Who are the Top Sixteen Coaches in the NFL?

[easternshore97]

No John Fox?

[jimjim5]

1. Payton
2. Belichick
3. Coughlin
4. John harbaugh
5. Jeff fisher
6. Jim harbaugh
7. Mike tomlin
8. Andy Reid
9. Mark trestman
10. Chuck pagano

Up and coming. Future star coach. Urban meyer. You want to talk about getting the most out if players as well as being a brilliant mind. This is the guy. I continue to be of the opinion the ravens should pay him head coach money to be an o coordinator. I believe that is the trend we will see over the next ten years. Let's be ahead of the curve. There is no coaching salary cap.

 

How does Urban Meyer have anything to do with this topic? Dude ain't coached a down of football at the pro level as a head coach or an assistant!

 

Second, you don't mix a top head coach with a top head coach. You will get coaching philosophy conflicts.

[Static]

Welp, back to the old drawin' board. Most people around here realize he is great, and appreciate making the playoffs every year...very different from the Billick days.

 

I wasn't taking a shot at Harbuagh or anything. I just didn't know he was held in that high  of regard. 

[NFLfan123]

1. Payton
2. Belichick
3. Coughlin
4. John harbaugh
5. Jeff fisher
6. Jim harbaugh
7. Mike tomlin
8. Andy Reid
9. Mark trestman
10. Chuck pagano

Up and coming. Future star coach. Urban meyer. You want to talk about getting the most out if players as well as being a brilliant mind. This is the guy. I continue to be of the opinion the ravens should pay him head coach money to be an o coordinator. I believe that is the trend we will see over the next ten years. Let's be ahead of the curve. There is no coaching salary cap.

Coughlin at number 3? He once was, but since has been on the hot seat two years in a row!

[GrimCoconut]

1. Sean Payton, NO

2. Bill Belichick, NE

3. Mike McCarthy, GB

4. John Harbaugh, BAL

5. Mike Tomlin, PIT

6. Andy Reid, KC

7. Jim Harbaugh, SF

8. Pete Carroll, SEA

9. Chuck Pagano, IND

10. Marvin Lewis, CIN

11. Mike Smith, ATL

12. Jeff Fisher, STL

13. Tom Coughlin, NYG

14. Mike Shanahan, WAS

15. Joe Philbin, MIA

16. Mark Trestman, CHI

[NFLfan123]

No love for John Fox I see...

Understandable as Peyton is pretty much the Broncos HC

[easternshore97]

No love for John Fox I see...

Understandable as Peyton is pretty much the Broncos HC

Well look what the cat drug in the house!!!

[baroquenspirit]

John should not be up there until he wins with out the HOF D we had & With this horrible Offence he has created.....

Why don't you at least learn how to spell the word offenSe before you go telling us how worthless Harbaugh is. I find it crazy that I am a Steeler fan and I was defending your coach in the game thread last week. Go look at that thread...at least 20 different posters were saying what a horrible coach Harbaugh is. GET A CLUE PEOPLE. Look at the mans record. I feel about Harbaugh the same way you guys did about Cowher. I can't stand the guys antics...but is he a good coach? Heck ya. Wake up. 

[ravensdan]

Coughlin at number 3? He once was, but since has been on the hot seat two years in a row!

I am not the type to overreact to what we are seeing now vs the last decade together as a whole.

[The Raven]

John should not be up there until he wins with out the HOF D we had & With this horrible Offence he has created.....

 

He just did. Our "HOF D" last season was more like a Hall of Shame D.

[NFLfan123]

Well look what the cat drug in the house!!!

Lol

[easternshore97]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000268827/article/greg-schianos-regime-like-being-in-cuba-exbuc-says

 

I totally wanted to start a thread called "RAVENS SHOULD HIRE GREG SCHIANO". But I guess this a good enough forum to highlight his redeeming qualities

[easternshore97]

Oh and it looks like we won't have too much competition to worry about to get him in B'more

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9872198/fire-schiano-billboard-appears-tampa-bay-buccaneers-winless

[T3hRaven]

1. Bill Belichick, NE

2. Sean Payton, NO

3. Mike McCarthy, GB

4. Jim Harbaugh, SF

5. John Harbaugh, BAL

6. Mike Tomlin, PIT

7. Andy Reid, KC

8. Pete Carroll, SEA

9. Chuck Pagano, IND

10. Mark Trestman, CHI

11. Mike McCoy, SD

12. Rex Ryan, NYJ

13. Jeff Fisher, STL

14. John Fox, DEN

15. Mike Smith, ATL

16. Jason Garrett, DAL

 

That was harder than I thought it would be, there's a lot of coaches I don't like that I had to list.  I might be rating McCoy and Trestman too high, but I'm truly impressed with what they've been able to do with Rivers and Cutler respectively.  Trestman has gotten Cutler to play really good football a lot of the time and alter his mechanics some, which is really impressive.  Rex is a sideshow, but there are few guys who understand defense better than Rex.

[easternshore97]

 Rex is a sideshow, but there are few guys who understand defense better than Rex.

 

 

I didn't know anybody understood defense better than Rex...save for maybe a Dick LeBeau.

 

Nevermind how he gets what seems to be automatic buy in from all his players

[T3hRaven]

I didn't know anybody understood defense better than Rex...save for maybe a Dick LeBeau.

 

Nevermind how he gets what seems to be automatic buy in from all his players

 

Seriously though, the Jets defense is good because of him.  That isn't a Seattle defense where they line up in their base formation or nickel most of the time and make you beat press man coverage, essentially putting their athletes against yours.  Rex is all about scheming defense.  They lack talent, especially at safety and linebacker, but he's so good schematically that they're still productive.  Say what you will about him and his ridiculous off field stuff, but that guy can absolutely coach football and I think we've been overly hard on him for leaving us and being a joke off the field.

 

It's still really tough evaluating coaches after like the first 8.  There are aspects I like about some of them, like Rex and even a guy like Jim Schwartz on one side of the ball, but their overall team management is sad.  It's obviously Belichick, Payton, McCarthy, and the Harbaughs in whatever order you put them in the top 5 and then everyone else.

 

I kinda want to finish my list out, I don't know just how low I'd put a guy like Tom Coughlin who I have no respect for.  He might be the worst coach to ever win a Super Bowl, let alone two.  It'd be hard for anyone doing a full ranking not to put Greg Schiano at 32 though.

[ravensdan]

Seriously though, the Jets defense is good because of him. That isn't a Seattle defense where they line up in their base formation or nickel most of the time and make you beat press man coverage, essentially putting their athletes against yours. Rex is all about scheming defense. They lack talent, especially at safety and linebacker, but he's so good schematically that they're still productive. Say what you will about him and his ridiculous off field stuff, but that guy can absolutely coach football and I think we've been overly hard on him for leaving us and being a joke off the field.

It's still really tough evaluating coaches after like the first 8. There are aspects I like about some of them, like Rex and even a guy like Jim Schwartz on one side of the ball, but their overall team management is sad. It's obviously Belichick, Payton, McCarthy, and the Harbaughs in whatever order you put them in the top 5 and then everyone else.

I kinda want to finish my list out, I don't know just how low I'd put a guy like Tom Coughlin who I have no respect for. He might be the worst coach to ever win a Super Bowl, let alone two. It'd be hard for anyone doing a full ranking not to put Greg Schiano at 32 though.

Why do you have no respect for what coughlin's done? The giants have been consistently good most of his time there. And Eli has been mostly an erratic qb for the good majority of his career including their first Super Bowl win. A lot of the players he had earlier on onherited like tiki barber osi etc. were a bunch of whiny cry babies. I don't want to overreact to this current bad year. I will admit they can be a bit maddening with their inconsistency.

[easternshore97]

Take Jason Garrett off and add our man Harbaugh, the order can be debated all day.

 

1)Sean Peyton

2)Bill Belichek

3)Jim Harbaugh

4)Tom Coughlin

5)Pete Carroll

6)Rex Ryan

7)John Harbaugh

8)Mike Tomlin

9)Andy Reid

10)Mike McCarthy

11)Marvin Lewis

12)Mike Shanahan
13)Chuck Pagano
14)Jeff Fisher
15)Marc Trestman

16)Bruce Ariens

 

Torn between Payton and Belichek. Belichek would be the clear #1 if his ego didn't get in the way.

 

John Harbaugh will move up as he learns. But he will always be handcapped until he not at the mercy of his coordinators. He needs go to X's and O's school, 2013 style. Learning under a new, innovative OC would give a boost to him. John and the Ravens organization has learned together. The ship will be straightened. This year it may be too late.

 

I think Couglin is getting up there in age and effectiveness, but I will not take anything away from him now. He has won big with Mr. Inconsistent, Eli. He assembles balanced teams.

 

I think Rex Ryan will ascend up the ranks more and more. He has tempered his fire. His defensive mind is amazing, he knows how to win with nothing. He is now hampered by his organization. He was hampered by his own self-aggrandizing, but no more.

 

Marc Trestman is a winner. Smart man.

 

I put Reid and McCarthy lower because they can't solve their roster inbalances, regardless of how good of offensive minds they are. They should have won more from playing in weak divisions over the years. This is why Reid is rolling right now with a full cupboard in KC. He could never assemble a killer, balanced squad on his own. Besides, Reid's clock management is awful.

 

Shanahan could be lower, but the man can adjust an offensive style to fit personnel. His weakness is that he assembles soft squads, then asks them to do more than they are capable of. A'int won squat without John the Great.

 

Jim Harbaugh sucessfully learned how to combine his fire, knowledge, and eye as a player and progeny of a X and O coach to become an excellent, excellent winner and talent evaluator.

 

 

1. Payton
2. Belichick
3. Coughlin
4. John harbaugh
5. Jeff fisher
6. Jim harbaugh
7. Mike tomlin
8. Andy Reid
9. Mark trestman
10. Chuck pagano

Up and coming. Future star coach. Urban meyer. You want to talk about getting the most out if players as well as being a brilliant mind. This is the guy. I continue to be of the opinion the ravens should pay him head coach money to be an o coordinator. I believe that is the trend we will see over the next ten years. Let's be ahead of the curve. There is no coaching salary cap.

you guys both put Jim and John ahead of Mike McCarthy?

[jimjim5]

you guys both put Jim and John ahead of Mike McCarthy?

 

Yep. How many years of getting beat down in the playoffs has it taken McCarthy to realize that he needed to develop a run game???

 

Jim is a superior coach. Period.

[easternshore97]

Yep. How many years of getting beat down in the playoffs has it taken McCarthy to realize that he needed to develop a run game???

 

Jim is a superior coach. Period.

Ted Thompson is the GM though

Plus it's pretty impressive to win a Super Bowl w/o a run game

[jimjim5]

Ted Thompson is the GM though

Plus it's pretty impressive to win a Super Bowl w/o a run game

 

Even the blind mouse sometimes finds the cheese. It's also pretty impressive to win a Superbowl with no offense, so I guess Billick was top-notch too?

[T3hRaven]

Yep. How many years of getting beat down in the playoffs has it taken McCarthy to realize that he needed to develop a run game???

 

Jim is a superior coach. Period.

 

That's a common misconception.  Ryan Grant was always productive in Green Bay and McCarthy definitely wants to run the ball.  Poor OL play has hampered that the past few years, but he's traditionally had more commitment to the run game than I would have with Favre and Rodgers at QB.

[easternshore97]

Even the blind mouse sometimes finds the cheese. It's also pretty impressive to win a Superbowl with no offense, so I guess Billick was top-notch too?

What????

McCarthy's record since the super bowl winning season > Billick's since winning

And it's not really all that impressive to win a Superbowl with no offense...at least not to me. I grew up in the era when they said defense wins championships. In that same era, they also said the other parts of the blueprint were "a good running game" and "a great special teams"....all of which that Billick team had.

[The Raven]

McCarthy is easily a top five coach and I could see him being ranked over John. He's a great coach.

[voxendu864]

Yep. How many years of getting beat down in the playoffs has it taken McCarthy to realize that he needed to develop a run game???

 

Jim is a superior coach. Period.

That's interesting. Sean Peyton hasn't ever had a run game either, yet you placed him at #1 on the list?? His team is virtually the same as McCarthy's team. Same dominant QB. Neither have had consistently great defenses. When they both did they both won the Super Bowl. 

 

I don't know the facts, but I'd guess that both have gotten "beat down in the playoffs" probably same number of times yet don't have dominant run games.

[T3hRaven]

That's interesting. Sean Peyton hasn't ever had a run game either, yet you placed him at #1 on the list?? His team is virtually the same as McCarthy's team. Same dominant QB. Neither have had consistently great defenses. When they both did they both won the Super Bowl.

I don't know the facts, but I'd guess that both have gotten "beat down in the playoffs" probably same number of times yet don't have dominant run games.

Saints run the ball a lot, they just split carries between all their backs. If someone tells you Sean Payton isn't committed to the run they're completely wrong.

[T3hRaven]

McCarthy is easily a top five coach and I could see him being ranked over John. He's a great coach.

People forget how much work Rodgers needed coming out of college. McCarthy fixed his mechanics and made him the best QB in the league. That earns you a lot of clout in my book.

[jimjim5]

What????

McCarthy's record since the super bowl winning season > Billick's since winning

And it's not really all that impressive to win a Superbowl with no offense...at least not to me. I grew up in the era when they said defense wins championships. In that same era, they also said the other parts of the blueprint were "a good running game" and "a great special teams"....all of which that Billick team had.

 

What????

McCarthy's record since the super bowl winning season > Billick's since winning

And it's not really all that impressive to win a Superbowl with no offense...at least not to me. I grew up in the era when they said defense wins championships. In that same era, they also said the other parts of the blueprint were "a good running game" and "a great special teams"....all of which that Billick team had.

 

whole post = your opinion.

 

bolded: and yet still they both have one championship!