Trade Ray Rice... Hear me out for a second

[flynismo]

your wrong.


Thank you.

The phrase "top heavy" has been around for awhile. I have never heard your description of top heavy. - Ever

credit to the the Free Dictionary

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/top-heavy

top-heav·y (tphv)
adj. top-heav·i·er, top-heav·i·est
1. Likely to topple because of an uneven distribution of weight, with the majority being at the top.
2. Accounting Overcapitalized.
3. Having a disproportionately large number of administrators.

Right. Since you have never heard of it, clearly I am wrong. I would look this up for you, but I have better things to do than educate the masses at the moment.

[jimjim5]

Right. Since you have never heard of it, clearly I am wrong. I would look this up for you, but I have better things to do than educate the masses at the moment.

 

Sure... it's cool. I wasn't holding my breath waiting.

[Ty745]

i just think that ray rice should be a raven forever this is his brand ray rice hence RAYVEN he carried this brand at rough times just like RAY LEWIS

[The Raven]

i just think that ray rice should be a raven forever this is his brand ray rice hence RAYVEN he carried this brand at rough times just like RAY LEWIS

 

Ray Rice hasn't carried this brand since 2009. The run game was garbage in 2010, adequate in 2011 and 2012, and garbage again now. It's not all his fault, but since 09 and a few splash plays here and there (like 4th and 29), Rice has been a very average running back.

[RavenManiac#7]

Bad idea. With our OL, no running back is going to be successful. Ray needs to be utilized more catching the ball. And I'll tell you something else. I do Not think Pierce is an adequate #1 running back. He's a backup, at best, and I think we've got him over-rated for that even. The ONLY point you made that I like is acquiring the draft choices. This team really does need to do some rebuilding, so any additional draft choices we can get, ELSEWHERE, would be awesome. The OL needs a LOT of work, maybe a total do-over. We will get some extra choices coming our way already, but I don't know how high they are. Probably not very. Plenty of others have, also, already pointed out that we'd still have Ray's cap hit. I think if our OL could block, no one would be thinking about this because Ray may have peaked, but with blocking he would still be Plenty effective. It's the OL that sucks, not Ray.

[Poes Crows]

I did suggest trading Ray Rice to get Anquan Boldin back.

 

It was a rhetorical statement, which included the value of Boldin to the Ravens.

 

But this entire thread is invalid. Ray Rice is clearly playing hurt and this ends any  further attention to this incredulous thread.

[flynismo]

I did suggest trading Ray Rice to get Anquan Boldin back.

 

It was a rhetorical statement, which included the value of Boldin to the Ravens.

 

But this entire thread is invalid. Ray Rice is clearly playing hurt and this ends any  further attention to this incredulous thread.

What the....did we just agree on something?? It must mean my opinion is wrong and I need to change my stance lol

[PurpleCityLights]

Watch Ray Rice go into beast mode after the bye and make us all look stupid lol.

Dont think with this O-line any of our backs will have a good year. Sad thing is i had some much hope about our running game before the season started, now i just dont have anything good to say about it.....

[PurpleCityLights]

just before this Bye Week some of our players (mainly our oline players & backs) went to John and ask him to change things back the way they where before his homie took over the oline/running back calls. Sadly we all know John so most of those players will not be on this team next year ...

[Alexir]

Who the heck would trade for a running back with that kind of salary? Running backs are a dime a dozen. Running backs averaging 3 yards a carry can be found anywhere.

[T3hRaven]

Who the heck would trade for a running back with that kind of salary? Running backs are a dime a dozen. Running backs averaging 3 yards a carry can be found anywhere.

I think the money the other team would be on the hook for is rather small, if memory serves about 3/4 of Rice's contract is guaranteed. That's why trading him would give us like a $20 million cap hit.

[PalmBayRaven]

I really don't think Rice is worth the money we are paying him this year. He has done great things for us in the past "Hey Diddle, Diddle" but that was last year. Not playing well this year and the O line problems aren't helping him. I just feel that he is not worth the money now and this is the NFL(not for long) plus his fumbling issues this year and in the playoffs last year. I personally would like to see a bigger power back like Jamal Lewis or Priest Holmes type. Rice does not have many yards after first contact, not like he is carrying anybody. Great guy, good person and all that just not worth the 8million we are paying him this year. I doubt he rushes for 1,000 yards this year. Pierce is always hurt too. Good runner when he is healthy but has durability issues.

[Sizzlebshu]

Ok. Probably about 99.9% of you looked at the title of this post and thought, "Oh god not another moron saying something stupid because he thinks that just because we are 3-4 going into the bye our season is over.." Because I dont think that all..

 

But I do think tradeing Ray Rice could not only help us, but also make our team better. And here's why:

 

1) The average "shelf-life" for an RB is 5-6 years. Okay, Okay. Yes, you can blame our lack of productivity in the run game on bad offensive line play. Fine. But you cant doubt that Rice is getting to the point that his worth is going to decline as time goes on. Personally, I'd like some high draft picks for the future before he drops off any more..

 

2) The "Cam Cameron" effect. Trading Ray Rice, one of the "Franchise Players", would effectivley put the entire team on Red Alert. No one would feel safe, because no one would see this coming. In turn, I think people would feel less security,forcing them to play better.

 

3) Cap, Cap, Cap. Rice made 17 Millon last year and is schedule to make 8 million by the conclusion of the 2013 season. That means over the next 3 years, if he were to stay and barring any type of restructure, he would account for roughly another 15-16 million. For those of you who would like to retain both Ngata and Suggs next year, this would help a LOT.

 

4) Depth. This is the least trade-friendly part of this post. Behind Rice, we have Bernard Pierce. Behind Pierce we have nothing. Not saying we couldnt pick up a free agent for the vet minimum but Pierce could definitley fill Rice's shoes, at least based off of this season. A Few current free agent running backs include: Michael Turner, Benie Wells, Cedric Benson. 

 

5) October 29th, 4pm. This is this season's trade deadline. It is quickly approaching. And with us now on our bye week, the time to do this is NOW.

 

6) Suitable Partners. In no way would it be acceptable to trade with in divsion. And if a trade could happen outside of the conference it would be even better. There is a flurry of NFC teams that definitley could be looking to get a running back before the deadline. Number one on that list is he Dallas Cowboys. With Murray injured, and NFL gameday reporting that the team is not sold on him, Dallas is a possible spot. Additionally you have Tampa Bay; now that Martin is done for the season, the New York Giants; yes their season is pretty much over but they could easily be a spot for him, or even Atlanta with steven Jackson still out and the falcons TRYING to not give up on the season. Obviously, in my opinion Dallas is much more likely than any of the latter but, those are just a few possible suitors.

 

In conclusion, I really think moving Rice could be extremely beneficial to our team. And no matter what happens over the course of the rest of the season, even if we lose out, I will always LOVE my team, just like the rest of you guys.

GO RAVENS.

Requesting Ban (and this applies to anyone who makes one of these threads in the future)

[Puntit]

Couple of things:
1. It's the O-Line. We have a center who is learning on the job, a guard who is playing with a bad back, and up to recently had McKinnie, who, although good in the playoffs was a regular season train wreck last year and again this year. And. Ne offensive line coach and playbook that isn't working well with the personnel we have. Yanda, once touted as our best player, hasn't played well. That makes it tough to have a run game. If it was just rice and not the line, you would have expected pierce to have some success, but he's not moving the ball either. No holes and bad play calling means even AP would be getting 2 yards a carry. If we can fix this, or work around it, Rice will be a 100 yard a game back again.
2. The shelf life of a running back usually is short when you are talking about teams with a single big name RB who touches the ball 25 times a game, and doesn't have a FB in front of him, taking some of the brunt. Rice has always been spelled by other talented RBs throughout his professional career, as he was part of a 3 headed monster, and over the years, had MaGahee and Williams and Pierce to take some carries. And he's had good FBs clearing the way most of his career. So he's been relatively injury free and probably has more left in the tank than most veteran backs. It's the guys who are bell cows from year one that only last five years.
3. No point trading someone when you have bonuses creating dead cap money. There isn't cap value in trading Rice. He'd have to be completely done to let him go.
4. You aren't going to get good value trading someone who is having an off year. The time to trade them is after having a great year, one you don't expect to replicate. That's what Hershel Walker trades are all about. Rice is not getting good yardage this year so he's be lucky to pull more than a last day draft pick right now. And for that value it's simply worth more to the Ravns to see if he can turn it around.
5. It's silly to point to Ray Lewis and Ed Reed as examples of people who hit the weight room and got slow. These are guys who had extraordinarily long careers in te NFL and to some extent milked out a few extra years by fine tuning themselves to be stronger one year, leaner and faster the next. They didn't get slow because of the gym, they got slow because they hit middle age. Rice is playing at a position where being durable matters as much a speed, and FWIW, putting on just a few pounds of muscle usually doesn't make you appreciably slower -- and rice certainly hasn't bulked up to the point that he's traded speed for girth.
6. Ozzie doesn't get emotional about players. When it's time, he's pretty good about dumping people. Most recently, he dumped Heap and Mason, fan favorites, after very good years. He set a value above which he wouldn't keep Bolden or Leach or Reed. If he thought Rice was close to the wall, we'd already be grooming an understudy for Pierce. Instead, we are grooming one for Leach, and really dont have anyone coming up behind Rice and Pierce. The man who has kept the Ravens as a competitive run heavy team throughout most of it's existence isn't planning for Rices imminent departure, so that should probably tell you something. The castle hasn't written Rice off yet so you probably shouldn't either. When he's close to the end Ozzie will make the hard call.

[SuRihtanil]

If they trade any star player I think it will be Ngata... Rice is still a good weapon, but he can't do anything when he has SS/LBs coming after him in the backfield.

[Puntit]

If they trade any star player I think it will be Ngata... Rice is still a good weapon, but he can't do anything when he has SS/LBs coming after him in the backfield.

Again, you won't get value trying to trade someone who is playing poorly. Ngata coming off a good year would command great value but Ngata so far this year wouldn't get you enough value to make it worth the Ravens while. You need to buy low sell high, not try to sell low. For the same reason the ravens might be willing to unload him, no other team is going to overpay for him. They are better off waiting too see if he can turn it around. The only guy who another team might grossly overpay for, Herschel Walker style, right now is Suggs, and obviously that make no sense for the ravens.

[Purple Punishment]

Should have traded Rice after the Super Bowl for multiple picks and picked up Eddie Lacy. God he reminds me of the old school bruiser back that didn't need to run in tandem with anyone

[PurpleCityLights]

Trade Joe Flacco ...........wait, hear me out for a second ...

[SuRihtanil]

Again, you won't get value trying to trade someone who is playing poorly. Ngata coming off a good year would command great value but Ngata so far this year wouldn't get you enough value to make it worth the Ravens while. You need to buy low sell high, not try to sell low. For the same reason the ravens might be willing to unload him, no other team is going to overpay for him. They are better off waiting too see if he can turn it around. The only guy who another team might grossly overpay for, Herschel Walker style, right now is Suggs, and obviously that make no sense for the ravens.

Ngata still has alot of value...  worse players have been traded for 3rd round picks then Id like to remember around the NFL.

[Ty745]

Ray Rice hasn't carried this brand since 2009. The run game was garbage in 2010, adequate in 2011 and 2012, and garbage again now. It's not all his fault, but since 09 and a few splash plays here and there (like 4th and 29), Rice has been a very average running back.

first i want u to see the big picture first since 2009 havent we gone to the playoffs and last year when rice did hey diddle dille ray rice up the middle that took us into a win if u say ray rice adequate then evry other rb adequate because i dont see no running back break yards and recordeds every game its nearly every year u act like it easy to be a RB in the NFL patience is the virtue

[The Raven]

first i want u to see the big picture first since 2009 havent we gone to the playoffs and last year when rice did hey diddle dille ray rice up the middle that took us into a win if u say ray rice adequate then evry other rb adequate because i dont see no running back break yards and recordeds every game its nearly every year u act like it easy to be a RB in the NFL patience is the virtue

 

Watch Rice next Sunday and tell me he's anything more than adequate. He is not elite anymore, sorry.

[PeRK82]

Ok. Probably about 99.9% of you looked at the title of this post and thought, "Oh god not another moron saying something stupid because he thinks that just because we are 3-4 going into the bye our season is over.." Because I dont think that all..

 

But I do think tradeing Ray Rice could not only help us, but also make our team better. And here's why:

 

1) The average "shelf-life" for an RB is 5-6 years. Okay, Okay. Yes, you can blame our lack of productivity in the run game on bad offensive line play. Fine. But you cant doubt that Rice is getting to the point that his worth is going to decline as time goes on. Personally, I'd like some high draft picks for the future before he drops off any more..

 

2) The "Cam Cameron" effect. Trading Ray Rice, one of the "Franchise Players", would effectivley put the entire team on Red Alert. No one would feel safe, because no one would see this coming. In turn, I think people would feel less security,forcing them to play better.

 

3) Cap, Cap, Cap. Rice made 17 Millon last year and is schedule to make 8 million by the conclusion of the 2013 season. That means over the next 3 years, if he were to stay and barring any type of restructure, he would account for roughly another 15-16 million. For those of you who would like to retain both Ngata and Suggs next year, this would help a LOT.

 

4) Depth. This is the least trade-friendly part of this post. Behind Rice, we have Bernard Pierce. Behind Pierce we have nothing. Not saying we couldnt pick up a free agent for the vet minimum but Pierce could definitley fill Rice's shoes, at least based off of this season. A Few current free agent running backs include: Michael Turner, Benie Wells, Cedric Benson. 

 

5) October 29th, 4pm. This is this season's trade deadline. It is quickly approaching. And with us now on our bye week, the time to do this is NOW.

 

6) Suitable Partners. In no way would it be acceptable to trade with in divsion. And if a trade could happen outside of the conference it would be even better. There is a flurry of NFC teams that definitley could be looking to get a running back before the deadline. Number one on that list is he Dallas Cowboys. With Murray injured, and NFL gameday reporting that the team is not sold on him, Dallas is a possible spot. Additionally you have Tampa Bay; now that Martin is done for the season, the New York Giants; yes their season is pretty much over but they could easily be a spot for him, or even Atlanta with steven Jackson still out and the falcons TRYING to not give up on the season. Obviously, in my opinion Dallas is much more likely than any of the latter but, those are just a few possible suitors.

 

In conclusion, I really think moving Rice could be extremely beneficial to our team. And no matter what happens over the course of the rest of the season, even if we lose out, I will always LOVE my team, just like the rest of you guys.

GO RAVENS.

 

 

Sir, ive been very open about trading RICE. 

 

Problem is, i dont think any team would take him.  I've said it many times, if he isnt catching the ball ( which he hasnt) he is completely worthless.

The T.D.s that he dose have, isnt because of him. Its because our WR corp were able to get down field and just miss scoring themselves.

[allballs]

the guru is back. the ray rice thingy, old news to me, i said this seasons ago, people didnt like it because they were caught up in hype and hope, but now they see. he wasn't worth the money. ravens should have stayed with the franchise tag , but they gave in and gave 17000000 front loaded, and now he's failing to carry the load.  look at how these 4,5, 6th 7th round picks are just gashing defenses for like the league minimum... all i remember about rice is the fumble vs indy and the fumble vs pit. (playoff games)

[rayrayven]

Rice is the main reason Ravens won Super Bowl. Without the ridiculous play of the year "Diddle" play the Ravens would have watched the SB at home on TV. Only a few guys can make a play like that and Pierce, MacGahee etc couldn't do it. Right now Barry Sanders, Emett Smith and Adrian Peterson couldn't run behind that stupid scheme with bad OL. Last year the less educated fans were clamoring for Pierce and now he leads the league with Rice in lowest ypc average. I for one would love to see Rice on another team because I'm tired of the Ravens stupid offensive coaching.

[FastEddie]

I cant wait to come back here on Monday and see all the Flacco/RR haters praise these guys.

 

....love hyprotical bandwagonerfans.