coaches are John Harbaugh, John Fox and Mike Smith. We can debate my list until Doom's Day (which I hope will come soon as in Elvis Dumerville) but what's the point? My point is that John is a good coach who may be one of the Top 16 coaches in the NFL right now. That would put him in good company in the top half of the class but would by no means put him in rare air. Some head coaches have been blessed with talented teams and some have inherited talented teams who went on to win a SB. For example, Jon Gruden inherited a talented team from Tony Dungy and won a SB the following year but I do not hear the phones ringing off the hook clamoring for his return to coaching. Similarly, John Harbaugh inherited a very talented team from Brian Billick. Editor's Note: Personally, I'd like to see what an offensive genius like Billick could do with an elite QB like Joe. To his credit, Harbaugh eventually won a SB but it took 5 years. Note, if you will, the commonality of the Head Coaches that I consider to be among the elite current head coaches in the league. With the exception of Andy Reid, they all have "elite" QBs all of whom have been bested by our own elite QB. By the way, the longest tenured coaches on the list of 15 coaches are Belichek and Lewis with 11 and 10 years, respectively, for the same team. So, the clock is ticking for John Harbaugh before his message grows old and weary like me.

Lol

[SeaHawk]

The truth is John Harbaugh isn't receiving enough blame! He is a good head coach and good head coaches are a dime a baker's dozen. What we need is a great coach! One might ask, who would that be? Much has been made on our blog about the word "elite" as it applies to QBs. What about the Head Coaches? Who do you consider "elite"? I would include 5 in that category. They are Sean Peyton, Mike McCarthy, Andy Reid, Bill Belichek and Tom Coughlin. Following them there's a second tier of ten or so outstanding HCs, including Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, Marvin Lewis, Chuck Pagano, Rex Ryan, Mike Shanahan, Marc Trestman, Mike Tomlin, Jason Garrett and Jeff Fisher. Conspicuously missing from my list of 15 head coaches  are John Harbaugh, John Fox and Mike Smith. We can debate my list until Doom's Day (which I hope will come soon as in Elvis Dumerville) but what's the point? My point is that John is a good coach who may be one of the Top 16 coaches in the NFL right now. That would put him in good company in the top half of the class but would by no means put him in rare air. Some head coaches have been blessed with talented teams and some have inherited talented teams who went on to win a SB. For example, Jon Gruden inherited a talented team from Tony Dungy and won a SB the following year but I do not hear the phones ringing off the hook clamoring for his return to coaching. Similarly, John Harbaugh inherited a very talented team from Brian Billick. Editor's Note: Personally, I'd like to see what an offensive genius like Billick could do with an elite QB like Joe. To his credit, Harbaugh eventually won a SB but it took 5 years. Note, if you will, the commonality of the Head Coaches that I consider to be among the elite current head coaches in the league. With the exception of Andy Reid, they all have "elite" QBs all of whom have been bested by our own elite QB. By the way, the longest tenured coaches on the list of 15 coaches are Belichek and Lewis with 11 and 10 years, respectively, for the same team. So, the clock is ticking for John Harbaugh before his message grows old and weary like me.   

 

Jason Garrett, "outstanding coach"... Andy Reid, "elite coach"... LOL LOL LOL.

[flynismo]

The truth is John Harbaugh isn't receiving enough blame! He is a good head coach and good head coaches are a dime a baker's dozen. What we need is a great coach! One might ask, who would that be? Much has been made on our blog about the word "elite" as it applies to QBs. What about the Head Coaches? Who do you consider "elite"? I would include 5 in that category. They are Sean Peyton, Mike McCarthy, Andy Reid, Bill Belichek and Tom Coughlin. Following them there's a second tier of ten or so outstanding HCs, including Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, Marvin Lewis, Chuck Pagano, Rex Ryan, Mike Shanahan, Marc Trestman, Mike Tomlin, Jason Garrett and Jeff Fisher. Conspicuously missing from my list of 15 head coaches are John Harbaugh, John Fox and Mike Smith. We can debate my list until Doom's Day (which I hope will come soon as in Elvis Dumerville) but what's the point? My point is that John is a good coach who may be one of the Top 16 coaches in the NFL right now. That would put him in good company in the top half of the class but would by no means put him in rare air. Some head coaches have been blessed with talented teams and some have inherited talented teams who went on to win a SB. For example, Jon Gruden inherited a talented team from Tony Dungy and won a SB the following year but I do not hear the phones ringing off the hook clamoring for his return to coaching. Similarly, John Harbaugh inherited a very talented team from Brian Billick. Editor's Note: Personally, I'd like to see what an offensive genius like Billick could do with an elite QB like Joe. To his credit, Harbaugh eventually won a SB but it took 5 years. Note, if you will, the commonality of the Head Coaches that I consider to be among the elite current head coaches in the league. With the exception of Andy Reid, they all have "elite" QBs all of whom have been bested by our own elite QB. By the way, the longest tenured coaches on the list of 15 coaches are Belichek and Lewis with 11 and 10 years, respectively, for the same team. So, the clock is ticking for John Harbaugh before his message grows old and weary like me.

Lol

[GrimCoconut]

Guess what?! I gotta fever and the only prescription is more John Harbaugh threads. Gotta have more John Harbaugh threads!

[gabefergy]

The truth is John Harbaugh isn't receiving enough blame! He is a good head coach and good head coaches are a dime a baker's dozen. What we need is a great coach! One might ask, who would that be? Much has been made on our blog about the word "elite" as it applies to QBs. What about the Head Coaches? Who do you consider "elite"? I would include 5 in that category. They are Sean Peyton, Mike McCarthy, Andy Reid, Bill Belichek and Tom Coughlin. Following them there's a second tier of ten or so outstanding HCs, including Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, Marvin Lewis, Chuck Pagano, Rex Ryan, Mike Shanahan, Marc Trestman, Mike Tomlin, Jason Garrett and Jeff Fisher. Conspicuously missing from my list of 15 head coaches are John Harbaugh, John Fox and Mike Smith. We can debate my list until Doom's Day (which I hope will come soon as in Elvis Dumerville) but what's the point? My point is that John is a good coach who may be one of the Top 16 coaches in the NFL right now. That would put him in good company in the top half of the class but would by no means put him in rare air. Some head coaches have been blessed with talented teams and some have inherited talented teams who went on to win a SB. For example, Jon Gruden inherited a talented team from Tony Dungy and won a SB the following year but I do not hear the phones ringing off the hook clamoring for his return to coaching. Similarly, John Harbaugh inherited a very talented team from Brian Billick. Editor's Note: Personally, I'd like to see what an offensive genius like Billick could do with an elite QB like Joe. To his credit, Harbaugh eventually won a SB but it took 5 years. Note, if you will, the commonality of the Head Coaches that I consider to be among the elite current head coaches in the league. With the exception of Andy Reid, they all have "elite" QBs all of whom have been bested by our own elite QB. By the way, the longest tenured coaches on the list of 15 coaches are Belichek and Lewis with 11 and 10 years, respectively, for the same team. So, the clock is ticking for John Harbaugh before his message grows old and weary like me.

Well since laughing at you isn't allowed, I just want to say this is absurd for so many different reasons.

[PurpleCityLights]

I burned my John Harbaugh Jersey yesterday....

[flynismo]

Well since laughing at you isn't allowed, I just want to say this is absurd for so many different reasons.

hmm...I laughed at him too. Is it strange that we are allowed to troll, but not laugh at the trolls?

 

And yes, Harbs gets too much blame at times.

[Wisdom]

He should take some blame after all, he is the head coach.  

[Brandon22]

 

Personally, I think Harbuagh has been receiving too much blame for the losses this year. It's easy to say that a bad call here or there can cost the team a win, but that ignores the fact that the team played for sixty minutes and there was more going on than just that one bad call. I personally think it's pretty ignorant to blame Harbaugh without looking at the game as a whole. 

What do you all think? Is Harbaugh to blame or is he receiving too much heat?

 

I think Harbaugh is not to lame but needs to fire some coaches during the offseason

[gabefergy]

I think Harbaugh is not to lame but needs to fire some coaches during the offseason

I wouldn't mind seeing Castillo go now tbh.

[Greatness]

No. When you onside kick the ball after you just scored with 9 minutes left, you deserve all the blame that comes your way. But I still like Harbaugh.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I'm curious as to what "other reasons" means. I ask this question with no alterior motive, except under the basis of sheer curiosity.

 

I am not happy he got rid of stud players like Boldin and Pollard, this was on him. They did nothing wrong to deserve the axe, except speak their mind. You can argue cap and age until the cows come home, and I would argue that they were part of the mutiny raising issue with the dumb stuff we were doing last year.

I would also argue that you could have found money to keep these guys easily, it didn't have to be an either or like they are jammming this smoke up our butts by saying we wouldn't be able to get guys  like Canty and Doom. We don't talk about the dumb decision to pay David Reed valuable cap money then cut him, money spent towards Boldin there, then for bringing in Huff to replace Pollard, then the money spent on bringing Leach back, more money towards Boldin. Look how great having Leach has been this year, a whole 2 yards per carry, and how many more wins could we have with Boldin and Pollard on the field - this raises the question about Harbaugh, can he effectively evaluate talent, and does he know how to effectively use that talent?

[SeaHawk]

I am not happy he got rid of stud players like Boldin and Pollard, this was on him. They did nothing wrong to deserve the axe, except speak their mind. You can argue cap and age until the cows come home, and I would argue that they were part of the mutiny raising issue with the dumb stuff we were doing last year.

I would also argue that you could have found money to keep these guys easily, it didn't have to be an either or like they are jammming this smoke up our butts by saying we wouldn't be able to get guys  like Canty and Doom. We don't talk about the dumb decision to pay David Reed valuable cap money then cut him, money spent towards Boldin there, then for bringing in Huff to replace Pollard, then the money spent on bringing Leach back, more money towards Boldin. Look how great having Leach has been this year, a whole 2 yards per carry, and how many more wins could we have with Boldin and Pollard on the field - this raises the question about Harbaugh, can he effectively evaluate talent, and does he know how to effectively use that talent?

 

Yes, but is the coach the only one at fault for talent evaluation?? I'm sure that this team uses a process that involves several decision makers when it comes to talent evaluation/who to resign/who to cut decisions.

[izvoodoo]

I am not happy he got rid of stud players like Boldin and Pollard, this was on him. They did nothing wrong to deserve the axe, except speak their mind. You can argue cap and age until the cows come home, and I would argue that they were part of the mutiny raising issue with the dumb stuff we were doing last year.

I would also argue that you could have found money to keep these guys easily, it didn't have to be an either or like they are jammming this smoke up our butts by saying we wouldn't be able to get guys  like Canty and Doom. We don't talk about the dumb decision to pay David Reed valuable cap money then cut him, money spent towards Boldin there, then for bringing in Huff to replace Pollard, then the money spent on bringing Leach back, more money towards Boldin. Look how great having Leach has been this year, a whole 2 yards per carry, and how many more wins could we have with Boldin and Pollard on the field - this raises the question about Harbaugh, can he effectively evaluate talent, and does he know how to effectively use that talent?

Boldin was a cap move by the front office.  And still probably a good one.


Look we don't know pollard, he's drawn a lot of flags and has been on a LOT of teams in the NFL.  We're not the only team to ship him out.  

He had two years in KC

Two years in Houston

Two years here.

And a one year deal in Tennessee.  We're not the only team to sail on that ship.